I’ve often wondered what new and innovative ways Microsoft could find to make my computer even less likely to do what I want.
But AI, bro
Bro, remember when VR was all the rage? EVERYTHING was pushing VR, so much so
FacebookMeta went all in on it.Now it’s a fucking novelty at best.
I think VR and all these AI assistants are similarly in that they’re in their infancy stages and there’s gonna be a ton of growing pains before they’re useful enough to be common, but someday they will have their place
That’s my thoughts on the matter at least
VR has been explored though, from Google Cardboard to the PSV2 to animating/painting… All of them failing to gain traction or be widely adopted.
It either needs to jump through a lot more hurdles to be more accessible and useful, or it’s just gonna be another cool experiment in time like Etch-A-Sketch
VR has been explored though, from Google Cardboard to the PSV2 to animating/painting… All of them failing to gain traction or be widely adopted.
That’s only because the cost for a good experience is still out of the realm for most people to justify to even try. Until we are looking at $150 or so for a good experience that doesn’t give people headaches or motion sickness issues it will never take off.
The cheap VR systems still give plenty of people issues, and the expensive ones are out of the reach of a normal person living their life day to day.
And for businesses, VR simply has not proven to have a cost benefit worth even the initial capital investment, without even taking into account ongoing IT costs due to damaged equipment.
I’m one of the people who gets nauseated from 3D goggles. I’ve got a friend who got all the latest stuff, had sensors on the wall, all that and within a minute or so I wanted to puke.
I’m never going to use a vr headset. Not sure what percentage of people are in my boat, but I think that’s a pretty significant barrier to adoption
I wouldn’t say never.
The current headsets can make you sick in a variety of ways but since the start of VR, the sick factor has been reduced by roughly half every 5 years or every generation I’ve tried it.
It’s through a combination of higher refresh rates, better tracking, sickness reducers such as limited FOV when moving, or various locomotion techniques for the player.
The largest nausea inducer is giving people a joystick for moving around. But otherwise a 90+hz refresh rate and large FOV solve most issues.
Also, frankly, it takes some getting used to. But once your brain knows what to expect, the sickness goes away pretty quick.
Also I don’t necessarily expect entertainment or games to be the big thing. Many businesses use it for short periods to showcase designs. And VR is walking right now while AR is running.
And for businesses, VR simply has not proven to have a cost benefit worth even the initial capital investment, without even taking into account ongoing IT costs due to damaged equipment.
That’s just not true. Companies of all sizes are using VR for onboarding and training with much success and a huge return on investment. There are also a lot of location-based and VR arcades making a nice profit.
VR may never go mainstream, but for businesses there are a lot of use cases for which it is valuable.
What are some companies/industries using it for onboarding/training and how are they applying it? Haven’t heard about this.
Maybe if you’re in the military or space industry, otherwise I can’t see any practical use in commercial business.
No one wanted to wear them even for meetings while they were isolated, and that requires the bare minimum of effort
That’s certainly a factor, but I think it has far more to do with availability of content.
I can afford to buy a proper VR setup but I do not see it as a worthwhile investment because practically none of the content available is of interest to me.
It’s the equivalent of dropping 2K+ to play mobile games.
Until AAA studios are actively developing for this hardware, I’m not interested…but they won’t because barely anyone has the hardware. It’s a real chicken and egg scenario.
It’s still to expensive and cumbersome for most people I think. That’s certainly my perception.
And all the “entry level” headsets really lack the hardware to make it an actual viable VR experience.
You’re essentially just moving around a camera with a gyroscope in it, unable to interact with anything.
Remember paint 3d?
VR is great, just unfortunate still lacking software. Half Life Alyx and GT7 are amazing experiences unlike anything without VR. Meta’s shit I haven’t tried but on more powerful, Facebook free platforms there’s a lot of great stuff.
He wasn’t talking about games.
Glad you enjoy playing with your toy though, thanks for the review.
Remeber when 3D was all the rage? 3D monitors 3D tvs, every fucking movie was in 3D. And…now it’s a novelty at best.
I would pay more at a theatre to not watch it in 3D
Right? I mean… movies are too expensive to see in theaters now… but I would too if I had the money.
It’s very obvious that they rushed Copilot. What should have been an assistant like Jarvis in Iron Man, has literally no purpose and can’t do anything useful.
an assistant like Jarvis in Iron Man
We should bring back Clippy! –Microsoft exec
If a new Clippy worked like Jarvis, I’d take it in a heartbeat.
well you hit the nail on the head
It’s MS, that’s why it was rushed. Features make boss happy, bugfixes make boss angy (he has more work). No wonder that huge features get capped at 50% in such a culture.
Watch your mouth or Clippy is coming back…
The product people who determine this shit need to be fired. If I had to guess, they’re over there planning this in Macs and shit. Force them to use their product and that will help resolve these dumb issues.
