I guess he’s also admitting to his desire of never having any new elections? As Canada would get like over 50 seats in the electoral college…

That’s fair. There’s still sensible people in the USA.

I was a little unclear before, the set of people who think this makes sense is entirely within the set of people in the USA. Which doesn’t and shouldn’t imply that all people in the USA believe that this makes sense.

I apologize if there was any implication of lumping all Americans into the same pool of stupidity. That’s an insult to you and I am sorry.

Have a good day neighbor.

I literally thought it was another one of his stupid speaking mistakes, like when he suggested bleach/UV inside the body (he was just repeating some stuff he didn’t understand badly, and iirc he didn’t keep harping on it). Kinda surprised to see he was serious about it, it makes no sense to me either.

Canada would never be state. A territory of unending insurgency at best, until the US killed every last one of us.

From a trade/foreign policy perspective, no, it makes no sense. From a long term growth of the USA perspective, it makes a lot of sense. As the Earth heats up, the equator will become less habitable, and the poles will become more habitable. Canada and Greenland have a low population density because of their northern climate, they have resources that are un-extracted because it is not economical to pay someone to live on-site. Every year it gets warmer, and that land becomes more valuable.

For the record, I’m not against Canada becoming a new State, but I am against using military or economic strong-arming to sway that decision.

Same. Like, damn, I’m a queer leftist woman who takes an SSRI. This administration wants me in a camp for sure and I would happily change nationalities if it were possible. I’m rooting for the Canadians (and the rest of the world that isn’t insane), except PP and his ilk.

Am American, can confirm.

It’s true. It feels like the only place on the planet that rewards being that ignorant and hateful lout at the party who thinks compassion is some type of gay sex.

Better than being American?

I went through my ancestry last week with the hope I’d have something to grant me citizenship elsewhere. My dad’s side went back 6 generations and I still didn’t find anyone outside the US. My mother’s was 5 generations before I hit Austria and Germany.

Do Canadians not do that? I’d have thought so considering Canada has had waves of settlers much like the US; but I’ve not met many Canadians, so I wouldn’t know.

The dipshits that voted for him didn’t take him seriously either, they just wanted to fuck over the left, who they’ve been told is a enemy and threat for the last 25 years on Fox and AM radio. The other group that didn’t take him seriously were the ones who sat out or protest voted.

Also, forgetting Russia for a moment, the ultra rich love this shit. They have enough real money to buy up all the smaller businesses. They love economic downturns like this, and it’s possible that Trump is simply a fanboy simp who is voluntarily taking Russian advice and example. It’s also important to say this because it means the stupid, zero-memory US citizens need to understand that it will continue even with Trump gone and even if Russia disappears.

He’s not doing this because of blackmail, he’s doing this because he wants to.

I think there’s a plan to entertain the US with some conflict while Russia does some shit so it can’t intervene later on. Their only true opposition as far as tech goes is the US army so it makes sense to disable it. I also have a feeling part of this is an attempt to normalize the invasion of other countries. And what better way to accomplish it all than to push the US out of NATO so the former Soviet countries are easy pickings for Russia.

It’s like watching the Kremlin call the shots at this point. What Trump is doing makes no sense without thinking What Would Putin Do?

He can’t attack a nato member

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Im pretty sure Putin did shit.

They voted for this. So I don’t have any sympathy for them saying Trump doesn’t represent them. He does. They go on and on about how they’re the greatest country in the world, and how their government is ‘of the people, by the people, for the people’. They’re more responsible for the actions of their government than any other nation is for theirs.

And the American mentality is that their pride will never let them admit if they’re wrong. So even though they may know that talks of annexation and taking away our country are beyond offensive, they can’t say it. They have to say that it’s for some greater good that no one else can see, even if they know it’s BS. But the problem is, short of NATO putting troops in our country to help fight off an invasion, I don’t know what would stop the US from just trying to take whatever they want in the name of ‘freedom’. And the funny thing is, on the Cato Human Freedom Index, which measures a person’s person, economic and civil freedom, we rank higher than the US. We’re #11, and the US, the leader of the free world, is #17. So how are they the ‘freest nation’ in the world? Why would we downgrade ourselves by joining them? We wouldn’t. No one would. Unless it was by force.

