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That’s just gives Fluxer more time to prepare for the switch 👍
Delays
not cancels, rolls back, stops or retracts. Delay is just doing something later than expected. This will not bring people back or change their minds.
Absolutely
Even if it was “cancel” that would just be a slightly longer delay.
Delaying in hopes that people forget
But a true easy to use discord alternative is still not there.
I’m in the process of migrating my community to Stoat (formerly Revolt). It’s janky as all balls because new platform, but it’s going well.
wdym there’s been good alternatives to Discord for decades.
Fluxer exists and is a near 1:1 drop in replacement.
It’s current only real problem is the servers are overloaded. But it has a self host option to bypass that very problem.
A bigger problem than a technical alternative is convincing all of your friends to switch.
There are multiple other programs that fill a similar niche, but I don’t know I’ll be able to get everyone I know to change over.
I definitely will discontinue using Discord if they deploy this surveillance state bullshit, but a little bit sad over the number of gaming buddies I’ll lose contact with in the process.
It will take a while for a full on replacement to be viable. People need move to this kind of stuff with friends and small groups for now. As time goes on, the infrastructure and community momentum will build out and make moving feasible for larger groups, though. That’s to say, if you’ve got a massive Discord server with 10 thousand people, 100 different channels, and complex bots, you can’t simply knee jerk move it overnight without destroying the community. Number one, the community has to want to move. A switch of that nature starts with people using other options alongside Discord. When there’s enough people using something else, there needs to be a good plan laid out for how to build out the new server and make the switch seamless for the users.
I think it looks promising, but it’s still very early days. Hopefully they can gain more traction.
Waiting for a C&D from Discord. I’m avoiding on that premise alone.
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https://fluxer.app/ looks promising
There is a bunch of stuff that can become an alternative, if the users will come.
The matrix protocol is actually easy to use, it just takes a bit of effort to get into. Once you’re in, then it’s as easy as Discord, I haven’t had any issues and it’s been a great learning experience. https://joinmatrix.org/
This is bullshit. I’m sorry. I’ve tried signing up on like three servers with Element Classic and Element X and all of them fail. Maybe I’ve just gotten incredibly unlucky with the instances I’ve picked, but it’s been a much tougher time than joining Lemmy was.
I have an old matrix.org account I can use, but it’s asking me to get something from a currently logged in session, which I don’t have any. I saved all the files and phrases it asked me to when I joined originally, but it isn’t enough. There’s a possibility I missed one, but the fact that I do have a file and phrase saved in my password manager is evidence I was saving what it asked me to.
If worst comes to worst I can just use matrix.org, but I know that Matrix’s “federated but de facto centralized” problem is much worse than Lemmy’s (lemmy.world is big but not a majority, but I think a majority of people use matrix.org) and I’m trying to help fix that.
It’s just frustrating. I want Matrix to be the Discord replacement but it’s a pain in the ass currently. And Discord is so many things to do many people. It’s voice for some, streaming for some, and for a lot it’s the fact that it’s DMs, chats, servers, voice, and streaming all in one and with a very large user base. Matrix, to my knowledge, is only chats, servers (or more properly rooms in Matrix, since they have real servers), and DMs. Back when I used it more frequently it wasn’t super active. Especially for really niche activities. And don’t even get me started on the state of NSFW matrix, I went down that rabbit hole and one of the top results was MAP stuff (pedophiles). There’s also just a huge amount of furry stuff, which isn’t inherently a problem, but when it seems like there’s dozens of NSFW furry rooms and a top result on search is talking about which servers and rooms are sympathetic to pedophiles and the folks most likely to be leaving Discord are the ones who were doing NSFW things because that’s what’s actually age restricted I can’t really evangelize Matrix as a good replacement.
This sort of turned into more of a rant than I intended. It’s just frustrating.
there are “spaces” now which is a collection of rooms, which is a pretty good analogue for discord “servers”
I may not have been clear, I just meant that “Discord servers” are not “servers” in the way the word is actually used (meaning a computer) and that Matrix instances actually are real “servers”. But yeah, spaces are like Discord servers.
TeamSpeak 6 and Stoat? Didn’t use the second one.
ts6 has poor Linux support currently.
Hopefully it’s improved soon.
It hasn’t improved in two years. It’s not going to. Teamspeak developers are slower than Wayland’s.
Alright, stoat or revolt or anyone else, you’ve got 6 months. I’ll move my group over in 6 months and donate to the best solution. Thanks everyone for pushing back against discord, to the indie devs who are working on alternatives, and to the self-hosting community for making it possible for me to even plan to move off of discord.
And why not to give Matrix a chance? Stoat (named Revolt before), Fluxer or anything else that is centralised is going to end up doing the same.
Fluxer isn’t entirely centralized. It has self hosting support.
It’s quasi centralized pretty much the same as matrix.
You can just opt to not use the central server for hosting services.
What?
I don’t think you know what centralization/decentralization means.
