I stayed with XP until 7. I stayed with 7 until 10. I’ll probably stay with 10 until the next Windows. Assuming it actually is decent again, and not just even shittier than 11.
The other half is running linux, right?
Right?
I had to install Win 11 on my work computer and it is still total dogshit. One example - The search from the Start menu never works so you have to pin every app to start or go through the whole app list to find the one you want. Its been like this for a year at least. Things, like my speakers, just randomly stop working and I have to restart to get them to work again.
I won’t upgrade til they let me use throttlestop with virtualization enabled.
Yeah well Windows 11 fucking sucks. What do they expect? Maybe if you have to do all kinds of shady shit to get people to accept the newest version of your shitty product you should take a good look at yourself and evaluate why that is.
Windows 11 is great with some tweaks and has by-far the best HDR implementation of any OS, bar none. I’m getting so sick and tired of people who don’t even use it hating on it constantly. Y’all have done this with every new Windows release except 7 and 98SE. Win11 is a great companion to Arch. Get over yourselves already.
HDR implementation
I don’t even know what that is. I use Windows 11 at work every day and it fucking sucks. It has been non stop annoyances since I got upgraded from 10. I don’t have any problems on my windows 10 pc at home.
High Dynamic Range, tl;dr it’s better graphics, but ultimately inconsequential to most users
Thanks. And yeah don’t really give a shit about graphics when I’m dealing with constant usability problems. I guess if all you care about is playing video games that would be more of a concern but my eyes are too shitty to appreciate high end graphics anyway.
You seriously don’t know what HDR is? Really? Then we have nothing further to discuss.
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Truly, it really isn’t that bad after about 10 minutes of tweaking. For all complaining I see in the PCMR spaces, you’d think it needed much more. Should it have to be done? Probably not. Am I glad it can be and there’s plenty of tools (really only 2 needed) to make it look feel and behave like Win10? Yes. Is the Win10 EoL the same as darling XP’s? Also yes, which makes much of this even funnier to me.
I’m surprised 0Patch hasn’t been mentioned in this thread. There’s really no reason to stop using Windows 10 after EOL if you can still get security updates.
MS can pry Windows 10 out of my cold, dead hands. I’ll switch to Linux before Win11 and I don’t particularly want to do that either.
Make the switch, even if it’s on an old laptop first just to try it out. About 90% of my Steam library runs without any extra effort needed, a few games needed tweaks that I found in the steam message boards, and 5 or 10 just refused to work at all.
I have a laptop that I dual boot on, I’ll have to try a few games on it. The biggest thing for me is if MusicBee will work, because I’ve been using it for almost ten years and want to keep using it.
I’m not familiar with it but you might get lucky and it will work with Wine. It took me years before I was comfortable dropping Windows but I am a lot less anxious now about having an update randomly brick my PC or wipe out my settings/tweaks.
Good luck!
Unfortunately all the games I play require anti cheat and they all have dont support linux because of that
That sucks. About 5 years ago I put ideology one peg above entertainment and just avoid games that use Windows only anti-cheat, I don’t get to play the biggest releases but there are literally thousands of other games that work perfectly and are just as fun.
If I were you I would keep my Windows gaming machine as a single function device. Play games, get all the MS updates and 3rd party spyware, don’t let it touch anything you want to keep private or safe.
Yea once w10 reaches eol I’m gone. If my games decide to fix linux by then, then all is well. If not, oh well.
Most anticheats work on linux these days unless its a kernel level anticheat… and personally i wouldnt want that garbage on any OS.
To be honest when october comes and w10 is at eol I’ll probably just move to linux and stop playing those games altogether
At this point I am not even sure Microsoft thinks it is better to run important windows software natively on windows rather than in a much more stable, reliable virtual environment inside of Linux or WINE.
Both are going to crash occasionally (we are talking about windows software after all) but when the part running Windows software in Linux crashes it isn’t anywhere as likely to sink the whole boat and crash the rest of the operating system and potentially lose a bunch of stuff.
I think clearly what Microsoft is gunning for longterm is to eat their operating system with a bunch of cloud crap that doesn’t even really run locally for the most part.
