That actually sounds awesome
The true American dream
What’s weird is saying “native” and “indian” interchangeably in 2024.
‘Indian’ is still pretty widespread in the US
It’s still technically called Indian Country and there are a variety of Indian services type organizations in the government.
My native american father in law prefers to call himself an Indian.
From his point of view he wouldn’t call himself a “native american” because he belongs to an actual nation and indigenous people aren’t a homogenous group.
He prefers Indian because it makes white people look bad. Incredibly based
A sentiment I’ve heard a bunch is “oh, so you called us Indians and now you’re uncomfortable with that label? Well fuck you, you don’t get to keep unilaterally changing what’s acceptable. If thinking about colonialism makes you uncomfortable, then great! Start sitting with that discomfort and recognising the crumb of self determination that we express by identifying as Indians. You gave us that label, and it’s ours now.”
He prefers Indian because it makes white people look bad.
I know nothing else about him, but I like him already.
I was reading it and genuinely thought it meant South Asian Indian at first
Indian isn’t offensive to native Americans in general
I’m falling into the old person category lately but prefer to stay in the know. What is the proper nomenclature in 2024?
Depends on your country. Really every place has come up with something different: First Nations, indigenous, native, etc.
“Indigenous” seems to be acceptable most people. When you know them personally, use their nation or tribal affiliation. Like if your friend was Korean, and you only referred to them as “Asian,” it might feel like you don’t care about the difference.
Different people prefer different nomenclature, but the generally accepted standard has switched from native American a couple decades ago to American Indian now. IIRC the change happened because calling people natives sometimes seems synonymous with calling them primitive. Most US tribal groups use American Indian now
Thank you. That makes sense.
20 years ago it was “native, aboriginal, or first nation’s” people
Not sure which is the current flavour
Native, I would assume
That’s not weird. That’s how functional societies reconcile when they aren’t subjected to endless propaganda and fear mongering.
i came to say this. being friends is healthy and normal.
I mean, it is weird in the sense that it is unusual. But that doesn’t make it bad, in fact it should become more normal.
I’d go so far as to say it’s bad that it is unusual
Migration leading to mixed cultures instead of genocide and colonization. Americans: “This is so weird!”
“In this here melting pot, we burn away all our differences until we’re left with only the pure white flame of Christian nationalism.”
I had to put the statement in quotes because while being hyperbole, it’s not too far from how some people think, and I don’t want to be confused with those folks.
Are you implying Americans started colonization, or…?
They’re implying that the US was founded on migration which led to genocide and colonization.
It’s the result of colonization.
They got the good ending
I still don’t think the natives got the good deal here
Who’s to say?
I was going to joke about an Amish casino, but then I remembered the move Kingpin
Hey everybody, there’s a shit cloud coming! Run for your lives!
I don’t think jewelry wearing is compatible with the Amish conception of propriety and modesty but I’m not going to say it wouldn’t happen.
The “rules” the Amish live by are determined by the Elders of that group. They can be quite strict or fairly loose. And can vary by a fair bit from colony to colony even as neighbors. Cell phones can be fine for one group and be forbidden for the next.
Like some much in life, the rules are open to interpretation.
I saw some Amish or similar community teens freaking out in a Sheetz over the touch screens. They were having so much fun.
Right I get that, but the underlying value that the prohibitions are designed around is promoting humility and preventing vanity.
If the jewelery was given as a gift in good will, it would be worse to reject it or to accept it and never use it.
That sounds like pride and pride sounds like sin!
My grandpa rents some of his fields out to an amish guy who also rents a lot of other fields in the area. The amish in our area are known to be pretty loose with their rules so my grandpa wasn’t surprised when the guy showed up with combine harvester but he was kind of surprised with how new it was. My grandpa asked him how he could drive a combine when they weren’t allowed to drive cars. To which the amish guy responded, “Well, I don’t actually drive the combine; it drives itself. I just sit in it.”
Most based Amish dude I’ve ever heard about.
Jewish people on Sabbat vibes.
Sounds like the Amish would be ok with a robotic vacuum as long as it charged itself from a solar panel.
Nice ha ha
Good for them. Culture should evolve.
Maybe it depends on the branch of Amish. I’ve heard the ones in the Midwest are a little more relaxed than the ones in Pennsylvania.
The Amish around where I live (Midwest) run a bunch of great little stores (which is most of the contact I have with them personally, but my partners mom has friends in their community who come to visit now and then.) The stores all take credit cards and have refrigerators for the cheeses/dairy, and many of them do use machinery for farm work. Some even use cell phones.
I haven’t noticed any jewelry (haven’t paid attention), but they really do seem to pick and choose which portions to adhere strongly to.
My understanding is the faith has exclusions to the rules for when its necessary for work, so an Amish IT Administrator wouldn’t be impossible!
It mainly depends on if it makes them money or not.
That does, honestly, seem to be the threshold for the communities around me.
Can they use it in a way they can argue complied with their religion? If yes, and money, do thing. If yes, no money, do thing. If no, but money, try harder to argue, then do thing.
If no and no money, leave the community.
Yeah the more I’ve found out and paid attention over the past few decades. I think the Amish how they were originally envisioned, died out many many years ago.
The current ilk, use that perception to make money and at best give lip service to the original ideals.
I figure in 50 years Amish will be indistinguishable from any other modern religion.
I mean even now they are just another niche religious community… I get what they were going for, but…
Their communities have a lot of problems. Like a lot. And because they mostly have that year of going into the world (intended as a culture shock, but really is just an introduction to modern convenience technology, which is mmmmm so enticing) their numbers are dwindling. And that sucks for the culture loss, but I doubt they will even exist in 50 years, honestly.
Or say they do exist in 50 years… they will be the people buying all the cheap shit that doesn’t meet emission regulations because they “have to weigh each new innovation”.
For as long as I’ve lived in close proximity to Amish communities (most of my life, again Midwest), they have always made weird questionable allowances that I don’t really understand because I’m not part of the community. Most of them get around their religious limitation by just hiring someone, that’s why they need money. I know this because my family was hired on multiple occasions (because we often did poultry trades and other livestock deals with them) to operate machinery (chainsaws, modern farm equipment, etc) on their behalf.
And doesn’t that just seem like modernizing with more steps?
Also inbreeding is a huge issue, I know back in the nineties there was a big deal about the large communities (Midwest, PA, NC?) intermarrying to try and help the issues
Everyone’s just making shit up based on their feelings anyway, let them do as they
wiltwill.wollen
Really depends on the community, some have cars.
Also worth noting often if you see what looks like Amish folks driving a car, especially if its for personal errands they’re often not Amish but Mennonite.
I very consistently manage to shop at the same time as one Mennonite family, so I’ll see them getting groceries then load up their car and drive home
Need photos this sounds adorable
This post has been up an hour and we have no fucking information this is unacceptable.
Is part of the agreement to trade fashion accessories?
As a father who raised 4 daughters, you try and stop a young woman from wearing jewelry, perfumes, and even makeup. That’s a fight you WILL lose every time.
You should see the dating scene. A young Amish boy holding hands with a young Native walking down a hallway, (or vice versa). It ain’t right I tell you.
I learned very quickly I had already lost on the makeup battle by the time my daughter was 2. I thought maybe we could make it until she was a teenager but NOPE
isn’t that a part of every agreement
Yes but only among girls.
