This leftist versus liberal shit really needs to stop. I’m starting to think that it’s intentional propaganda to try to keep the left divided.
Liberals aren’t on the left. The left and liberals have always been divided because we have completely different, irreconciliable goals
Suck as fucking sharks?
Except liberals supporting capitalism and imperialism aren’t worth working with outside of single issue campaigns temporarily.
Liberalism isn’t left-wing. Well, maybe a little anti-king, but not enough to actually depose of them, so practically a little right-wing as well.
It’s not comparable to Communism/Socialism/AnachoCommunism/etc, which is (IMO) “proper” left-wing.
I’m a left-winger in so far that I want to get rid of our king. Kings come from Christendom, and Christianity is cringe. I’m a
Tribalist“Descendants Republican” (for a lack of a better term), not a Communist, mind you. I want parents in the “2e kamer”, and grand-parents in the “1e kamer”. No more singles that don’t need to look ahead 50 years. Also a limit on age: 70 should be fine, I think?I mean, i am willing to work with libs as long as our goals are aligned. But if they glaze a war criminal I will call them out
Our goals are aligned. The only difference as far as I can tell is that some leftists think they are part of a special club and act a lot like magats.
and liberals want capitalism and imperialism to continue so no not aligned.
Some liberals are just misinformed leftists who could be turned with education. Some are just right wingers who are embarrassed by open right wingers.
We can work with the former, not so much the latter.
The problem is it takes a while to figure out which is which.
This,
most liberals are just hatchling leftists
It’s really interesting. The rhetoric of liberalism is like 80-90% just leftism. Freedom, democracy, equality, justice, treating people kindly, etc. They straight up teach it to you in schools. The seeds are there. The problem is that it lacks class analysis and hides or twists the ways in which liberalism doesn’t actually do any of that stuff. So people end up believing that the countries which actively stand in the way of these principles are actually the ones upholding them. It takes a lot of evidence to show people that the bad things we’ve done aren’t just isolated incidents, but part of a pattern that naturally arises from the system.
The problem is not taking the time to figure it out is letting conservatives win.
100% agree. It’s still something we need to at least try, it’s just hard and understandable why it can frustrate people.
How are the goals aligned if you’re willing to glaze war criminals?
Liberals are objectively maga-lite unlike the way you’re trying to frame it. They were very well cheering for genocide-lite so they could keep their status quo.
Liberals have made it abundantly clear they are more close to the right than the center.
The vanguard has always been thus.
You have the problem with them. Let it go.
Its not propaganda. It’s 300 years of human history. 300 years of liberals murdering leftits.
Could you drop a few examples?
Of liberals murdering leftists? How far back do you want me to go? Gracchus Babeuf? Adolphe Thiers? 1846? How about the school of the Americas?
lets say 300 years or so
Yes.
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Yeah I don’t know what OP is, but it’s well suspicious that they start more threads than they actually comment in, and post baffling captions like this. Can’t decide between bot or just a teenage edgelord
Of all the things to complain about, the Obama Presidential Library, which is a public amenity designed to be utilized by the underserved community on the south side of Chicago, is really fucking low on the list.
OP is also applying divisive politial labels to an image that is for the most part apolitical.
Libraries, public/private capital, public space, access to housing, presidential legacies are absolutely political topics.
divisive
agree an that part tho
apolitical
Obama presidential library
???
an image that is for the most part apolitical
I’m surprised the image is political at all
🤫“architecture”
how fuck in the head does a person have to be to feel a presidential library is political
For the “underserved” of the south side yet built on an already existing public park…
Designed to gentrify an under-served community. You think they’ll be able to afford rent next to the Obama temple?
wait until they ask how many people they can house with the money they spent on the war. or by taxing billionaires.
we have the resources for everyone to live a comfortable life. but the people in power want workers. and they artificially create scarcity to motivate workers…
I like how Obama prosecuted Abu grabe torture whistleblowers under the espionage act that was awesome
Let’s spend all our effort stopping Obama from building something that helps working class people. You .ml losers spend way more time and energy trying to stop good but not perfect things than you do during to stop actual fascists. It really makes you wonder what your agenda really is.