Which is why we need to burn this to the ground so there are consequences for Microsoft for betraying users this thoroughly and completely.
Do you part, give friendly helpful linux advice to newbies, share resources and have some fun with it!
For anything that HAS to work and only runs on Windows (eat a dick Siemens) I put it in a VM with no network connection. A physical machine that gets regular updates is too unstable to rely on.
When ever I’m teaching a new guy I try to get them on board with using VMs at at minimum for reliability and a VM under Linux if they are interested.
You are correct Microsoft is selling a branded Thin Client Mini PC, around $400. It doesn’t store anything local it is all cloud app, onedrive access stuff. Their Azure is Linux so its just a “Windows” Box for gaining access to Linux in the cloud. Lol
Pathetic, and the plan will backfire on even their contracts with corporations as any moment now all the data they are storing will be stolen in a truly massive data breach and Microsoft won’t even be able to do damage control effectively because they purposefully removed, broke and obsifucated local and secure workflows and focused everything on a subscription based model where everything including practically your social security number is entrusted to their shitty servers.
I think there is a good chance the EU could regulate on this.
What Microsoft thinks they can do in a situation like this is the same thing they have always done, hamfistedly and halfassedly walk back anti-consumer/anti-user practices until people calm down, rinse repeat.
Hilariously though this manuever relies on Microsoft not having any rivals in a seriously threatening position to flank when Microsoft begins to enter an enshittified vulnerability, which as much as they seem to be clueless about it (please keep being clueless M$), Linux is.
With
end of lifethe year of the Linux desktop fast approaching.Well I don’t know… it will end in October. Time surely doesn’t fly that fast…
Eh I just installed 10 in a VM to do my taxes
People, I’ve already mentioned that Windows 10 LTSC is out there until 2027. Additionally, Windows 11 non-TPM is available out in the 'bay.
I know it’s still early but how do I grab LTSC? As far as I know my mobo has a home edition license and it defaults to it whenever I reinstall
What is non-TPM? My main resistance to 11 is just enshittification / advert bullshit plus whatever the screenshotting privacy nightmare garbage was as well.
TPM is the Trusted Platform Module, a security chip in computers that can be used to verify the integrity of the boot process. Windows 11 requires a TPM 2.0 chip, which many older computers do not have. Windows 11 non-TPM is a pirated version with this requirement hacked out.
I was able to upgrade to Windows 11 on my dinosaur desktop (at least 10 years old) without any issues. Been able to keep it updated, too, for at least the last 2 years.
There are ways to bypass certain hardware restrictions, and I’m sure plenty of how-tos are still available.
No need to sweat it.
Some people just don’t want to switch. I find windows 10 is still better than windows 11. I only updated on my gaming PC because it automatic updated.
Oh, I hear you. I resisted for a very long time, but once I started using Windows 11, I upgraded all my Windows computers to it. It’s far more stable, in my opinion.
But… micro$oft has gone backwards as these iterations are pushed out. More ads, more spyware, more bloatware. Even if I want to keep using windows, they’ll force me out of it once my limit has been reached.
W11 has some nice features that match GNOME and KDE desktops, but it also some terrible buggy stuff going on. And the Office Ai.exe and relates AI junk bogs down the system so badly. Thankfully I’m able to move everything to Linux for home use.
I installed bazzite recently and trying it out. Working well with game scope on nvidia card. But still has some graphical glitches. It’s almost there. Only issue I have now is I just got into PCVR and Linux support is lacking.
Let me introduce you to our lord and saviour, tux
And for those of us who heavily use VR applications, pirated 10 LTSC. Once that runs out though, I’m definitely gonna be switching to Linux.
Hey I’m picking up VR currently. Can I get some recommended apps from you?
I’m probably not the best to ask. Most of my VR use these days is in Resonite. Great for building stuff and hanging out, but a lot of people focus hard on the building side.
That being said, one of my first games was Windlands. Nowadays it reeks of early VR weirdness, but grappling and swinging around gave me super stable VR legs. Might still be worth trying if your controllers support it.
