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    My neighborhood went community mailbox 10yrs ago and we are fine. They will still deliver home mail to folks who are not fit to venture out of their houses. Breathe. We can get through this, post fam.

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      My last house had a community mailbox. Current house has door to door. I have setup an automation using a window sensor that sends a notice to my phone when I get mail. I’m sure I’ll survive without that.

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    This always seems to be a passionate topic, I find it pretty rare these days to actually receive anything important. 9/10 times its just garbage.

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      Heres why i see it still relevent. CRA mailings to a registered address as a 2FA method. Court notices served by mail. Some old folks can’t cope with computers and email. Parcels from other countries- I just got one Friday in my mailbox. Also used as proof of address for bank account, citizenship apps, etc. Strata documents are required to notify via paper mail.

      I’m sure there are many more scenarios that I haven’t directly encountered

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        It’s not like they won’t get any mail at all. They just have to go down the block to a community mailbox.

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          Yes, which they open with a key. Not exactly a fortress of security but at least a modicum more secure than a mailbox by someone’s front door, or worse, leaving the mail on the porch right in front of the door.

          The only issue is for older folks or people with disabilities that limit their mobility. Thankfully, Canada Post already has delivery accommodation services for people who need them, including home delivery.

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      Services don’t need to be wasteful.

      Daily mail delivery became redundant 20 years ago.

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        Heres why i see it still relevent. CRA mailings to a registered address as a 2FA method. Court notices served by mail. Some old folks can’t cope with computers and email. Parcels from other countries- I just got one Friday in my mailbox. Also used as proof of address for bank account, citizenship apps, etc. Strata documents are required to notify via paper mail.

        I’m sure there are many more that I haven’t directly encountered.

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          Yeah, it’s unclear if OP meant just daily delivery or mail in general, but there are still a lot of things that want snail mail.

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      The German postal service, Deutsche Post AG, reported a revenue of €83.43 billion in 2025, which reflects a slight decrease of 1.58% compared to the previous year. However, the operating profit (EBIT) was €6.1 billion, indicating a profit-making performance despite the revenue decline. This suggests that while the postal service is making a profit, it is not significantly impacted by the overall revenue decrease.

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          Are you suggesting it costs more to deliver a letter in Canada? Why shouldn’t the price cover the costs?

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            Yes, it is more expensive to deliver an average letter or parcel in Canada than it is in Germany. Even for locations that are accessible by road, the average fuel cost is much higher. (We won’t even talk about what it takes to get a letter to, say, Iqaluit, or anywhere else that’s only accessible by air for part or all of the year.)

            Raising the price of sending postal mail disproportionately affects people in remote areas who have no alternative, because courier services won’t go there. Many of those people are Indigenous, which opens a whole can of political worms. Most of them are also poor, making it difficult for them to afford the raised prices. Result: Lawsuits. Lots and lots of lawsuits.

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        As per rfc2119 there is a difference between MAY be profitable and MUST be profitable.

        And I’d argue it SHOULD NOT be profitable, since that’s a measure of how much it’s over-charging for what is a basic need (even for those who don’t realize it is).

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    I’m honestly concerned by the amount of comments in this short comment section that suggests many of you do not actually know what Canada Post is. The reason they value profit imperatives is that, as a crown corporation, Canada Post is a neoliberal response to the success and increasing costs of public services in the mid- to late-twentieth century. Even though it is state owned and operated, it is fundamentally founded on the notion that business-based decision making is a more “efficient” and therefore less costly way to organize a system. This is wrong, obviously, but the consequence of that is we are forced to protect Canada Post as it does actually exist as the only publicly-owned postal service in Canada and is therefore crucial to protecting vulnerable communities from exploitatively expensive access to a basic need like the mail is. They talk about cost-saving measures as they ultimately view this as a revenue stream that has effectively appropriated what ought to be a public service in the way that healthcare and education is (I’m sure you can all relate this to the trajectory that those public services have also taken in the past fifty years).

    Basic sources that you should read if you’re uninformed on this:

    https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/crown-corporation

    https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/canada-post-corporation

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Post

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purolator_Inc. (Purolator is also known to have worse labour conditions than Canada Post, and handles much of their package delivery traffic)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast (not directly related to Canada Post, but rather the overall privatization of public services and works)

    Klein, Naomi. The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism (2007).

