I’ve noticed this in many fantasy, horror and supernatural books. It doesn’t matter if the author is a man or a woman, they always write a scene that isn’t really important to the story and repeat it many times in their work for no reason.
I’ll give the examples and if you have read their books you’ll know what I’m talking about; George RR Martin, Stephen King, Diana Galdon.
As far as I know Lord of the rings is safe from this, tho I’m not sure because I haven’t read nor seen the movies due to a lack of female characters in the story, but I’m sure plenty of you can confirm.
Anyone else think this was going to be about Piers Anthony?
“I haven’t read nor seen the movies due to a lack of female characters in the story,” might be one of the most deranged things I’ve read this week.
Maybe to you, bitch
Name one woman in Lord of the Rings.
I mean, ignoring Éowyn, Galadriel, and Arwen.
And maybe also ignore Rosie Cotton, some of the other women hobbits that I can’t remember, or Shelob.
I bet you can’t. Check mate.
I think they should also add at least 6 female characters to the “12 angry men” remake.
Unrelated to your original question, and not something I particularly want or intend to disparage you over, or discuss further - each to their own and all that - but I’d just be wary of dismissing entire works purely based on your perception of how women are represented, without taking into account the society in which they were written and the worlds in which they were set - I think you’ll make your life poorer for it. If anything, why not read it to see if it confirms your original impression? Plus, as I’m sure you’re aware, in LOTR there are a number of powerful and plot vital female characters, including Galadriel, Éowyn and even Shelob :)
Girl, I’m just not reading something I can’t relate to. It’s so easy to say this when you’re a man and most of the fictional works are catering to you.
It’s entirely possible reading stuff you can’t relate to is how you come to be able to relate to it.
People are more than their gender, we can relate to each other on some many levels, so many ways, and we’re missing out on human connections of all kinds if that’s limited.
I adore the idea that Shelob is a powerful female character, and not just a monster
I’ll give the examples
Please do.
Daenerys Targaryen getting raped by Drogo and her liking it… She’s 14, with detailed descriprions of her boobs.
Outlander, a whole chapter of the male protagonist getting raped and tortured in explicit ways, the next chapter we start with the rape of a 10 year old boy also very explicit.
In IT there’s a kid’s gangbang, a group of boys taking turns on the only female protagonist.
Need anything else?
People put themselves into their work. It shouldn’t be surprising. I think if you broaden your quest you’ll find many “unimportant to the story” things besides fetishes repeated by many authors.
Things unimportant to the story make the story interesting. It’s the difference between reading a novelisation of something and the Wikipedia article - if you want the latter in fiction, just stick to Brando Sando!
So Stephen King writing about underage kids taking turns on the only female protagonist isn’t weird at all to you. Because unnecessary things add so much to the story.
Lol, Brando Sando has all his main characters obsessing over their own morality. That always seemed weird and mormon-esque.
Oh LotR wasn’t safe from this, Tolkien definitely had a thirst for those big hairy Hobbit feet.
Mate, you’re going to need to be specific because your third paragraph is a yellow flag and I’m curious what you think is a fetish now.
How is it a yellow flag…
Who else is going to write their fetishes?
You want something done right, you do it yourself! 😁
Not really? If you can, then why not?
(I don’t know the scenes you’re taking about though)
They’re not just any fetish, it usually involves non consensual stuff happening to people in specific ways and described in sexualized ways. In the case of George RR Martin he sometimes describes the r*pe of underage girls in a sexualized way, putting too much details in the description of their chests.
Ohhh, i thought it was going to be his obsession with peas porridge.
I see you have peas porridge for a brain
… George?
What’s Martin’s fetish?
Underage girls getting raped and eunuchs getting mutilated
It’s been a good time since I’ve done a reread but as I remember in the books Dany’s experiences with Drogo are unfortunately critical in forming her character. She’s essentially sold into slavery by her brother and it is the driving reason why she goes on an emancipation crusade across the continent. The first scene in the book is the most graphic and in the moment. From there on her abuse is increasingly alluded to without giving a specific play by play. And each time her POV is revisited, it’s of her carving out more room in that relationship by the limited means she’s afforded. I could see it if Martin was increasingly putting her in those situations, but Dany’s story is very much her insuring the she and no one else is put in that same predicament.
Writing a graphic scene depicting rape doesn’t necessarily make Martin a fetishist towards it. You take umbrage that there are sexual elements in the depiction, but it’s an act of sexual violence. It is both inherently sexual and violent. But what are the indications that it’s something Martin himself enjoyed?
Theon’s mutilation happens once. Varys exists as a eunuch, but it isn’t an event you visit.
Sorry, but I don’t see it as something Martin is revisiting over and over. If anything he’s removing his main character from those situations as the story progresses. Unless I’m forgetting a character other than Dany? I mean rape is an element in the books, but it’s only with Dany that you’re actually brought into the moment.
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Edging people.
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Like how Steven King wants to fuck middle school aged girls while everyone on earth urinates themselves simultaneously.