On matrix, you scan spin up a server/instance and communicate with any other matrix server/instance. On Fluxer, if you self-host, and your friend also self-hosts, your instance/server cannot communicate with your friend’s instance/server. You would have to create an account on your friend’s instance/server and vice-versa. You would also, probably, have to be running two clients in order to chat in both servers/instances.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking too, stoat, fluxer, whatever, don’t care which, but 6 months now that there is momentum gives me hope they can smooth out the UX
So this, but Discord.
This is SO GOOD
They’re delaying it by six months. They’re banking on this blowing over by then. Fuck discord.
Let’s hope this gives competitors more time to get things setup well.
Was about to say this, how nice of discord to give people time to migrate to another service
The thing that’s insane to me is that most of the alternatives have screen sharing with working audio on the back burner, while I can tell you that the first one to get it working will be my go to. Hopefully with this extra cushion, one of them can get it working it’s the only thing discord has over its competitors other than general stability related things.
Fluxer has screen sharing with audio.
Screen sharing is my deal breaker/maker. If they don’t have it I can’t switch. Hopefully they can get something going in 6 months
Fluxer has screen sharing.
This is my take. Fluxer and Root are the top two for my group, but they need more time in the oven(hell, everything does).
So far I’ve uninstalled discord on my devices and I’m using it via the web browser only in a container tab, until my group switches over to something else.
Can’t fucking wait to delete my account.
Does screen sharing works on the web browser? I might do discord in a container in a Firefox fork if it does work well.
Matrix seems pretty mature, and has screen sharing with audio?
Same thing happened in 2021-ish when WhatsApp changed their policy that all your information would be shared with Facebook. Outrage pushed it back six months, and then they did it anyway.
this is the second time they have “delayed” the age verification
I cancelled my nitro when it was announced they were doing this shady crap and it’s staying cancelled until there is credible assurances they won’t be handing over personal data to the like so palantir and other related goons.
The only way you should trust them, or anyone else, is if they don’t collect your personal data at all. There is absolutely no way I’d trust any website or service with information like what they want. All of these laws are explicitly designed to create a digital profile of every person so they can track what you do. It can’t be done ethically because it isn’t supposed to be done ethically.
Short of regular 3rd party audits, there’s nothing they can do that would assure they’re handling your data with privacy and care. And even that’s a stretch.
Just like WhatsApp did when they introduced the TOS change for WhatsApp for Business
Nice, I been struggling getting group chats working in Matrix. I don’t have to rush now.
I’d recommend creating a private room and inviting people to it instead. You can optionally enable encryption as well, but keep in mind it has perfect forward secrecy, so people won’t be able to view messages from before they joined.
Don’t enable encryption in group chats unless you want to know what meme unable to decrypt message is about
Was trying to get voice group chats. I’m getting my ass kicked and my set up hasn’t worked yet and keeps getting bigger with parts I’m not sure I need or work.
This is fantastic news! Not because I actually give a shit about sticking with Discord after getting slapped in the face with this insulting age verification nonsense, but because Discord has basically no competition and 6 months will be plenty of time for a real contender to emerge in time for them to shoot themselves in the foot again.
I don’t think Discord actually appreciates how much market share is going to slip away from them in the next 6 months. They were probably better off going through with their clandestine spying plan now while some people might be complacent enough to just comply and provide their ID to get handed over to the fucking Feds.
As if backlash matters to them. There’s 200+ million active daily users. They’re betting on the majority not giving a fuck, and they are right.
I try and try again to convince my friends to leave discord, but they don’t care. Not sure what it will take for them to change.
Seriously, I already deleted my discord account once before, because their terms of service already were claiming that all private messages and channel messages are being collected and sold to advertisers and data collection groups. I only joined back because I missed my friends. But now?? I could give a fuck, I already spun up Sharkord, and it runs well. In 6 months time, it will likely be good enough to completely ditch discord, so fuck it. My privacy matters more than friends who don’t use their damn brains.
They don’t even need the majority to not give a fuck. Just the idiots that pay for nitro
Too late biiiiiiiiiitch we already had our exodus.
Where’d we go though? Which place with the streaming and chatting?
XMPP with their myriad of gnu-ified clients.
Which client is the multi-platform one with message history and streaming video?
Movim. Though due to how recent it was implemented, you must use a chromium based browser to stream the application’s audio too.
Gajim is one. Dino is another (I think). You just need to make sure the client has Jingle compatability (xmpp plugin) for streaming video. A lot let you connect to multiple.xmpp servers
For someone not in, this comments sounds like a meme xD
If I jingle my dino I can connect to what?
No way it gets through “I can’t be arsed” of normies xD
I gave in and just made a fluxer account. I’ll just self-host that when they relaunch the docs.
dino all dayyyyyy baybayyyyy
cheogram on Android
The only problem I see are my non-techie friends aren’t used to the skype style calling anymore. They want a voice channel that is persistent for dropping in and out
Matrix, can easily do the above.
Except audio on the screen share, it is my biggest issue with matrix currently.
Why? It works flawlessly for me. Are you self hosting? Are you on Wayland?