    Jones, Gareth Stedman. The Political Theory of Neoliberalism. (2013).

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      If they dissolved the crown corporation and made it part of some ministry again, I doubt much would change.

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      vulnerable communities from exploitatively expensive access to a basic need like the mail is

      Basic need for what? Real estate sales flyers?

      You lost my attention at Naomi Klein and her Volvo Socialists.

      Our government has better things to spend our money on.

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        Yeah, giving somebody’s personal manifesto as a source is always a bad sign. I don’t care if it’s Naomi Klein or Ayn Rand. TBF I learned a bit about the history anyway.

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        This seriously reads like some misinformation bot.

        Explain to us all why you think it’s a good idea to require people to use online services for their taxes, voting ballots, banking and credit documentation (any bills really), medical correspondence, etc. You never thought about guaranteeing your right to not disclose to the state that you’re disabled when you don’t have to, since you should be guaranteed this service anyway? Is there a reason you’re okay with the state treating what ought to be a public service like it’s a business? Did you have some lapse in object permanence and forget that other human beings exist and do things that you do not do?

        Complete bootlicker vibes from you. They steal our money to give to corporations, and here you are begging for even less to go to you, spineless.

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      You sound like a very smart person.

      Now explain how talking in an arrogant tone and sprinkling in as much jargon as possible into your speech is going to get the working class on board with your little movement.

      Or do you think a socialist movement can be successful without the working class?

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        The weird thing it that the most socialist stratum by far now (the upper middle class) is also the one that owns most of the capital.

        The lower class is getting more and more right-wing, if anything. It’s definitely a new age.

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      Using what criteria are you comparing the postal service to public education or healthcare?

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        The post office is the initial technology of the government for communication and low scale cargo connectivity. It acts as a conduit between a people and its government. It is often the first presence of sovereignty in any country since it shows that the settlement is connected to the rest of a country.

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            What’s important is that there is some form of public service communication that everyone can access. The mail is safe to deprecate if and only if internet access is a public service instead: if every person gets a computer or smartphone with an internet connection for free.

            That would honestly be a great system, but that’s not one Canadians have. So the post should stay.

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              When was the last time you used canada post for communication? Even my 86 yr old friend uses email. Libraries have internet access, so it already is a free public service. I support Canada Post staying, but only if the people that use it pay for the cost.

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                Friday I got a parcel from China in my mailbox, because it was sent via normal mail, not UPS/FedEx.

                My daughter was opening a bank account with a partner, they needed ID and a utility bill that had the mailing address printed on it. Paper address mailings are also used for citizenship and other matters as a way to help ensure you are in the country and picking up mail, rather than online fraud.

                For CRA password account reset they paper mail you a code to stop online scams.

                Court notice papers can legit be served by mail.

                My strata ( by law ) has to mail certain documents like AGM info to residents, as electronic notification doesn’t count for some specific things.

                And so on.

                As for your e savvy person. Great. My my old aunts don’t have a cell phone or computer.

                Also say you can’t afford and ISP, you can’t get electronic info at home, but mail comes free

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                Any government related communication like related to healthcare, driving licence, passport, etc. Insurances still send the physical contract by mail. Financial institutions also send by mail important documents. Most of these could be done electronically, but they are not.

                The main issue is that our mail is polluted by all sorts of garbage publicity from different companies. Those should cost way way more to do. That way, we can reduce the need for evey mail delivery person to go to each door like they do now.

                Looks like my address will be converted and having known both systems, I much prefer having a mail delivery person come to my home. It’s a more personalized relation and he cares about us. It’s just not the same with a community mailbox.

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                  Canada Post has gone from delivering over 5.5B letters in 2006 to less than 1/2 that in 2025, with no sign in sight of that trend reversing. Canada Post shouldn’t be a make work program, or a feel good program. The system should reflect the need it is addressing.

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                  I’m getting downvoted for ideology. Noting that mail delivery has fallen to an average of 2 letters per week per household, with no significant reduction in mail carriers doesn’t mean anything because their position isn’t based on fact.

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                Not everywhere has a library though, and not everyone can afford a phone or pc, so what to do about those people who do need the mail?

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                I mail in my votes, and Canada Post handles those. I would not trust any digital voting system.

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          Then your criteria make no sense. Just because it is state owned does not mean it has to operate at a loss. It is providing a service to businesses, and persons. I don’t want taxpayers to subsidize businesses - let them pay what it costs. The other stuff you wrote sounds like word salad.

