Hi everyone
I’m a gun owner, I have pistols and a shotgun. I’ve shot rifles and really like the feel of 7.62mm, so I’m leaning towards getting a cheap SKS I could work on. My main purpose would be general range shooting and possible self-defense if stuff gets a lot worse.
I know the actual smart option would be getting a standard AR-15 because they’re so available, ammo is everywhere, and every gunsmith in America knows how to maintain them. But would it be worth it to save up for something like an AK if I’d prefer 7.62?
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Is it worth to save for an AK? I don’t think so from a practical standpoint, they are unfortunately more expensive than ARs by a lot for the same capability.
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Just get an AR-15, don’t overthink it. You’ll be spending more money on something that’s less useful overall. Do you actually prefer 7.62 or do you like how it feels to shoot a soviet gun? You can customize your AR-15 to whatever level of kick/ergonomics that you want.
Yeah, single action army revolvers look hella cool and feel nice to shoot but just get a glock.
Also you can get an ar15 chambered in 7.62 if you really like the round (I really like the round)
I don’t like the recoil of 7.62mm. My shoulder becomes bruised after a dedicated target session with it. It’s like 60% as bad as a 12G shotgun. It’s also really loud and the ammo costs a lot unless you get cheap steelcore surplus that you can’t shoot indoors.
An AR-15 is the smart option if you can only have one gun. It’s point-and-click though, so accurate out to 100m that it isn’t fun to shoot. The ammo is also pricey enough that you spend a lot of money to practice with it.
The rifle I like shooting the most is a 10/22. It’s still lethal in self-defense, but it’s cheap and fun to shoot on a range. It’s quiet and I can fire 500 super cheap rounds through it without the recoil hurting. With the takedown models and backpacker stock, it’s a really versatile survival rifle that fits in a small daypack. When taking someone shooting for the first time, it’s the gun I feel comfortable training them on because anything heavier risks them dropping it in a panic. It fits 10 rounds and is mechanically reliable over long shooting sessions.
edit: Also at the ranges I’d expect to fire at in self-defense, within 30m~, I’m more effective with a 9mm handgun than an AR-15. The smaller gun and lower recoil allow me to get more accurate shots off in the same amount of time, especially with any kind of movement. I think it’s the most versatile and well-supported rifle, but the size means I would at least choose a 9mm carbine over it if not a handgun if shit hit the fan. Concealment and indoor/close range utility will get you further than the mid-long range shooting it’s good at.
10/22s are SO FUCKING GOOD
Socialize guns, a 10/22 in every cradle.
You’re fine either way, but have you considered an AR-10? It’s .308
which is real close to the 7.62.7.62 soviet is an intermediate cartridge closer to 5.56 than .308.
I see… you’re totally right, and I learned something today.
And more readily available
The standard answer is get a Glock 9mm then get an ar15 556. If you can only afford one gun, it’s a Glock.
The answer is always compatibility with your comrades and the availability of ammunition, magazines.
If part of your use case is self defense if things get worse. You are not getting out of this without friends. You are not self defensing without friends. And your friends should be able to hand you a Glock mag and have you be functional.
1000%, real gunfights with rifles are a team sport.
while I post a lot of guns, I personally am not American and live in a country without much civilian gun ownership, so I’m afraid I can’t be of much help on this
anyway
If you’re open to 7.62 NATO, you could get a .308 AR-10/AR-308. They are quite lovely.
AR in .223 Wylde [5.56 + .223 blend chambering] is by far the most practical rifle in terms of anything for Americans. There will always be ammo and mags and parts and everything.
30/30 Lever action to be cool as fuck
Then you can be a badass space horse with a gun like Thirty-Thirty from Bravestarr
If its mainly for range shooting get whatever makes you feel good as you master it.
They’ll all put a hole in a motherfucker if it comes to that.
I prefer an AK to an SKS. They shoot softer in my experience. If you can get a Polish one (WBP or FB Radom) or Zastava , that’s what I like AK-wise. I used to be a “get an AR if you’re serious” guy, but now I think follow your joy.
There’s anecdotes of troops saying the 7.62x39 AKs had better stopping power than their 5.56 rifles. However, in my experience if you want better accuracy, modularity, a bit more customization ergo-wise, go for an AR-15. I’m not a combat guy but AR’s are better suited for practical shooting competitions than AKs, the AKs struggle against distant small targets. My budget (well I’ve been upgrading it) AR with the right ammo can get just about 1-MOA groups, while my AKs are like 6 MOA. I’ve seen better AK accuracy but it’s not something you can just expect from any AK.
You could get a stock imported AK for a thousand bucks and enjoy it, or for about that much money you could build a pretty great AR with a BCM upper and bolt carrier group, a nice trigger like a LaRue MBT2S, a good budget LPVO like a Primary Arms 1-6x Nova, and whatever pistol grip and stock strikes your fancy.
For fun on a casual range day and feeling cool, I’d pick the AK. For practical concerns I’ll probably pick the AR platform.
Also, .300 Blackout AR is another option, you can get the terminal ballistics of an AK in an AR platform.
I think .300 Blackout is a good suggestion too. It’s a 7.62mm bullet you can shoot with AR15 hardware. You just need the proper barrel
You can shoot it through a shorter barrel and it’s easier to suppress with subsonic ammo too. Plus you can play gun Lego with AR15 accessories if you’re into that
Downside is, ammo is more expensive than .223/5.56 but not drastically so. And you could always get a 5.56 upper down the road if you want to switch gears without having to buy a whole new gun.
I’ve been considering a 300 shorty upper for shooting suppressed, but I’m having difficulty justifying it vs an even smaller PCC.
I guess swapping to supers and ammo cost would be the deciding factor. I saw what 300 subs cost and stuck with 9.
There’s anecdotes of troops saying the 7.62x39 AKs had better stopping power than their 5.56 rifles.
Speed is a variable, mass is a constant. And twice the mass is a lot of constant
i just got a ruger mini 14 5.56 and it rules i love it.
This is the one I’ve been looking at now actually
AR is far and away the most practical choice in the burger reich
That said I fucking love my AK
If you’re concerned about self defense, particularly from violent gangs of chuds, get an AR. Cover the bases that matter most first before you start looking at a preference gun. Availability of compatable ammunition, magazines, and spare parts are paramount when it comes to these things. And sadly we don’t live in former Soviet block countries. You can get a new S&W, PSA, or Ruger AR that works beautifully for $4-500 new.
Something to bear in mind and sorry if this is so basic it’s insulting but not all 7.62 is the same. AK won’t fire 7.62 nato
If you don’t plan to shoot through branches and brush in the forest or have a surplus of 7.62, go with 5.56
AK’s and SKS’s are cool, but a gun is a tool
Or walls tbf