I remember when Real-ID was being proposed. I was dead set against and volunteered with groups calling voters, going door to door etc.
One day some Mormons came knocking and before I could speak they specifically pitched that the Government was about to institute the Mark of the Beast.
I was elated; I had the governor’s feedback phone number on speed dial and asked them to take 30 seconds and leave him a voicemail saying “don’t do that”
They flatly refused, because they “don’t get involved in Earthly politics”
To told them to get the fuck off my property
Sounds about right lol
Yeah, and now trying to paint himself a man of taste and knowledge, spirited mind bullshit.
What if an erudite good person is a poor President specically in terms of managing foreign adversaries?
How about this $300 billion “please stop humiliating me Iran” fund?
$850mil is like… five houses. So I think this was a better usage of money.
How much could a banana cost
This gotta be a joke right?
It’s pretty clearly a joke about the highly inflated housing costs. Sorry my humor is too high brow for you (*ᴗ͈ˬᴗ͈)ꕤ*.ﾟ
Sorry, am not good at reading others :<
You’re forgiven because it felt cathartic acting like a 2014 toxic tumblr user for a moment.
Even one house would have been better than a monument to the guy who drone striked children
…you’re joking right?
The thing is they built this place on top of a park that already existed. Basically 90% of the people on the south side hate this building because it was forced on them and it adds nothing new to their part of town except gentrification.
given all that is going on this is a minor thing, but the fuck is going on with Americans building temples and monuments to functionaries?
Yhea, in theory they are libraries and open for the community, but in reality, they are temples commemorating war criminals
Here, if you’re really interested. Their main purpose is to give the public access to their records and papers so they can’t just hide them in a bathroom
Cant they just upload them on a website?
Yes, and in this case they actually did. The Barack Obama Presidential Library is a fully online library. The center is a separate monument.
I like Obama, but honestly I am not wild about this. Presidential libraries don’t need to be opulent monuments. And the amount of private money going into them is an avenue for corruption.
They think they’re Roman.
which one is the liberal and which one is the leftist?
It doesn’t matter. The point is infighting
My suspicion is that it’s not even that originally; there’s a certain type of right-winger who feigns to champion progressive values to try making the left look like hypocrites.
its not infighting when we have vastly contradicting means and ends.
There is no infighting when there is no actual in-group.
Assuming a 3-bedroom house, at average home prices in major cities(Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, et cetera), something like 2.5 thousand houses housing 7.25 thousand people.
Wouldn’t actually help to build them though, since we already have enough housing. A good portion of homeless are mentally ill, on hard drugs, previously trafficked or governmentally shafted people, or just too poor. The houses are there, there are literally whole sky-scraper apartments in New York that are empty. Whole urban sprawls that have been empty for years now.
We aren’t like Japan here in the US where just making the houses depreciate instead of appreciate will fix the problem. Its like 3 much bigger problems wearing the trench-coat of one problem.
There aren’t enough houses where people want to live. There are plenty of dirt cheap houses in rural nowhere with no jobs within a four hour drive. There are plenty of empty second homes in developments with no access to any public transit or services that would be unlivable to poor people even if we gave them the houses for free. There are few enough empty units in New York and the like that the owners reasonably believe they can, with patience and strategy, rent them out or sell for a profit.
A significant chunk of homeless people, the “chronically homeless”, have the challenges you referenced and are difficult to support into stable housing. But the majority of homeless people, the “transiently homeless”, are just poor and had one too many hard knocks to be able to hold onto their housing unit. With the high cost of housing - driven by unit shortage where they live - being one of those knocks.
Green here reads more like a conservative person making a bad faith argument by pretending to be über-progressive.
Agree with the sentiment, but let’s stop dipping into culture projects until we start slashing funding for a global imperialism project, eh?
aye
Testament to how private wealth isn’t helping the homeless either.
Libraries can help the homeless by providing access to resources they don’t get elsewhere. Email, internet, entertainment, water, bathrooms etc. The park is also a nice addition for everyone I assume.
It’s a lot more of a positive investment than missiles and AI at least
The homeless have problems, but I’m not sure they represent the highest and greatest need for humanity to focus on.