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            You are only viewing this as a business. Not a public service. Private delivery companies can refuse to deliver for any reason. Now, let’s take this into the context of sensitive parcels or mail-in voting. How do you know for sure that this future version of delivery will deliver it in good faith when it is in the hands of private control? Laws, rules and legislation be damned even if they exist for when there are high stakes things involved we know there is risk of cheating (like elections). Why would you even want to invite such a risk? We also know that the government are incredibly bad at keeping public data secure - so I wouldn’t count on a fully electronic voting system.

            Look at what electronic payment providers (Visa and Mastercard) have done to artists and indie developers. They are being deplatformed simply because under the eyes of these payment processors, they do not fit their broad and obscure guidelines, when the hosting platform (Steam and Patreon for example) and laws itself allows for such content. Under a neutral payment processor this wouldn’t have happened. People’s lives and income streams would collapse overnight.

            Now look at media companies, are you also suggesting that CBC should be sold off and privatized when it’s obvious that every private media company out there is out to push their version of propaganda and bias? Last I checked CBC doesn’t make money either.

            Using modern technology to fill in much of the services, while viable, is simply not a complete solution and it invites more risk than necessary.

            The cost for sending parcels domestically is relatively cheap only because we are collectively subsidizing it - which in turn every Canadian actually benefits from this. This anchors the prices of parcel delivery among the private ones to stay relatively close to Canada Post’s prices. You, in fact, benefit from this. Canada’s population simply cannot be compared to many other country’s postal rates because we do not have the population density for cheaper rates. What makes it worse is that Canada Post doesn’t have the right of first refusal for any kind of mail or parcel delivery.

            Your frustration with Canada Post should be directed at the series of federal governments that even let this happen in the first place when Canada Post itself have been telling the feds that they need to change their mandate for it to be more solvent.

            Maybe you should also look into the cost of operating public transit, why Canada doesn’t have a robust passenger rail network, and the duopoly of Air Canada and WestJet.

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    If it really is much cheaper to have community mailboxes, then they should convert everyone in Canada to them. I’ve only ever had a community mailbox and it is a perfectly reasonable way for me to get my mail.

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      No, mobility impaired and elderly people should be able to continue getting their mail to their door.

      This is a service that should be reliable and accessible for everyone. Cost savings aren’t more valuable than that.

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        People shouldn’t be guaranteed home delivery because of their address.

        There should be community mailboxes as a standard and then if you have a mobility issue you apply for home delivery.

        At the moment there are many people who aren’t impaired that get home delivery who don’t really need it and cost tax payers more money. Those resources should be directed to those that need it on a case by case basis.

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            cost is a perfectly valid reason.

            yes, public services don’t need to generate profits, but that doesn’t mean it’s reasonable for public services to squander public finances.

            home mail delivery for everyone adds very little extra value for a lot of extra cost.

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              Is it? Does reliable, secure ID delivery really have “little extra value”?

              If you don’t value what you get out of mail, it doesn’t mean it’s not valuable.

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                Is it? Does reliable, secure ID delivery really have “little extra value”?

                Home mail delivery isn’t secure ID though, and most mail doesn’t require that in the first place. And when it is necessary it’s still available.

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    99% of what arrives in my mailbox today is spam. Personally if Canada Post disappeared I wouldn’t miss it.

    I just think there should be a way of delivering mail te home just for the people who need it. Old, disabled, remote locations… I can walk 100m to my community mailbox and empty it in the trash right next to it. But many can’t.

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      If you leave a note in your empty mailbox your carrier will probably add you to the no junk mail list. Or call CP and ask for it.

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      We get a bunch of mail that isnt spam and I would greatly miss canada post

      But yes don’t mind having neighbourhood mailboxes. Even if they were much further apart.

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      A nice life hack to know, straight from the Canada Post website:

      How to stop receiving unaddressed advertising mail

      To stop receiving unaddressed advertising mail, simply put a note on your mailbox stating that you do not wish to receive it. Place the note in or on your mailbox where your delivery agent can see it, or on the inside lip of your community mailbox, group mailbox or postal box.

