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Not my 20-year-old car.
Without regulation, this will continue, and get worse. Remember to vote in every election you can, both local, and national.
Democrats aren’t campaigning on this stuff so I’m not sure how voting is going to help this particular issue. They don’t seem to care about it much.
Like this: Vote GOP and they won’t so much as listen to their constituency. Vote Dem and there’s some possibility that calls, letters, etc will get them to do something that favors their constituency. Voting is the first step. Making yourself heard, and being an ongoing nuisance about it is the second step. And you better believe that the conservative constituents are doing both steps. Democracy IS a Verb, in fact it’s a Gerund, it’s an ongoing process.
So, like 7-Up, then.
What does voting have to do with anything?
If you were paying attention about automobile privacy, you would known that democrats signed legislation into law in 2024 that requires all cars sold in the US to have driver monitoring software.
https://www.gadgetreview.com/federal-surveillance-tech-becomes-mandatory-in-new-cars-by-2027
Partisan politics mean squat in the privacy sphere.
they squat on*
ftfy 🥲
Are you sure about that? OnStar has been a thing since what? The 90s?
It’s not OEM, though. Those idiot consumers only have themselves to blame.
Maybe the OG versions, but GM put onstar in basically every vehicle they made by like the mid 2000s.
Fair enough. I’ve not looked at GM in decades. 🤷🏼♂️
I love my '93 excel. Just about manual everything.
Yes, but voting was over in 2024. People just haven’t gotten the memo.
I really hope the Slate truck is everything they say it will be. Its lack of spyware is a pretty compelling reason to buy one.
My biggest concern with it is Bezos’ involvement.
I looked it up now, slate truck. Seems like a good idea. I never cared for infotainment at all.
I do, but only in the aspect of using Android auto/Apple carplay…
Anything else available from the infotainment system is usually just to facilitate that connection for me.
I already have everything on my phone, why do I also need it on my dash?
My thoughts exactly.
Same here. I wish Canada had a company making something similar since I’d rather not support the US economy. Choose your poison, I guess.
Mexico is making something similar. But it has max speed of like 50
That makes it pretty useless. Sometimes you need to go on highways or between cities. Is it 50 miles or 50 kilometers?
Kph. It’s a great little EV for the city of Mexico.
And they really need it. The cars running on fossil fuels there destroy the air quality
Sus that it’s another bezos company
He’s an investor, I’m not sure how big of a stake he has and I wish he didn’t have one but I’m happy to have an option to not be surveilled by my own vehicle.
Big Tech companies think they have solved advertising with infinite data. According to them, privacy can go fuck itself.
The irony is, you can try and advertise but I stopped paying attention a long time ago. Besides, I’m too busy spending all my money on living, fuel, and food. Good Luck Have Fun. And my cars are all over 20 years old. GG
“Sharing” implies something much less predatory than the actual relationship.
Let me go bring a gun to a bank and see if they’d like to share any of their money with me.
What they’re doing is more akin to rerouting the bank’s funds to your account, and buying off your choice of those in gov’t to make your rapidly growing scam “legal”. 😅
I have a 2010 Mazda Pickup. It doesn’t even share with me.
Your B-Series is F to M trans (Ford to Mazda). We all know what’s under that sexy hood.
Rust, so much rust.
My car is doing no such thing, but it’s a manual that’s old enough to vote.
Don’t worry. The surveillance cameras are making up for that gap in the data.
rigs up ultrabright IR light arrays to Subaru
An arms race it is then!
This stuff is why I’m apprehensive of buying anything remotely new.
The problem is, I also don’t want to burn prehistoric forests to travel.
So this sits in opposition to the fact that I want to travel around using the light from the sun as my primary energy source.
For those that can’t read between the lines, I want an EV, that I can charge by solar.
I am also aware of the slate truck. I have thoughts on it, but it’s worthy of consideration.
