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    Honestly I thought this would be a slam dunk for Trump after the assassination photo, then he completely failed to capitalize on that, then I thought it would be a slam dunk for Harris, then she did absolutely nothing to make her likeable and got an endorsement from Cheney. How are both presidential candidates so bad at running for president

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      From what I understand, Trump actually got chilled by the attempt, right? Like he actually had to stop and think about the world and his place in it for the first time in his life. I don’t know, I’m sorry to anthropomorphize a republican. I haven’t really been following. But he’s supposedly talented at reading the room, right?

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    All Harris had to do was to even pretend to be progressive, but she had to jump on the ghoul train in order to impress 7 columnists. Why do they think that Negraponte and Cheney are good endorsements?

    The dems were on a slight roll when they chose to do what the ‘left’ told them by replacing Biden and choosing Waltz for VP, but then decided to double down to pander to the right.

  • Anyone notice their polling numbers started tanking as soon as it came out that planet-hillary was consulting their campaign?

    Or maybe it was the Cheney announcement? Or Walz’s comments on Iran and Israel?

    Boy I’m so excited for another 2016, I can already hear the quiet panicking and finger pointing on election night.

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      They switched from calling Republicans “weird” to being like “Okay, but we love Republicans, we’re adopting a bunch of their policies, and we’ll have Republicans in our administration” and the numbers dropped. Wow who could have seen this coming!?

      And yes, all of this sounds like HRC’s strategists.

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      oh those fingers are already pointed at us and have been since the beginning.

      you know those wacky oversized foam fingers? they just went ahead and taped them to us a decade ago and relieved themselves of the need to ever self-crit

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      it timed pretty well with the VP debate (didn’t watch) but I would be surprised if that resulted in much difference given the large gap in favorability for the VPs

      • At least with Biden there was a gesture to the left, even if simply because he had to solidify his support after the primary with Bernie and Warren

        Now they’ve just completely dropped all pretext of being a left-friendly party and have doubled down on being center-right. The only thing not present from 2016’s run is the open derision of left-leaning “bernie-bro” dems - but even then, there is a pretty deafening silence that’s hard not to interpret as contempt.

        To me this feels way more like 2016 than 2020, but my memory might not be serving me that well.

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          anakin-padme-1 Bernie Bros

          anakin-padme-3 Genocide Snowflakes, Terrorist Left, Hamas Left, Anti-Semite Left, Russian trolls, CCP trolls

          Not sure if they have settled on a name yet for who to blame.

          • Eh, those are perennial anti-communist slurs used by terminally online libs

            IIRC Hilary actually used the term ‘bernie bros’. I haven’t heard Harris say anything directly accusational about the left yet, but they’ve been keeping a tight lid on her public comments so who knows if she would, given the chance. I keep waiting for her to call anti-war protestors ‘antisemitic’ - she’s gotten close but I don’t think she’s been direct about it yet.

          • Some of his campaign positions were lesser homages to Sanders’ positions, like the student loan relief and universal child care. I think Bernie dragged the entire 2020 Democratic field to the left, at least aesthetically.

            Obviously those promises fell through (or were never real to begin with), but I don’t think he ever would have campaigned on them if not for the fact he was campaigning against them in the primaries.

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      i wish i didn’t have look forward to the threads from the diet reddit instances of the lemmyverse; but it’s clear that .worlders are no different than redditors (aka your typical uninformed liberals) and i suspect that those threads will be the only source of joy out of this entire election.

      i wish i wasn’t childish told-you-so pleasure that will be definitely fleeting since liberals can only convince themselves to learn about their situations and usually don’t bother.

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    Weird that their strategy of courting Republicans isn’t working, given there’s already a Republican candidate that appeals more broadly to Republicans (on account of saying out loud, “I’m a Republican”).

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      Are democrats that clueless about politics? Americans love love LOVE the GOP. They’re more loyal to it than their wives.

      If they actually cared about progressivism, it would be much easier to recruit a bunch of white men allies, register as republicans, hide your power level and claim you’re fash and when you get elected do all the progressive stuff behind everyone’s backs.

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        There are a bunch of “moderate” Republicans that don’t like Trump because he’s an incompetent clown, they would rather have a competent fascist in power, I suppose that’s who Kamala is trying to appeal to. But if you ask me, the moderate Republicans will still vote Trump for the party behind him. The Dems have people like Warren and Bernie in their party who might do something pro-labor once in 4 years, so just vote NSDAP no matter who.