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      Reread your own comment dude, ffs. The post service is the way that we deliver mail to the people who need it. You’re saying you don’t want that guaranteed and also want the state to determine who is and is not “deserving” enough to receive their mail with the money everyone pays into the system. Can you explain why you’d prefer people be forced to report their disabilities to the state in the hopes that they’ll be able to receive their bills, tax and voting documents, ID registration/renewal forms, or whatever kind of crucial mail that they’d require to make their lives easier in this shit system over you being mildly annoyed by ads that you can request an end to anyway? Is it the unionized jobs that you hate? Fuck’s sake.

      This is the kind of person who votes in neolibs because they don’t have the object permanence to understand what happens when you make a system more “efficient.” People like this are why they’re cutting 500k addresses.

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      I prefer Canada Post parcel deliveries over any other company, tbh. Having dedicated boxes to safekeep my parcel is awesome.

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        Pretty great to also know the delivery driver is actually paid and has access to a washroom if need be.

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        I live on my own, and so rarely is anyone home to get package deliveries, so Canada Post having the option to use their location as an RPO for things like Amazon and Ebay is a lifesaver for me rather than having it dumped on my porch.

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        Okay, do you see how this may be an issue when primary care is infamously difficult to access and that it creates a condition that people disclose disabilities to the state just to ensure that they can receive their mail? This is for community mailboxes, but it does reiterate a precedent that is harmful to particular vulnerable groups and diminishes the notion that a mail service is something you’re guaranteed access to by the state.

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          In all honesty, no. I did not consider the latter. It’s a good point, and my previous comment was only intended to point out that there are provisions for those who work within the system.

          However, I often forget that the system does not apply its benefits equally. In an ideal situation, you should be able to disclose a disability to a government with the knowledge and assuredness that leads to support. But yes, more often than not it leads to discrimination and denial of services instead.

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        That would be Canada Post, it’s a crown corp. One of the biggest issues with neoliberalism is its simultaneous erosion of public works and extraction of public wealth in service of privatization or, in Canada, “mixed” economics that value business-brained short-term decision making as a form of efficiency. The state recognizes Canada Post as a public service that is organized like a private corporation for efficiency and sustainability, it was reorganized in the 1980s (when neoliberalism emerged) in direct response to the power of labour unions and increasing expense of the public service.

        The reason why they call this state-owned is to alter the meaning of “public.” This is what you’re gonna get as a public solution in Canada so long as we let capitalist imperatives dictate our decision-making.

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            You are living in the consequences of the politics that sought reform over change. I don’t feel as confident continuing that course of action as many of you seem to.

            Normally, people arrive at what you’ve just said when they don’t fully understand the gravity of these things relative to the time and resources we have to actually build something better.

        • I’m so fucking tired of neoliberals. At least with conservatives you know where they stand. Neoliberals pretend to be progressive while acting as fascism’s PR team. All they do is fight leftists and set the stage for the next fascist takeover.

          If you don’t stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything

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            That’s just how liberalism has always functioned. It is fundamentally a settler-colonial set of politics that seeks to objectify human action as commodity; any claim to social justice is a result of forced concessions and long-term appropriation tactics. Neoliberals do not pretend to be progressive, they use language that they know will appeal to liberals who are too illiterate to understand their own bigoted internalized values. Conservatives (the PC party as well as conservatism in the twenty-first century) are not fundamentally opposed to liberalism’s basis of hierarchal material wealth and capitalist economics, they mostly differ in the audiences they target.

            Fascism and liberalism are also not fundamentally opposed by any means, and fascism is more accurately described as a liberal tool than anything else since one is far more durable than the other. It is a philosophy that depends on the subordination of other groups to exist and the creation of an arbitrary privileged group to benefit from that subordination (such as how poor white men will confuse their racial and gender identity as a level of solidarity with wealthy white men and how whiteness can shift depending on how it benefits the maintenance of this hierarchy). Liberalism emerged out of white-supremacist, patriarchal settler-colonial states and very much still operates under the imperatives created by that social order, which is where fascists get their notions of race and gender from and why their criticisms of liberalism are more often oriented around its failure to effectively benefit naturalized privileged groups like men and white men especially. It’s more difficult to explain how these ideologies are different and yet cooperate in a nearly identical way as seen in Germany, Italy, and Spain during the early- to mid-twentieth century than it is to identify their common material interests and motivations.

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      Wow, there it is…the dumbest comment I’ve read today.

      Perfectly opinionated, shares a problem that’s easily solvable but blames it on Canada Post, and so moronically wrong.

      🏆 Here’s your award, friend.