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time for the talk again
I left during the first Trump presidency. Best decision given the circumstances.
Many people said that they would move to Canada. I wonder how many actually did.
Since you’ve already moved, you should have some interesting stories to share. Care to share?
🙋♂️ I left in 2025. It’s great! Walkable and bikeable cities, affordable groceries, my health insurance actually pays for stuff, there’s public transit, the food is safer, and not absolutely every I do funnels into only 12 companies.
I moved my family. When my kid needs higher education, it won’t cost more than our home. I can send him out in the streets without worrying he’ll be hit by a truck going 80. Active shooter or intruder drills aren’t a phenomenon in his school.
I only wish we could have done it sooner.
Where did you move?
Netherlands
Nice! Welkom! Have fun being there, visit us sometime (Germany).
I was watching a show called Pernille the other week, takes place in Norway, and I thought her youngest daughter was 14/15. She was 12 and walking all over the place. That freedom is just something the States doesnt have. my Son is 12, if I let him walk to the store (crossing a busy 45mph+ road) the cops could get called on me.
My kid is 11 and gets to bike to school, or walk to music lessons or the store whenever. It’s pretty cool
The promised land. I’ve lived there before, and I plan on moving back some day. It’s amazing.
Nunya
Nunya, Nigeria?
Where they started Nunya Business, which is obscenely wealthy. However, there’s a fantastic opportunity where they need an enterprising foreigner like yourself to agree to handle a bank transfer processing fee and hold on to all their assets before the government takes it all and. . .
Ah, an African prince, then I would’ve caught on! 🤪
Wish I was rich enough to do the same.
You don’t need a ton of money to do so if you’re unskilled labor, and basically only a plane ticket if you’re skilled labor. Contact people in perspective countries and ask about it. Japan is great if you want to start a small business, especially if it brings in USD. Vietnam is great if you want to be a white face for an english school, China is great if you have a degree in teaching, I’ve a couple friends who went to Germany (not from the US tho) for nursing and IDK what else.
Why would you go from one dictatorship to another lol
If you meant China or Vietnam, a dictatorship of the working class is different from a dictatorship of capital.
If you meant Japan, yeah things aren’t looking great, but at least LDP is opposing the even-further-right parties?
If you meant Germany, after 5 years or so of working, you qualify for citizenship and can go elsewhere in the EU, which should be enough time to get out before AfD takes over.
Not just a plane ticket. You need to take into account visas (can’t just fly in as a tourist and start working), employer sponsorships, temporary accommodation and living expenses until you get paid, and other kinds of expenses.
And don’t forget that you still have to pay US income taxes on income earned overseas! 🙄
Only if you report your income 😉
If you spend 330 days in non-US countries and pay tax somewhere else, you qualify for the FEITE on the first 130K+housing.
Not really almost everyone has reciprocal tax agreements. You have to file but you deduct all the taxes you’ve paid the local country.
Depends on exactly what you’re doing. If you’re starting a business in Japan for example, it’s fine for the duration of your tourist visa, then you have to leave and apply for a business visa, if you’re doing it in China, or Vietnam, you have to reenter on a business visa. It’s very common to arrange business sponsorships in person in Vietnam on a tourist visa then reenter. IDK about China. Temporary accommodation and living expenses can be extremely cheap compared to the US if you don’t mind sleeping in a hostel and eating street food.
But yes I didn’t bother to include non-monetary things you’d need to set up, such as employer sponsorships.
If I somehow found a way to leave, it certainly wouldn’t be to Japan. They’re just starting the same rise to fascism.
That’s putting it lightly. Japan never really relaxed in regards to things like blatant racism and nationalism. In the wake of WW2, the Japanese government invested heavily in the arts to try and change their public image. And it largely worked. Overseas, the country is mostly known for anime and zany fashion.
But domestically, the country has always been extremely conservative and resistant to change. At ~99% natural Japanese, their population is one of the most homogenous in the world. And that ~1% of foreigners encompasses the entirety of tourism, foreign workers, etc… Japan has a saying that roughly translates to “the nail that sticks out gets hammered down,” and the culture definitely embodies that. The culture is largely defined by conformity and tradition, meaning even small deviations from societal expectations get heavily scrutinized.