How realistic this is really depends on the individual, but converting dead ICE vehicles to EV is a thing. Easier on some cars than others, but old body on frame stuff is pretty darn straightforward (not to mention cool). Early 2000’s Ford Ranger + around 10k USD and maybe a hundred hours of tinkering would get you a ride imo both cooler and more practical than anything you can buy off the lot
This is a good point. I’ve been mulling around with the idea of building an EV from the chassis of a car I’ve liked since the first time I set eyes on it. The Pontiac Fiero. Specifically the 86-88 GT.
It just looks like a wicked fun car and with the power of an EV driving it, then it probably is.
I don’t have the space, money, or time, for a project car like that, but if I ever do, then that’s definitely on a short list of possibilities. My only real concern is with insurance. I’ll for sure be doing everything I can to bring the safety standards up to something modern (air bags, etc), and to reinforce the frame and make sure everything is copacetic, but I don’t think insurance will care, they’ll see an 80’s era vehicle, that has been heavily modified…
I dunno. I’ll make that call when I get there. The only real “new” features I care about are adaptive cruise, and Android auto/Apple car play… Everything else can be very bare bones… I have a very short list of things I care about beyond that, almost all of which were standard in some level of trim for the original car.
The vehicle has standard GM mounting points for the engine, same as any 3.4-3.8 V6 supercharged or NA engine from that era, so I’m sure some EV conversion kit will fit into the frame with little if any modifications needed.
Worth considering at least.
The motor swap itself is trivial in just about anything, you’re absolutely right that there’s usually a bolt in solution and if there’s not it’s a small amount of very basic fab work. The tricky part is usually battery packaging, and as a compact early unibody sports car the Fiero is going to be… trickier than most. You’d have the frunk, some extra space in the engine compartment, and the cavity where the fuel tank used to go. Anything is possible, but there already isn’t room for groceries in a stock one and it won’t exactly be long range.
I called out body on frame (and specifically the Ranger) because they offer long, flat open spaces beneath the car where it’s easy to mount a large, simple battery down low for good center of gravity. It also offers more flexibility in engine mounting options, as you can put a whole EV subframe anywhere on the rails vs swapping the motor where the IC engine was. Plaid subframe in the bed of a Ranger/small high-output battery in the engine compartment is a very cool drag combination I saw once, two large battery boxes parallel to the driveshaft under the bed and a Bolt motor/controllers under the hood of another Ranger is a more practical setup a family friend has IRL and where I got the $10k/rough time estimate from. DIY by a handy farmer, like many good things :)
If you ever move forward on this please let me know, I love this shit and have no money for projects of my own lol. 30 y/o truck out of commission until I get $200 together for an alternator x(
My bicycle does not
I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride my biiiiiiiiiiiiiike!
Not yet.
e-bikes. Bet they already do lol. So many people believe the “e” stands for “electric”, but it actually stands for “enshitification”
Good. now get yourself a faraday bag for your phone.
Already stripped it of all proprietary software and don’t put a SIM in it, so I’m good.
My phone does what I want. It doesn’t spy on me
Countries are selling out their citizens to car companies in the name of “traffic safety”
But I don’t have a car.
And yet, it likely has an FB account anyway. ☝🏼
Wild if true
Had anyone published a guide on how to strip these sensors yet?
Yes there’s a YouTube video for various disable techniques via fuses or jumper wire kits. Such as this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e09Kjj2awG0
Thanks, but that guy doesn’t sound like he knows what he was talking about.
He literally admitted that he had to get “information” from grok, and he never fact checked it.
There was no attempt to find or disable cameras, microphones, seat pressure sensors, etc. Those cars he “disabled” are probably still collecting all of the data and storing it locally. Just waiting for a dealer to plug it in to upload everything.
We really need just one person with car hacking skills to document how to disable the sensors (and then do a forensic analysis to confirm the data is no longer being collected). Then we’ll all have at least one privacy car.
It was an example, there are deeper dive videos also, and links to kits to buy that bypasses the units but tells the car things are still fine. Agreed we do nerd better hacking, but then Auto companies would sue
Right to repair prevents these sorts of law suits
But that’s only for companies selling the hacking as a paid service. There is zero standing to sue a guy hacking his own car and providing the info for free on the Internet (or, eg, at defcon).