Yep, the reason Macs are more usable is not that they are usable in general, it’s that they can’t keep the pace with Windows.
This might just be the push I need to switch to Linux desktop.
Do it. With proton the last argument for me to use windows is gone (gaming).
Well, it’s not GONE. There are still plenty of games that won’t run well on Linux, or they won’t allow online multiplayer because their anti-cheat software is restricted to Windows. But that number is getting smaller every day.
But there are so very many games that do work. That those that do not, i can easily ignore.
Thats why I specified that, for me, that was enough to switch. I agree that proton isnt there yet and 100% compatibility, and we will probably never get to that. But there are enough games on the market for me to do 90% of my gaming on Linux these days.
Yeah and it’s getting closer all the time. I don’t think we’re that far from a “tipping point” where Windows gets so shitty, and simultaneously Linux gets so good (for gaming specifically) that it would be silly not to switch.
Any day now…
INCOMING (artillery barrage with different distros). Unfortunately I have a bad feeling that chrome OS will win the Linux wars
I’m really not convinced that even if linux, at some point, does become a better platform for gaming than windows, that windows users will swap over. Mainstream gamers probably have never installed an OS before, it’s intimidating for people.
Ubuntu 23.10 is the first mainstream Linux desktop distro that I think could be good enough for many windows users. Windows really needs to fumble for this to happen though.
In its current state I would stick with Windows. But if they make it shittier and shittier… theoretically there is a point where gamers would start switching en masse. Whether or not it will get that bad is debatable.
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Meh. I don’t play multiplayer games at all other than FFXIV and that I haven’t played in over a year. The only thing that would deter me is some visual novels I play are windows only but I could probably just run them in a virtual machine as they’re not demanding.
Games like that just reinforce that a large segment of the gaming population will prioritize Windows, and developers go where the players are. I used to dual boot windows but now run windows as a VM with a VFIO gpu. Works great but it’s annoying to need that for just a few applications.
I doubt VNs have anti-cheat, so you can just run them in Proton or WINE.
I’m still on windows because I multibox my main game and the tools to do it don’t work, alt tab is a goddamn mess, minimize window on focus loss is a fucking nightmare, and multiple instances of proton just chew up system resources until the game starts lagging so hard I need to quit every client and try again.
it’s an edge case but that’s quite a lot to deal with when windows just works.
Can you run Adobe software via proton? As soon as that works I’ll be on Linux.
Look at your usecase, if it really requires adobe suite, you are out of luck i’m afraid. Perhaps you could research running a VM or wine, but I havent tried any of that myself.
If you conclude that you dont need features exclusive to adobe you might be able to find a foss alternative.
Perhaps you could research running a VM
It works very well, especially if you pass through your GPU and storage. I can even use this setup for Gaming, no significant performance loss compared to Windows. It’s awesome.
I need Lightroom and I’ve tried Darktable but it just doesn’t cut it.
No, but there are better alternatives to adobe that don’t hog your ram harder then triple a games
Depends one what you need to do, there are some areas in which adobe still has a monopoly
I’m just waiting for full real parity (HDR, and some RT stuff), and I’m gone.
roblox:
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[5 years later]
“it wasn’t”
Do it.
Dooooooittttttt!
I spent the last ~10 days “playing” with many distros, including testing some current games, and I am literally right now backing up my files and about to reformat my main PC to linux (full drive, no dual). This is after only having experience with copy-paste Raspberry PI guides for my pi-hole.
Don’t totally believe “oh it’s so easy, nothing to configure” - those people are lying, especially if you’ve not used Linux before. But several flavors of Ubuntu are quite pleasant, and I appear to have found a home with PopOS. I can’t find anything that “doesn’t work”, and the worst fixes were just quick searches for help. PopOS won due to nvidia compatibility and a nice, snappy desktop. It also was the fastest in overall reformat cycle time. My wife’s computer is still Windows, if I do have any microsoft emergencies.
There are some games that just will not work even under proton, or that have functional restrictions. It’s way fewer games than it used to be, but it’s still not an absolutely perfect solution. I would love to make Linux my gaming OS instead of my “getting shit done” OS like it currently is, I’ve been advocating for it for a few decades at this point and it’s almost there, but it’s not to a point yet where I can unreservedly recommend it to gamers. If you aren’t a gamer I’d say it’s already good enough for anything you need.
How easy was setting up the pi-hole?
It’s stupid easy. Flash DietPi to the SD card, select pi hole from the package list, then point your router to the IP for DNS.
Of course, it should be plugged directly into your router, so a zero won’t work without an ethernet hat.
This is where I’d say to visit /r/PiHole but it doesn’t work that way over here and I’ve no idea how to link to a sub yet soo….
Checkout it the PiHole website.
