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      It’s propaganda poisoning all the way down.

      The Russians, the Americans, and the Brits are all choking on their version of Nationalist Exceptionalism as all three countries nosedive.

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    Russia is the perfect country for the MAGA fucknuts. I’m surprised Ben is not serving as canon fodder on the front. 224 idiot Germans moved to Russia, WTF! Stay there and do not return.

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    At the time, he believed Russia offered an attractive alternative: a society built on Christian faith and family values

    As the bible says: Give birth to as many children as possible, so that your corrupt leader can send them to war.

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    This article inspired me to check and Teddy Boy Greg (the disgruntled white power barber with a ton of ridiculous facial tattoos who moved to Russia to get away from what he called “degenerates”) has recently died in Ukraine

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      White supremacist died fighting Russia’s war against… checks notes… alleged neo-Nazis? Dude wasn’t blessed with an overabundance of critical thinking.

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        checks notes… alleged neo-Nazis

        Allow me to present this handy guide:

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        One of the interesting things about their propaganda style (which unfortunately is spreading elsewhere…) is that they will spin up entirely different conflicting narratives and even have people arguing between them on their platforms. This is because if they stick to just one kind of narrative, it can only find purchase with the particular sort of audience it’s geared to and will probably fail elsewhere. But if they spin up a ton of different narratives from various mouthpieces geared to many different audiences and blast them unceasingly, then there are still plenty of other hooks to potentially catch a listener even if some are definitely flubs. And if there’s mass confusion in what you actually stand for with all sorts of contradictory statements constantly in the churn of being advanced or withdrawn and defended or blasted, then past a certain point people just kind of give up in the face of the background noise and believe whatever they want rather than if everyone were more closely keeping track of the same smaller and simpler narrative. Part of the reason why they have numerous controlled opposition parties.

        So to people who hate nazis they indeed target a constant barrage of “WE ARE FIGHTING UKRONAZIS” content as justification. This guy however was part of a different stream pulled in by the presentation of Russia as a stern conservative defender of traditional values against the wokeness of the decadent west.

        The barbershop pole on his nose got me every time lmao

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          Plenty of white nationalists among the domestic elite. It’s practically a prerequisite to join certain social clubs and fraternities.

          But white supremacy isn’t just a belief, it’s a goal. Plenty of very smart, savvy, and committed individuals are working overtime to jam their collective boots on our necks.

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    I’m entirely in favor of a program that promotes the voluntary exit of xenophobic reactionary cunts from the US, as long as we can come up with some way to not let them return after it inevitably all goes to shit for them.

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    Ilja Belobragin, general managing partner at Move To Russia, a company which helps foreigners relocate to Russia, says something he frequently hears from his clients is that they “don’t recognise the community around me anymore”.

    Some prospective migrants complain about high immigration in their own countries or what they see as declining living standards, he says.

    Let’s break this down: The people say they “don’t recognise the community around [them] anymore” because of “high immigration”, so they decide to become an immigrant surrounded by people of a different nationality than them.

    As I see it, this is for one specific reason only: I don’t believe it’s the different cultural values from immigration that bothers them (they are literally moving into a wholly foreign culture; although I’m sure the Orthodox church gives some perverse appeal), but I believe they are bothered by ethnicity/skin colour. I believe these people are racists more than they are xenophobes.

    I believe, for these people, Russia is a better alternative only because they have a certain perception of white-skinned Russians. I don’t think these people are aware of places like Tuva, or Yakutia, or Chechnya - and I don’t think they would ever visit those places. To say their quiet part out loud, I think these “conservatives” are just people who are white supremacists, moving because it’s a “white country” in their eyes, and thinking all white people have some shared essence. This is how they can justify to themselves being a foreigner in a foreign land. How else could they justify it to themselves?

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        Someone who is homophobic has two choices:

        1. Leave behind everything you own and know to go live as an immigrant in a foreign country where you don’t speak the language or understand the customs.
        2. Don’t have gay sex.

        Gay sex must be really good.

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          A lot of these people have kids they take with them and usually they claim stuff like the government is teaching gay sex in schools.

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        Russia’s been running a massive propaganda campaign in Europe and the US for more than a decade. Including slandering the LGBT and trying to associate them with illegal activities, promoting Christian orthodoxy over atheism, depicting Europe as degenerate and failing, demonizing immigrants and trying to frame them as criminals etc.

        The people who move to Russia thinking they are upgrading their lives are few according to this article, but I’m still surprised by how these people completely ignored how authoritarian and destitute that country is. Germans moving to Russia thinking it’s the better place to be is a huge propaganda victory for the latter.

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          We’ll have none of that gay stuff in my house.

          Now, where should I hang my framed copy of this?

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      they “don’t recognise the community around me anymore”.

      I think that’s a narrative implanted in their brains by conservatives: too many brownskinned people, danger danger danger.
      Just like Russia deliberately creates the narrative that they offer an alternative, conveniently ignoring the multicultural nature of Russia - and the obvious conflict of becoming an immigrant yourself.

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    it just constantly boggles my mind how mentally ill people (Leo clearly has some form of mental illness) and truly idiotic people (again, applies to Leo) always seem to have enough money to just blow away like this. Meanwhile intelligent and sane individuals are barely scraping by.

    I mean i’m comfortable in life, more than comfortable, but i don’t have “move to another country simply because I hate a particular thing in society” money.

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      I also think people with the mental caliber of Leo don’t think of consequences when they spend their money, so it’s possible he sold everything he owns and built debt to leave.

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        “Sure, I’ll borrow $100k. Good luck collecting when I’m in Russia!”

        Honestly, getting rid of them for $100k is probably a bargain.

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      I mean he moved there and was immediately scammed out of his life savings so… you’re spot on lmao

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    1. Not really very different to the promises of great new lives made to people joining ISIS
    2. Oh the irony of becoming a migrant elsewhere whilst complaining about migrants at home.
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      Nonono, he is not an immigrant, he is an expat. HUGE difference! Just ask the British pensioners in Spain and southern France!

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        Ah yes, I know a few of those including a family we grew up with. After moving to Cyprus they became quite the voice about how terribly it was going in the UK. Piss heads

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        A lot of the Brits in Spain have been leaving because the Spanish have cracked down on tax-dodging, and because Brits lost their freedom of movement in the EU when they voted for Brexit. And the expats are whining like mad about it.

        Meanwhile, I know some people who’ve moved to Spain and Portugal, learned the language, assimilated and gotten the passport, instead of living in a soulless monolingual enclave, quaffing Spanish champagne, creeping on their neighbors’ wives and cultivating their melanoma like the Costa del Sol bunch.

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    Some prospective migrants complain about high immigration in their own countries or what they see as declining living standards, he says.

    Worried about immigration and poor living standards? Become an immigrant in Russia! Conservatives aren’t great at thinking things through.

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      Yep, and please prevent them from ever coming back. May they rot in Russia.

      What about the Russians already there?

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        They stay there. Those who wanted really to leave, left. Or did your forget about the traffic at the frontier to Finland or to Georgia or to Turkey or to … BTW, looking at Romania, Poland and their revolution against the « communistic » regimes, well, that was some chuzpe, which unfortunately I cannot see in Russia.