Will we all be fucked or is there a Linus 2?

  • Obinice
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    2678 months ago

    We’ve all agreed that when he dies it would be disrespectful to keep using Linux so we’ll pack it up and switch to Windows from them on.

  • danielfgom
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    8 months ago

    Nothing. Linus doesn’t personally do coding on the kernel, he has a team who do that and he oversees it and makes the hard decisions.

    There are others who will take his place and the work will continue.

    If somehow the entire kernel team shut down, Google, Samsung or some other large corporation would take it over and continue development because at this point many, many, many servers, phones, smart devices, iot, and other appliances rely on the Linux kernel to function.

    It simply cannot be left to die.

    • @tetris11@lemmy.ml
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      1428 months ago

      “Today here at Microsoft we are celebrating the legacy of the late Linus Torvalds by releasing a new kernel, re-written entirely in Golang using Copilot. No GPL code was touched, merely re-written, and we will offer ISOs to the coding community for free! Stay tuned for more updates, as we will be exclusively developing on this kernel going forward! This is a great day for open source!”

    • musicmatze
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      18 months ago

      Nothing. Linus doesn’t personally do coding on the kernel, he has a team who do that and he oversees it and makes the hard decisions.

      Even that is not really the truth. There are dozens and dozens of teams that actually do the development, then there are people who coordinate and maintain certain parts of the kernel, merge in patches and make decisions. And then there’s Linus who does coordinate these people.

      There are others who will take his place and the work will continue.

      And most likely Greg K-H will take over the position that Linus has right now. He has been one of the most active maintainers and is probably “the number 2” behind Linus.

  • @ExLisper@linux.community
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    1178 months ago

    A number of candidates will create their own forks and there will be a long Game of Thrones style war between different factions. After couple of weeks each distro will choose the fork they will make the default one and people will split into warring factions. After that we will enter a nuclear winter style period lasting couple of years during which 90% of post on Lemmy will be just shitposting the rival forks. After a decade or two of backstabbing, dirty politics and other drama new dictator will be selected and all will be back to normal.

    • @Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml
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      308 months ago

      The far future: A man sits at a table, staring at a floating hologram display. He watches as an indecipherable block of alphanumeric characters wiggles and splits into two segments. He nods slowly.

      He takes a breath and closes his eyes, broadcasting a message to everyone on duty that day.

      “Merge the request. Tell Linus#3418 that Wayland is now the default display manager.”

    • @duncesplayed@lemmy.one
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      158 months ago

      Hm, he and his wife are getting on in years. If they want a son, they should probably get on that right away.

      • @fluxion@lemmy.world
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        428 months ago

        He has decided it shall pass on to his eldest daughter, and he has already fulfilled his kingly duties. Long may she reign.

  • @vhalragnarok@linux.community
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    1018 months ago

    There will not be a Linus 2, but rather there will be a peaceful transfer of “power”.

    Linus is not the Benevolent Dictator For Life of the Linux Kernel.

    Linus has already stepped away from developing the Kernel. He did this after an incident to work on his professionalism & mannerisms towards people. Kernel development did not stop. Linus does not approve and merge every patch into the Kernel.

    Rather it is more likely that the Lead Maintainer/Developer changes to Greg Kroah-Hartmon, and the project does not skip a beat.

    Rest assured with something as important as the Linux Kernel: development will keep going.

  • @chunkyhairball@lemmy.ml
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    908 months ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor is a thing that any GOOD project or IT department considers. How many of your staff can you afford to lose if they all happen to be travelling in the same bus, on their way to eat at the same place for lunch when an asteroid inevitably punches through said bus and/or diner.

    ‘Hit by an asteroid’ is a little unrealistic. Sentenced to prison for 15 to Life has happened in the Open Source community at least once before. The project I linked to had a Bus Factor of about one. It’s now ‘old code using outdated APIs’ and is considered obsolete.

