The reason the “radicals” (insert other or more categories or demographics here as per the discussion at hand; students, muslims, progressives etc) didn’t vote for the democrats is because the democrats weren’t “vocal enough” in their “support of gaza.”

They were actively hostile toward gaza.

What support of gaza are you motherfuckers talking about? You couldn’t stop arming Israel! Doing nothing would have been better than giving bombs to Israel. Doing nothing still wouldn’t have been “support for gaza” you motherfuckers. A thousand thousand times have I read their chiding bullshit over the decades. “Politics is not a zero sum game” blah dee fucking blah. “I can care about more than one thing at once” “the left is too focused on ideological purity” etc etc etc.

I guess this is their new ass-covering step in their eternal Dance of Denying Culpability. Look forward to reading it as things continue. I know I fucking am.

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    Supporting Israel is so assumed as the default position that anything short of Ben Givr is “support of Gaza”

    The farthest any American politician has ever gone is “not supporting Israel” and that’s super rare. “Support of Gaza” would mean bombing Tel Aviv and giving weapons to Hamas, something literally no American politician has ever called for.

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    the left is too focused on ideological purity

    I see this a lot and I have to wonder about it. If there isn’t some hard line that defines the beliefs of a group, then the group is purely aesthetic and has no real ideology. Like that post a few days ago about libs getting mad at the PSL for requiring members to read theory or some shit, like incredibly low bars to participation.

    The left is absolutely not focused on ideological purity. It’s why for every 10 leftists there’s 12 competing ideological schisms brewing. It’s just that you can’t be a leftist and also support the status quo.

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      the left is too focused on ideological purity

      I see this a lot and I have to wonder about it.

      Don’t wonder. It’s just a euphemism to pave over that these people are bombing Gaza. You’ll notice they never mention which ideology they are complaining about. They want to blame anybody but themselves for their disastrous campaign.

      Remember that obama-medal had to be dragged by his ears to support gay marriage.

      EDIT: I’ve talked about this before, but Gaza showed the whole ass of the Democratic party

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      Gaza became a symbol for the lack of substance among the Democrats and their manifest policy failures. The Democrats’ response to the horror their own constituents have expressed at what we are doing in Gaza produced a revulsion that alienated many voters.

      Gaza was the most visible issue that created the frustration and disillusionment with the Democrats that suppressed turnout in support of Kamala Harris, but it was not the only one. Democrats’ draconian stance on immigration was another factor. The minimization of the struggles that people have making ends meet from month to month, where Democrats kept telling those people that they were too stupid to understand how good the economy really was and burying the reality that it was still very bad for the majority of Americans was likely the single biggest factor.

      Gaza became the symbol for all of these failures. In no regard was Harris’s unwillingness to listen to her own constituents clearer. The 77% of Democrats who want a ceasefire also know the United States can get one by demanding it from Israel on pain of stopping the arms flow. Harris’s gaslighting on this issue, claiming that they were “working for a ceasefire” when it is quite clear they are unwilling to take any substantive action toward one, highlighted her shallowness on other issues.

      Gaza, and the Palestinian cause in general, were like getting the sunglasses from “They Live” glasses-off glasses-on War nerds can tally up all the battle statistics we want, but Hamas’ campaign has completely upended the world order in Palestine’s favor and decisively against isntreal.

      Palestine threw every other campaign signal in sharp relief, and especially highlighted the disconnect between voters and party officials. While I agree with the article that Palestine wasn’t singularly the cause of the Democratic rout, it underestimates the symbolic nature that unifies and stitches so many other disparate symbols. The symbolic nature of Palestine competed with the Democrat’s own manufactured symbology, and the depth of the Palestine symbol’s network exposed the shallowness of, and thus undermined, the Democratic symbology. It’s hard to imagine such a unifying force that runs counter to the manufactured symbology.

      To put it concretely, the Democrats tried to pull a Baudrillard Disneyland. Democrats, as a Hyperreality, tried to make you believe they were Reality by comparing themselves to the Disneyland of Trumpism. But the Real of Palestine shattered this symbolic network (*sniff*) by precisely exposing both the Democrats’ Unreality and Equivalence with its supposed opposite in Trump (*sniff*) zizek

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      Me shoveling handfuls of sandy beach sewage into the glass furnace, making a huge stinky molten mess: “You woke glassblowers are too focused on chemical purity.”