This pressure to conform also means that Japan is extremely racist towards basically anyone who isn’t Japanese. If given the choice when hiring, Japanese companies will choose a Japanese applicant over a foreigner 100% of the time, even if the foreigner is just as qualified. That’s why the OP mentioned starting your own business if you plan on moving there. As a foreigner, you have basically no chance of getting hired by an existing company. As ann immigrant, your only real opportunities for employment will be in a stereotypically “foreign” job, (like teaching English), via international transfer, (like an American working for Toyota, and transferring to a Japanese branch), or via starting your own business.
And that racism has always been present, but it has recently started to percolate into outright jingoism. Their politics have always been a mess, but recent elections have swung things even farther towards fascism. They’re constitutionally prohibited from building an army, (it was one of the concessions they made after WW2, and they’re only allowed to keep a small national self-defense force), but they have politicians murmuring about building an army anyways.
None of this is inaccurate.
Though I see quite a few Napali immigrants working at 711 and some Chinese workers in more rural communities.
Fair.
I wish I could as well. I’d be out of here in a heartbeat. I’m already single, live alone, work remotely in the tech sector. It would be nothing for me to pick up and leave. It’s just not that easy to be able to move to a different country.
much easier in your circumstance, than it would be for so many of us.
I remember last time I checked, my score was only like 350 which is far below what you need to be considered for permanent residency in Canada. Canada would be my country of choice in this situation.
they count your credit score!?
No, they have a system of ranking you where they weigh all kinds of aspects of your life. Do you know French? Do you have relatives in Canada? Have you ever worked for anybody in Canada? Did you go to school in Canada? Etc. Based on these answers you get a score. I only scored a 350. I think the minimum is like 600. The highest is 1200.
I did exactly that, there’s tons of resources for digital nomads. AMA?
Boat?
If things don’t turn around soon, I don’t see any other option.
Can confirm.
I don’t even know where I would go at this point if I was picking up stakes.
It’s a little bit easier to make the decision (given the opportunity) when your country wants to genocide you and your friends.
I made the decision November 2024. No regrets, just a lot of tears and sweat
If you don’t mind sharing: where to?
If you do mind, I definitely understand.
Welcome to the world!
Still no housing
Hmm, and where are they leaving to? Who will welcone USA citizens?
Is it maga or non-maga who is leaving?
So many questions…
On a conference call last month hosted by Expatsi, a relocation company, almost 400 Americans signed up to learn how to move to Albania. The former Stalinist state offers a special visa allowing U.S. citizens to live and work there, with no tax on foreign income for a year, no questions asked.
I guess that should count as welcoming.
Read the article?
Crazy talk.
It’s primarily non-maga, with a heavy dose of scientists, engineers, and doctors. There’s no reason for maga to leave, this is what they’ve wanted their whole lives
If magas are leaving, they’re going to Russia to flee “wokeness” and serving a “glorious purpose” as meat cushions trained to waste Ukrainian ammunition.
This is too insane to make up.
I felt very welcome in China and Vietnam. Japanese people tend to be a little colder, but theres a huge us immigrant community here for a reason.
My comment may have sounded negative, and it wasn’t intended.
I’m glad for the positive response /tone.
We need more positive news 👍😀
Rats leaving a sinking ship
The word “rat” has such negative connotations. They are actually intelligent, curious and resourceful little critters.
Incidentally, the same thing happened with Russia. When Putin started tightening his grip around the throat of his people, many people decided to go. Among them, were many smart and educated people who could find a job elsewhere.
Absolutely. So the financially able and smart leave a sinking ship. Rats.
More like passengers recognizing there’s another ship that offers more to life as long as you’re ok with lower salary and higher taxes. Life seems to be better and it is.
Yeah well… You gotta be able to afford to leave…
Username does not completely check out in this case.
But I’m a little mad. Not no-mad. ;)
Atlantis west is not sinking…