It’s “easy” - but that is very subjective, depending on how much you’ve down outside “turning Windows on”. You DO need to make sure your router allows assigning a DNS ip address. Some ISP-supplied units are rather locked down.
I recommend a “kit” from somewhere like CanaKit (amazon has them), to make sure you get the parts you need. It can run on smaller/cheaper kits, but I say get a Pi3 or 4 variant.
Then following the link above, there is great documentation on install. Install “Putty” on windows, which will log into your Pi and allow remote command line, and then the entire process is copy-paste from guides.
After you finish, you may feel “oh that was easy!” - but there’s still some stuff to learn and get used to along the way.
Congrats on picking an awesome distro! :) Pop is really nice, and I’m really excited to see what they do with their desktop environment. I feel like we’re spoiled for choice right now on Linux.
There are always things to configure, just like on Windows. I think some people kind of forget that they had to learn to configure things on Windows at one point. xD
Ok wow… did I jinx myself with this post. Immediately after posting here, I began the install/config phase of a fresh reformat. Encountered a weirdness that the system couldn’t sleep/suspend - immediately woke up. 8 hours later… After installing 5 different distros to confirm it was ALL linux versions (even debian)…
I spent the entire day, 8 hours, searching and referencing and troubleshooting. FINALLY one very random corner of the internet, on an ARCH-LINUX forum, a small comment mentioned that my Gigabyte B550 “had a problem” with sleep. SO THEN I had to start cross-referencing those words (couldn’t “use” the Arch guide, since I was on Pop), and my dude/dudette… I was up to 1am.
Ultimately, I had to COMBINE the “solutions” of FOUR different results, across 2017-2020 (none actually on Ubuntu 22.04) to get the fix to work. Like one taught me the script, but the locations were wrong, one taught me the service I needed, but it was outdated, and then another taught how to fix a service, etc etc, cascading solutions.
SO at close to 2AM - after documenting my own guide, another raw metal install of PopOS, wrote my script & service… and… “it just works!” (pun intended). It works. It sleeps. Have to disable the Gigabyte B550M “GPP0 and GPP8” device, which are bridges to the NVMe drives.
Funny enough though, as much as this is “yup, thats Linux!” I feel like it’s not fair, and not Linux’s fault. This is a random, and really unlucky, issue with my specific board. I am typing this to you, while on my new PopOS install, and sleep/suspend still works.
What a ride!
Wow. That’s unfortunate, but hey, you got it working! Congrats! :D
as I keep chatting to you on a windows thread…
remembering I started linux 9 days ago, hopefully that’s the biggest adventure I go on for awhile. I wonder if there’s some place I should post my story, but maybe it’s too specific to be wildly helpful.
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is rather easy.
But anyway, no mainstream user-friendly Linux distribution is that hard to use if you can read and think.
So when people say that they can’t manage one on their desktop - they also usually can’t manage Windows on their desktop, they just think they can.
Lol, every single Microsoft article has this comment.
About a month ago Windows 11 started forcing ads for apps and services I didn’t need. Immediately installed a popular Linux distribution to have some peace of mind. There’s every flavor of desktop out there. I picked one for work and games (pop_os). It’s out of my way most of the time and it’s not trying to sell me anything. I recommend it, specially, if you’re someone that doesn’t fiddle with settings too much, it just work.
been working on it here. i’ve just moved my multi-monitor setup at the office over to debian mint, and relegated windows to a crt.
i can’t go “all in”, as supporting windows desktops “pays the rent”, but it’ll be “all but one” at home and at the office.
if you’re using windows in 2023, I doubt it
I use Windows, macOS, and Linux, but all in separate ways. Haven’t used a desktop Linux in quite some time — only headless Linux servers.
Why? I switched to Linux in 2023.
Microsoft may replace the Start button with the Copilot AI in Windows 12
Yeah, they could also replace the start button with a shit emoji. But there’s no indication at all anybody wants to do any of that because they’re not idiots. You only said that so people visit your shitty website. In fact, not even the quote you reference for your article suggests any plans of replacing the start button whatsoever:
“The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”
Fuck clickbait headlines and fuck websites bending any and all content to the SEO voodoo.
lemmy reddit is basically a misleading clickbait megaphone
And everybody’s just happy to bitch about whatever the headline suggests without ever checking if it’s even true.
And everyone and their grandma is switching to Linux, this time for real
Lemmy communities need to start banning domains that post clickbait garbage like this.
Well in that case I might replace windows 12 with not using windows 12
Im 70% sure I’m replacing wins 11 with Linux already so join us
A few weeks ago when they made the search bar come back after I had told it to go away I switched to Linux. It’s weird the small annoyances that add up. It’s great so far. With KDE for the desktop environment, you can make it look however you want, including almost identical to any version of windows you want. It’s really quite usable, and generally I’m already faster and more comfortable with it than I was with windows.