Ohhh I misunderstood. I thought you meant actual applications but you just meant vr apps in general. Well, thank you for the recommendations either way!
Buddy, some of them still use windows 7😅
really? how can i use win 7 right now?, are there any issues using win 7 rn?
Well as long as you don’t connect to the internet
I still use it on my living room PC to this day. No issues so far (steam still works fine as well).
Just like anything make sure you have backups and watch your accounts.
I’m certain there would be a pile of unpatched vulnerabilities with windows 7.
I would not recommend it.
oh okay, make sense… linux then… thank you sir
pardon my english
8.1 was slightly better
Gross
They’re right though. 8.1 had the best of both 7 and 10, with none of the bloat. Only reason why I stopped using it was because I was forced to because literally no one supported it. Which is a damn shame cause it was considerably better than 7. Just got a bad rep because of 8.0.
Naw.
Mostly I just hate the start screen :P
i’ll upgrade to some baby Linux distro once the end of life hits, i am lazy
(i’d also need to set up a dual boot as i’m cursed to need Adobe apps and those are famously allergic to Linux)
I switched to endeavour-os last September.
Don’t do dual boot. Windows will purposefully fuck up your MBR so Linux disappears every update and it’s a bitch to fix.
Run that shit in a VM. It’s 2025 you will get good performance.
so whats the solution about adobe product,
are there any alternatives to use on linux?
of course there are alternatives, but they are all compromises, here’s a couple of reasons why:
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Adobe aggressively patents every new feature they come up with, so every other software has to reinvent the wheel each time
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adobe has a huge head start with the software they already have & they make bank on the subscription model so the development (though subpar for how much money they make) is constant and steady
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to replace say photoshop you need more than one program. photoshop is a beast, it’s RAM hungry but for a good reason, you can edit photography, draw traditionally, paint with oils, watercolours, do calligraphy, do pixel art, create collages, do photo manipulation, create designs, fill out digital forms, make your file into an editable pdf, sketch, hell you can even animate if you’re feeling masochistic! you can bascially change any image into any other image you can possibly imagine, it’s incredibly versatile and powerful. other software focuses on niches (because they can’t afford to try to compete with adobe), doing one thing but doing it really well, no single program can challange photoshop, even if the main feature it offers is better than what photoshop can do. same goes for After Effects, Illustrator, and i’m sure others but those are the main ones i use (Premiere Pro recently-ish got outmatched by Davinci Resolve which is a huge win)
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if you plan on making money with your art you’re basically required to at least be competent working with Adobe apps, it’s the industry standard, and it’s not looking like that’s going to change any time soon. look up any digital drawing course, 80% are going to use photoshop, 15% procreate, 5% krita, corel, and other software (disclaimer, those numbers are vibes based and do not reflect the actual %s)
so yes, there are alternatives, but there is no photoshop-but-different-brand or after-effects-but-we-rearranged-the-ui. To replace one Adobe app you often need several programs which slows down the workflow significantly
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nope, adobe apps are allergic to VMs too, less so but still. believe me i’m not hyped about having a whole dedicated OS just so i can run 4 programs, but dual boot is my only option
since i’ll set all that up past end of life for win10 i won’t be getting any security updates so i can safely just disable that option altogether, which will hopefully make the two OS coexist peacefully
I think the dual boot problems are generally associated to using the same drive. If you have one drive for each you can use BIOS to control boot order instead.
That’s been my experience as well. Dual boot, separate drives. Never had Windows touch it.
neat! i do hope i’ll have saved up for a proper PC by then so having two drives won’t be much of a hassle (currently i have a laptop)
Many laptops support a second drive
i feel oddly unsafe when my entire digital life is running from an external drive. backups sure, but the main thing? makes me nervous
Many laptops support a second internal drive.*
I’ve been dual booting with Grub for a year now and the only issue I ever had was accidentally installing Grub to the wrong drive at first
Maybe it’s because I run the LTSC IOT version but so far I just pick which OS at boot and go, defaults to Linux after 10s of inactivity
Switch to GPT, makes Things easier. You can do that from inside Windows without Reinstall or anything. Also Install Linux in another Drive, then you got No issues.