I’ve said this before, and I meant it then; the mentality of the US is that they’re basically a r***** telling their victim that if they lay down and let them (USA) have their way with them, they won’t get hurt. THAT’s the US right now. They’re our neighbours, but they’re NOT our friends. And they probably never were. They just finished hurting other nations, and decided to turn their attention to us.

As an American who has avoided joining the American military because I’ve been afraid of dying in a war, I’m almost leaning into wanting to join the Canadian military at this point. As I’m much less afraid of dying now that I’m nigh suicidal and Canadian sovereignty sounds like a viable cause to actually fight for.

Remember kids, we’re one of the reasons the Geneva Conventions exist. A surrendering soldier is a dead one.

Previous presidents have famously committed acts of war without the consent of congress. Including assassinations and drone strikes on civilians.

We are a large, rugged country with huge areas to hide in full of large rugged people with guns.

Okay, but, so? We’re still occupied. People still died. Survivors are still traumatized. If it gets to the point where we’re living in caves on the escarpment and doing guerilla raids on Hamilton, WE HAVE ALREADY FUCKING LOST EVERYTHING OF IMPORTANCE. Get guns, fine, but I’ll be filling out my application for refugee status.

Canada is doing some stuff as well. here is the official govt release about the move.

I’m no economist but here’s the best explanations

I read so far about what Canada is doing with this move (post-Carney’s arrival I might add).

A lot of people in the US will say they don’t support it, and will speak out against it, but when the forces deploy, the American people won’t do anything to stop it. They won’t stage walkouts, or take actions that will cripple their economy at home in protest, because it will cause them inconvenience and pain.

They’ll just say they’re against it, that they’re morally outraged, and will offer ‘thoughts and prayers’. Nothing more.

The problem is this harmful and terrifying idea of annexing Canada will remain even after trump is gone. Vance is a young dude, him or whoever is the successor will advance Trunps policies and priorities, after the next president even. Canada needs to shift away from the US long term.

Historically, the US has never acquired territory by force

Fucking What

Was your historian a rabid white supremacist who pretends none of the Indian Wars happened, much less the Mexican or Spanish-American Wars?

Yes, it’s bad. We’d lose. Maybe they’d lose too, but if so it’s going to involve Taliban-like timelines and Afghanistan-like living conditions that whole time.

I also want him to try, mostly because I think that may finally be the straw that gets someone to successfully snipe him. All it will take is some pissed off hosier with better aim than the last guy.

What about all the native land, and the Mexican-American war?

Ya I want him to try as well. I am so fucking sick of republicans and magats dragging down the entire human race. Can you imagine what the world would be like if bush didn’t steal the election from al gore? No war in the middle east, probably would have resulted is way better relations between countries all around the world. Would have resulted in more prosperity for everyone. Would have been a massive coordinated effort to fight climate change. They’d probably have healthcare by now. To this day republicans have been hell bent on destroying the world. I hope they come to Canada. Wiping them out would be the highest possible purpose my life could ever serve. Even if I could only take out one of those magat freaks with me, it would be worth it. Lets fucking go, ill be ready.

Even if he fails, our quality of life would significantly decrease. Not really wanting to become an insurgent and get my brains blown out by a delta force operator or something. Not saying we should back down in any case, but the prospect of an invasion like that is scary af.

Yes, because innocent people will die.

I dunno, is it bad that you’ve brainwashed yourself and are now actively radicalizing yourself? It’s a judgement call.

Liberal American here, for a long time conservatives here have miscalculated how well armed many of us are. The anti-gun crowd (not to be confused with gun control) are just the vocal minority on the issue, giving the impression that liberals hate guns. My gun safe begs to differ, and I own more guns than any conservative I know.

I GOT A GUN TO SO I CAN HUNT ANIMALS BECAUSE LEARNING TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND SHARING FOOD IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET THROUGH THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

Home and/or personal defense are perfectly valid reasons for gun ownership. I don’t want to use my gun on a person but I absolutely purchased it because I think I may have to someday.