XP gang
Botnet gang :/
Yeah, don’t use old versions of Windows (or any OS really). Upgrade to Win 10/11 or install Linux (or something else that’s supported).
Nope
I love this idea. The reason people continue using Windows is because they’re used to it. Messing with the Start button is going to piss off even the most patient users. Not to mention it’ll be an absolute nightmare for any IT department. Just imagine an army of Karens calling your hotline first thing on Monday morning, yelling at you because you took away the Start button. It’ll make Windows 8 look like a huge success.
They already fucked with start menu and search and it’s already a problem for IT. I can’t find any app I got installed unless I spell it out right, and even then it might work with just 3/8 letters in but no further.
Sometimes I just click through program files cause it’s faster.
For some fucking brilliant reason, searching update shows discord, so to find updates I have to spell it wrong
Back to cluttering the desktop with shortcuts to everything it is then.
sometimes you can’t find an application even when you spell it out correctly, hafta go through the apps list to find them.
I feel like things like Classic Shell (or whatever the go-to alternative is nowadays) are just going to make bank from enterprise customers suddenly wanting to make their desktops usable for the average user.
Doubtful. It’s hard enough to get programs past our security team and having half malware bundled programs like this won’t be an easy task.
Lol, what? There is no malware in classic shell, or start11 or explorer patcher. Wtf are you talking about?
Tell that to dumbass IT “managers” that think a process monitor is a hacking tool.
i remember some game refusing to launch just because i had it installed
Openshell on github. I don’t know that it’s the same code, but I’m pretty sure the Classic Shell website linked to it.
They tried fucking with it on Windows 8 and that worked out so great.
tbh i liked the win8 start menu
Which is why this is obviously just a shitty clickbait headline. Have you read the article? Nobody is planning to replace the start button but they could and that’s enough for tech “journalism” these days.
So now I can use an AI to find notepad++ on bing?
No, silly! You use AI to find sponsored ads on Bing! You don’t need notepad++ to ＣＯＮＳＵＭＥ
No. Search isn’t for finish g what you want anymore… common misconception.
Is this like the previous theory that Windows 12 would be subscription based?
“The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”
Saying “copilot is like the start button” is not saying “copilot will replace the start button”, the article is dishonest clickbait and stupid.
This is just MS taking another kick at Cortana, this time powered by LLM generative AI.
Come, yer tired souls, to the Kingdom of Torvalds.
I only have one machine that’s still running Windows. This would convince me to finally make that zero.
Same bro. Linux gaming is getting better and better every day. That’s my last hurdle.
I only have one machine using Windows because I don’t want to be “left behind” in the corporate desktop world, but it’s on my “left hand monitor” while my center and right of three monitors are Kubuntu. The specs won’t let me use 11 on any of my systems. My company laptop is still Windows 10 as well because some of our security software doesn’t run on 11 yet.
If I didn’t have to work in the corporate space, I’d quit Windows in a fast second. I have been using Kubuntu as my daily driver for almost 10 years now.
pretend that you’re my late grandma, whom I miss a lot. her favourite pastime at this time of the day was deleting the C:/system32 directory.
I too, think the Windows start menu is way too responsive and not buggy enough. /s
Windows 10 is my last windows. When i upgrade my destop i’m going Mint
Why not come join us now?
Well, my laptop’s already there, but i really don’t feel like dealing with system reinstallation on my games pc. It’ll be much easier for me to just stick with W10 for the next few months, and then jump ship, seeing as the upgrade i have planned won’t be using any components from my dekstop.
Linux is my daily driver. I used to struggle with it but it’s on point these days. Proton takes care of 90% of the gaming issues.
I can’t imagine ever going back to windows, I really can’t.
Do games work on proton on release day, or does it take work by the community or someone to get new games working?
I’ve had good experience with it, just make sure to use proton experimental if it’s a new release.
I mean, i only ever use my current desktop for games. My laptop where i do basically everything else is already running mint.
Im waiting for something like silverblue and flatpaks to mature before moving.
projectbluefin.io takes silverblue and adds many of the things that you were likely to be waiting for. It did for me.
Mint is great.
I really like it with the Maté DE.
But trying to make cloud filesystems work is a pain in the ass
Insync takes care of that. I even use Insync on Windows PC’s as it’s better than native cloud syncing apps from the likes of Google and Microsoft.
Windows 7 is my last Windows. Windows 10 is my current Windows. Looks like a safe bet to keep skipping at least one version. I did also go from XP to 7.
Hope I can ride the 10 wave as long as I rode XP.
We need a 10.XP version
Microsoft why are you trying to pull an Elon and destroy your own brand, stop that – what, after all, has a dedicated keyboard key on Windows keyboards, and has for decades?
They’re not. It’s just the author’s “creativity”. There’s no indication of plans to change the start button. Still, they could change the start button, which apparently warrants a misleading article people actually discuss.