    I’ve personally seen legal and criminal issues for a single individual cripple IT departments before, meaning their bus factor was also way too low. I’ve been on trips that have been rudely interrupted by screaming executives when I came down out of the mountains into cell range because I was the only bus factor left on certain systems. Natural disaster, such as hurricanes, wildfires, and floods are very serious existential threats to even the largest of organizations.

    Since Linux seems to be a good project, I can’t imagine that the discussion hasn’t been had, in public or in private. Millions of individuals and dozens upon dozens of big corporations depend on Linux, Open source and otherwise. If the bus comes for core maintainers or project leaders we have at least SOME backup.

    • Kuadhual
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      518 months ago

      We need to consider truck-kun factor, where the developer get isekai-ed.

      • @chunkyhairball@lemmy.ml
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        358 months ago

        “I’ll Become the Strongest Adventurer in the Other World with My Maximum Level Open Source Operating System Development Skills.”

          • @chunkyhairball@lemmy.ml
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            138 months ago

            “Brave Hero from Finland, you’ve been struck by a bus and are going to reincarnate into–”

            “No I wasn’t. That bus CHASED ME DOWN two alleys, over a fire hydrant, into, and out of a Starbucks. It did NOT hit me. You just summoned me here.”

            “Err… anyway, this world needs a hero to–”

            “Write hardware drivers? A kernel module? Some inline assembly?”

            "Err… the demon lord… er… "

            “DID YOU EVEN MAIL THE LIST? Hah… Okay. Does this world have logic gates of any kind? I need to get this knocked out as soon as possible. I’ve got the entirety of the bcachefs patchset to review before 6.7 is in release.”

    • JohnEdwa
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      8 months ago

      “Known for: ReiserFS, murder” kinda makes it sound like the dude invented both.

      • Tippon
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        78 months ago

        Or was sentenced for both.

        ‘No your honour, that’s not what committing ReiserFS means’

    • WFH
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      218 months ago

      I’ve been on trips that have been rudely interrupted by screaming executives when I came down out of the mountains into cell range because I was the only bus factor left on certain systems.

      Wow, incredible management skills, genius move to treat your one critical employee like a piece of shit.

      • @chunkyhairball@lemmy.ml
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        98 months ago

        Yeah, that was close to the end of that job. I didn’t want to be there, and that particular manager was really upset that they couldn’t just eliminate those servers. He wanted his folks trained on them, but then refused to actually let them spend any time training on them. I was a scapegoat and took the severance deal ASAP.

    • Turun
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      88 months ago

      when an asteroid inevitably punches through said bus and/or diner.

      Or, you know there is a crash? Lol

      I’ve never heard it with the asteroid explanation. But thousands of people die every year in car crashes. Most in single occupant vehicles, but a bus can be involved too.

  • @Trd@lemmy.wtf
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    568 months ago

    Think we all can agree that the only sensible choise would to convert to Tempel OS…

  • Nine
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    558 months ago

    From what I understand Greg Kroah-Hartman would take over

    • andrew
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      378 months ago

      A quick search shows he’s actually two years older than Linus. Though I’m sure there’s plenty of young blood in the community by now.

      • AggressivelyPassive
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        138 months ago

        Not that much, unfortunately.

        The entire process of contributing is a huge pain and makes it rather hard for new people to join.

        • fmstrat
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          48 months ago

          I think this is by design. I once contributed to git, and it required putting a patch in the mailing list. It certainly forced you to be sure your code was spot on.

          • AggressivelyPassive
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            78 months ago

            And it will discourage new users from contributing. Thus, only boomers and corpos will contribute, and over time Linux becomes a de facto corporate owned committee.

  • @mtchristo@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    For a moment I thought this post was about the LTT host. And was like they could replace him with any of his doppelgangers in the group and no one will notice.

  • @dannoffs
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    398 months ago

    By then GNU/Hurd will be ready lmao

    • velox_vulnus
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      8 months ago

      I’m looking to learn micro-kernel development to contribute to this dream of a project hehe. The GNU folks are doing a great job with Guix.