I’ve been using matrix.org, it doesn’t work with the desktop app on windows, & I use the element-desktop package from the arch extra repo, which also doesn’t work. I do use Wayland, as I am unable to run an x11 de for various reasons
Yeah then it’s a Wayland issue. Idk why Wayland is being pushed so hard by various distros despite it still not being ready.
I setup a Haven (Github) self-hosted instance and am slowly dragging friends over as the dev pumps out features. All the important stuff is already available, still more on the way. Also has things like E2E, which I don’t care about for my community/server, but it is nice to have.
How the heck have I not heard of this one yet? It already looks promising - I see video, chat, channel organization…
It’s one main dev, another doing android, and supporters (I myself have been firing off ideas, suggestions, and issue tickets, and trying to help other users). An electron desktop program is in the works too.
I’ve been using Matrix for about a decade. Federated, encrypted chats and rooms (optional), supports video, self hostable, fully open source.
I have too. It’s… Really not ready for primetime, based on present-day experiences watching rooms lurch into view (and I don’t even think it’s possible to search for them on Android). Has video at least gotten better?
“Too late” isn’t even relevant anyway, they’re still doing it, so everyone should still be leaving.
It’s nice in that it gives the various Discord competitors a longer period to work on getting their software spiffed up.
I’d argue its completely relevant as they are trying to save face here. Anyone who has somehow made it to 2026 without a hostile relationship to corporations (most red and blue team in America) will probably take this as a sign to come back for now.
Agreed; Discord is trying to lull people into a false sense of security as a means of convincing them to stay, in the same manner that Reddit gave limited API access to apps like RedReader to stem the tide of users leaving for platforms like Lemmy.
Beyond age verification, if Discord is scanning a user’s messaging history to determine what their age is, one can only imagine all the other data valuable to data brokers that they are extracting from it too.
Oh, cool, I definitely trust them again. 🙄
Delay all you want bitch i’m already gone.
As much I agree with the idea of abandoning Discord - honestly, fuck 'em - I just don’t know how I or many other people could practically make the full switch… While I might be able to convince a few of my close friends to go with me to whatever new platform comes about, there’s just no way any larger communities would be able to uproot and leave without losing 90%+ of their members, and that’s only if the owners of those communities are even willing to leave in the first place. Inertia is a powerful thing, and the reality of the situation is that the vast majority of Discord users will not be convinced to leave over this.
I want to defend my privacy, and I want to tell these corporate ghouls to shove it, but at the same time, I don’t want to become a digital hermit. Having to decide between protecting my privacy and cutting myself off from so many valued social connections and communities feels like an impossible choice.
I know I’m not saying anything particularly new or actionable here, I’m just… tired. I’m tired of having to flee from platform after platform into increasingly smaller and more insular corners of the internet to escape the endless cycle of enshittification. I’m tired of what the internet has become, where the only places left where you can exist without being manipulated and exploited by corporate interests are a handful of small, decentralized platforms that are becoming increasingly cut off from the internet at large. I’m just tired of this shit, man.
On this note, I lost contact with a huge number of friends when I deleted my facebook ~15 years ago. Similar for livejournal. I handed out my email address and phone number before I walked away, but people have not used those to contact me at all.
I think people don’t want to put any effort into socialisation. Getting a “feed” is so easy, it feels like you’re connecting with people. You see the comments and likes. But everyone is lonely because they’re not actively interacting, just passively consuming.
I feel like this article was written for you, based on your last paragraph (the author definitely relates).
If they come, someone will build it
I just signed up with Fluxer last night and chat with one of my old Discord friends. Fluxer is still very much in beta and under development, but seems to be a pretty promising open source clone of Discord.
Oh man, when they get native mobile apps, I’m looking to switch my Mattermost server to Fluxer. I’ve had good luck with Mattermost, but its not truly OSS and its been moving features over to paid enterprise accounts so the time is soon.
As much as I like a lot of the discord alternatives out there I fear they will all eventually face the same fate. Decentralised or someone wrapping the signal protocol into a discord like client is probably the only way to avoid this again.
Fluxer is going to be federated, it’s on their roadmap.
Fluxer plans federation in the future, and its AGPL licensed.
However, it’s still in beta, and the backend’s ability to scale is currently unproven.
For something that’s more proven, we have Movim, which is already federated with the open standard XMPP protocol.
So when all your friends want to screenshare on somewhere else, they install Movim and then sign up on…
And then when they jump into chats, will they be able to search the room history and post memes (images)?
Yep :D
It has full searchable room history, can upload memes (gifs from either links like giphy or directly uploaded), images, video files (playable within the chat), and audio messages.
There’s also a built in paint-like thing that lets you draw directly into the chat, or annotate documents, pictures, or memes.
Well I mean Fluxer is open source and have self hosting options on their roadmap. 🤷♂️
I’m still hopeful about https://veilid.com/ but I suspect that’s a long way out; the protocol is still in development stages, let alone implementations of it.
Is fluxer as network f’ed up as Discord without the minimum democratic standard of human readable domains, or is it the slavery of dozens of undocumented raw IP addresses?
What do you mean with that in regards to Discord?
Honestly I have no idea yet, as I only heard of it and signed up last night. I am optimistic though…
Still never using again
