Claudia Sheinbaum is my president.

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    I remember when the NGCJ or whatever they called themselves rolled up with slick social media videos of guys in gear in truck convoys. Recruitment propaganda for their war with another cartel. It was around the time ISIS was producing similar clips.

    Wonder if their respective CIA connections ever compared notes at the Langley pizza parties

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        Yes. A lot of these cartel leaders are heavily tied with the US/CIA and right-wing parties, I can’t imagine the US being happy with this lol. I still wish that the goverment focused more on social programs and education, the two things that actually stop the cartels from just recruiting new people.

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            Cartels and mafiosos are immoral criminals who would “work” with anyone in an unprincipled fashion, anyone who thinks they just have sympathies for “the left” is missing the big picture. They don’t really care about the ideology, they care about power, access to sell their product, and control. If that involves working with the CIA, they’ll work with the CIA. If the CIA starts turning against them , they’ll turn against the CIA. If it involves working with corrupt state officials, the cartel will work with them. If the state turns against the cartels, they’ll turn against the state and start killing members of the Mexican military (which is already happening). Criminal non state organisations like the cartels are inherently unprincipled and opportunistic in matters like this.

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              They have a fundamentally comprador character too, because the CIA/state department/special operations cohort uses them for plausible deniability and to launder money. You could say the function of the so-called “war on drugs” and this new focus on “narco-terrorism” only exist to create cartels and mafiosos, who can then be used to further imperial ambitions.

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              They don’t really care about the ideology, they care about power, access to sell their product, and control. If that involves working with the CIA, they’ll work with the CIA. If the CIA starts turning against them , they’ll turn against the CIA.

              Manuel Noriega was just like that, he changed sides many times during the Cold War, only for the US to cut all ties and invade Panama under some vague cause of reestablishing democracy.

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          I think the US actually probably pressured the Mexican government to take action here, Trump’s administration has a very different policy to cartels (non state armed actors in CIA language) than previous presidents. Mexico’s government has also been afraid to take heavy handed action against the cartels like this because of the cycle of violence it unleashes with innocent civilians caught in the crossfire (which we are seeing now, it’s a very valid fear given how powerful the cartels have gotten). I don’t doubt that the CIA did drug and gun running in the past involving the cartels, but a “decapitation” operation like this against a cartel leader suggests US co-operation, intelligence sharing, etc.

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            I think the US actually probably pressured the Mexican government to take action here, Trump’s administration has a very different policy to cartels (non state armed actors in CIA language) than previous presidents.

            I think Trump is a lot like Bush with Calderón (who fucked up the entire situation during the 2000s), but like 200% more aggressive.

            Mexico’s government has also been afraid to take heavy handed action against the cartels like this because of the cycle of violence it unleashes with innocent civilians caught in the crossfire (which we are seeing now, it’s a very valid fear given how powerful the cartels have gotten).

            Yes.

            I don’t doubt that the CIA did drug and gun running in the past involving the cartels, but a “decapitation” operation like this against a cartel leader suggests US co-operation, intelligence sharing, etc.

            The DEA and FBI have been “cooperating” and sharing information with Latin American police and military forces since at least the late 1980s. It is usually the CIA that has deep ties to the cartels and helps them organize with weapons and information (of course, there are DEA and FBI agents who also work with the cartels, but this is usually less noticeable than in the case of the CIA). I believe that the United States probably provided the Mexican government with the information and the “blessing” to kill this cartel leader (also as a show of force by the United States to show that they “still control” Mexico, and how much Trump is “against” drugs).

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      While it’s important to note that drugs have always won the War on Drugs, by a similar token there’s just no way out of a failed state that doesn’t involve military action. What is wrongheaded with the ‘kill the bad guys, solve crime’ paradigm is that it hollows out society from within, creating parallel economies within the purview of criminal syndicates. These quasi state orgs are firmly within the control of capitalist oligarchies in places like LatAm as well as their international, often US aligned, contacts - creating incentives that cut through the entire political system. It just doesn’t take that many people to run a crime ring, killing the current soldiers of crime does nothing about the real leaders in the political and financial sectors and Mexico is in a particularly advanced state when it comes to this sort of crisis.

      The question isn’t wether the state ‘kills the bad guy’, but with what purpose. Because if some kingpin is in charge of terrozing tens if not hundreds of thousands and extracting rent from them via the drug trade as well as real estate and monopolizing violence then, yeah, they have to be killed. Problem is, why are they being killed. Are they and their subordinates being killed to satiate the public’s need for revenge under the confines of a liberal democracy that has been captured by comprador and criminal interests? Or is it more than just an offering, a part of a larger programme by which the state re-estabilishes territorial control and guarantees public services? Do you just kill drug dealers because you actually think you can solve the issue of drugs, or do you move in to deal with a crime syndicate that got into the habit of closing health clinics, internet services and schools because it wants to make money by taking those sectors over?