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      Nobody could have predicted that Republicans weren’t going to vote for a Black woman in the presidential elections.

      After all, Republicans are famous for their acceptance of Black people and how well they treat women.

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    Turns out the “Im basically a republican in all but name” strategy didnt work out work so well when please-save-me will always prefers the big wet boi.

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    I remember when a poll showed “Generic unnamed Democrat” polling 8% better than Biden in some places. It was clear as day that voters wanted literally anything but Biden. When Biden dropped out people thought they’d be getting their wish, but every day since then, Kamala just keeps telling us that she’s gonna continue exactly what Biden did.

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      How is it not obvious to everyone that dems are controlled opposition?

      Sure, they can reduce the imperial boomerang in reasonable amounts (but not too much) in their local places. But on a federal level they better lock in with the democrats to happily serve the American people all the exploitation they keep enthusiastically asking for.

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        I think a lot of it is people wanting to believe otherwise. I noticed this in myself when the Walz picked was announced and there was this initial surge of enthusiasm. Democrats were doing this “Republicans are weird” bit that worked hilariously well and Walz had a record of progressive policies in his state.

        I live in Germany so US politics doesn’t affect me as directly as it does Americans, but the tiny part in me that still holds on to naive, liberal ideas saw that and was like “Hey, maybe the West’s descent into fascism will finally stop now and we can all go back to brunch! Wouldn’t that be lovely? Wouldn’t it be just lovely if the good guys took charge and you wouldn’t have to worry about all the horrible things in the world anymore? Wouldn’t it be nice to feel hope again after a year of unprecedented despair?”

        Personally I was way too jaded and disillusioned to truly buy into that, but I could tell that I wanted to believe.

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        I don’t even see them as controlled opposition anymore. They’re competing (and generally friendly) fascist tendencies, nothing more- even the “reduce the imperial boomerang” is an overstatement, considering what we’re actually talking about is them simply “not engaging in internal colonialism/oppression as much (in certain specific places).” Klanmala’s history as a prosecutor is basically the textbook example of this.

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    Axios has an article out about infighting between Biden’s and Harris’s staff. I didn’t post it because it was a nothingburger of a read, but I guess it’s a sign they might be gearing up to pin a loss on Joe.

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      I mean it is at least partially his fault, but also it’s a fault that Harris can and should completely eliminate if she wanted to win

      Why is he still president??? Fucking 25th amendment the man and you don’t have to worry about that anymore. And continuing to allow him to rule is an incredible failure of her basic responsibilities in her current job.

      But she won’t do that because she supports all of his worst policies and opposes only his best, so if she got rid of him the ability to blame someone else goes away and it becomes obvious how bad she sucks.

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          Yeah she can, term limit doesn’t apply for people who took the position more than 2 years into a term. LBJ, for example, was allowed to run for a thirs time, but opted not to because of how unpopular Vietnam war made him.

          Edit: exact text:

          No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

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          As long as it’s past the halfway point of the term it wouldn’t count against her. With just a few months left she could do two more terms if she wanted.

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          I think the real reason, originally at least, was plausible deniability.

          There was a ton of “look she’s only the vice president, you can’t blame her for Biden’s unwavering support for genocide,” early on.

          At this point she’s made it clear that Biden is governing exactly how she would anyways, so I don’t know why they still keep up the charade, maybe inertia? Election is less than a month out anyways.

    • I get the distinct feeling that either Joe is checked out completely and not helping consult her campaign at all (other than because he’s toxic to her image), or Harris’ team has decided to take the direction of Clinton against the Biden-team’s objections.

      They really have committed to a distinctly different strategy from Biden, so it isn’t surprising at all that there’d be a lot of in-fighting.

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        I keep forgetting that shambling corpse is still technically president. When was the last time he even appeared in public? Or had an interaction with someone that wasn’t scripted and stage managed?

        I think the only reason they haven’t 25th amendment’d his ass is because then Kamala would have to be president and take on all the baggage of the office right before the election. Not that it would make that much of a difference at this point…

        • Yea, 100% it’s a political calculation.

          Not only would Harris be saddled with all the shortfalls of Biden’s administration, but republicans would probably paint her as a power-hungry tyrant for pushing out her predecessor (they already are).