Only thing they can do is void your warranty
They will claim decryption of proprietary code or something that violates Digital Rights Controls
People do that all the time. It’s not illegal to reverse engineer something you own (at least in the US).
It might be illegal to sell something from what you’ve reverse engineered
It’s not, I take things apart and repair them all the time. Those VOID stickers mean nothing. However the DMCA is expliclit on decryption, and that would be what they’d charge people with.
The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (“DMCA”) makes it illegal to circumvent technical measures (e.g., encryption, copy protection) that prevent access to copyrighted materials, such as computer software or media content.
You could just pull out the LTE/IoT module, and disconnect the service…
Whether that will have major down sides for the usability of the vehicle is the big question.
No, that won’t work.
Instead it will just store all the data locally and then upload it once it gets the airgap broken when the mechanic plugs it in.
The only safe solution here is to remove the sensors that collect the data. But I haven’t yet found aftermarket guides on how to do this with any major new car.
Indeed, how do we remove this too :(. Crazy how many hoops we have to jump on things we “own”
YouTube for disabling on various models. Data removal is another issue
Thanks, but that guy doesn’t sound like he knows what he was talking about.
He literally admitted that he had to get “information” from grok, and he never fact checked it.
There was no attempt to find or disable cameras, microphones, seat pressure sensors, etc. Those cars he “disabled” are probably still collecting all of the data and storing it locally. Just waiting for a dealer to plug it in to upload everything.
We really need just one person with car hacking skills to document how to disable the sensors (and then do a forensic analysis to confirm the data is no longer being collected). Then we’ll all have at least one privacy car.
The level of involvement here is going to largely depend on the vehicle and how many sensors/cameras and other crap the manufacturer shoved in the car. Something like a Tesla? The only viable way forward is to hack the onboard computers that collect and report the data, there’s just too many codependent systems.
Most other cars, the only cameras installed are ones that you can access, like reverse cameras, plus maybe one for Lane keep or something? Which isn’t facing the cabin, the only risk there is that someone will know that you’re driving on a road, and maybe get your location if they’re really good at Geo guesser, they get lucky with a road sign, or they have GPS info (which is more likely). Microphones, as far as I know the only cabin mic in most cars is for handsfree operation of phones and whatnot… Disabling that would ruin that functionality.
I’m sure there are cars that are more invasive on these fronts, but I dunno how much I’d want to bark up that tree.
For sensors, stuff like seat pressure sensors actually ties into SRS safety systems, so I’m not sure I’d want to mess with that. It could disable the passenger side airbag if the pressure switch is disabled… The driver side basically can’t be disabled, the car doesn’t go if there’s no driver, so even if the pressure switch is there and disabled, the SRS should still function. Belt sensors (to tell if the belts are fastened) all tie in here too.
A lot of the external sensors are either for adaptive cruise, driver awareness, or safety systems (like crash detection for SRS).
I’m just not sure going and unplugging a bunch of sensors is the way to go.
I would assume that the data collection would come from the CANbus, so it can operate without interfering with the functions of the car, or from the BCM/ECU or other various computers around the car directly.
If the monitoring device is independent of other systems, either remove it, or sabotage the connection between it and the CANbus. Should cover most of the data being collected.
Hoopty-ass shitmobile drivers unite!
well yes, it’s why I have a Chinese car, they don’t share my data with my government who are the ones that may want to hurt me.
What the fuck isn’t? Doesn’t even need to be connected to your WiFi. Devices can have cellular modems built into them now.
Cupra and VW in Australia offer no connected services, it’s by far the biggest complaint from their users :).
Toyota similarly, but they had a recall for a software upgrade recently so you needed to take it back in for a day Of course they maybe recording stuff and then do data dump when you get it serviced
We are all shocked
Completely astounded.
Who could have thought that a paying customer would become the product they’re selling to someone else.
:|
(/s if that’s not blatantly obvious)
