June 10, 202612:07 PM EDT:
WASHINGTON, June 10 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that he might not renew the USMCA free trade deal with Canada and Mexico. Speaking at the White House, the president said he was discussing the matter with Mexican and Canadian leaders.
Reporting by Bo Erickson and Gram Slattery; Editing by Doina Chiacu
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Almost certainly the dumbest president the USA has ever had.
MCA it is then.
“The three countries need to approve a renewal of their existing agreement by July 1 or signal their intention to exit the pact, a process that would take 10 years and would buy time for alterations.”
I feel like nobody is understanding this part
Today’s edition of: Trump Said Something Dumb Again For Attention
More like market manipulation for personal gain.
It was and still is the most obvious conclusion of this struggle. He’s a person who hates free trade, and it’s a free trade agreement.
The game for our federal government has basically been to trick him into signing on anyway, or at least delay him leaving.
And we need to steel ourselves for the “CARNEY DID IT - TINY PP WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT HOME NOW WE CAN’T HAVE KRISPY KREME AND CHICK-FIL-A …” - I think people don’t fully appreciate that the only way to divest ourselves from Trump’s insanity and vagaries w.r.t. oh anything is to make new friends, new alliances, and accept the extreme difficulty that comes with that which means Depression-era relief and strong investment in other partners and no, this won’t bear fruit in one election cycle or even one quarter, not even in one year. In today’s misinformation hellhole people literally hang on to every even vague word and go into a rage if their cable bill isn’t lowered. There’s no easy way to do this.
You do realize that 75% of our exports go to the US. You can’t just do a 180 and replace that - it will take years and throw Canada into a recession. This isn’t about your disney bill, this is about 10’s of thousands of jobs.
Why bother reporting what Trump says? It’s not usable information unless it’s said to manipulate markets.
But it was said to manipulate markets…
Hmm, are you actually trading on this, then?
I’ve been looking at oil futures actually believing Trump, and then correcting back when he’s full of shit, and thinking maybe this is a rare case where the market could be timed.
Oh, god, don’t trade on anything he says. The trades have already happened, they could be lining up a short right after selling their longs, or vice versa, and then he’ll say something else to send it in the opposite direction.
That would be cataclysmic for the economy of all three nations. Truly an unforced error. I really think it’s just bluster though.
So what you’re saying is we should all be preparing for the worst because doing the absolute worst most self-destructive thing possible is exactly what Trump does in almost every circumstance and always has.
Yes regardless of bluster or not we should be divesting from US trade and diversifying with other partners.
It’s not bluster, the moron wants to end free trade with everyone in favour of his tariff regime.
He’s saying it because he thinks he can get more concessions from both countries if he threatens to tank the deal.
It’s like negotiating with a terrorist. It is all in bad faith and his goal is to terrorize, not make a deal. His deals are not even worth the paper they are printed on. We should tell them to pound sand, they will only make a deal that is a zero-sum where they are in the positive.
Particularly Mexico. We have options, at least.
CUSMA is going away and while business won’t end between the US and Canada, it will plummet. Look to CETA/CPTPP/MERCOSUR, and our other FTA’s for growth. Alter your supply chains away from the US, reduce the pressure point leverage they have. Don’t view this as doom and gloom, but as a time to pivot and woo the opportunities the US chases away. We have what the world needs.
And Canada cheered, hopefully our politicians are able to find a way out of it before that though.
MCA it is.
Like the TPP, the problems went away as soon as the US left.
There’s your problem, the subject and verb in that sentence never align
While this would be pretty awful in the short term, both Canada and the US would greatly benefit long term from bringing heavy manufacturing back to each respective country from Mexico. Mexico would be pretty fucked though, since they’ve been the primary beneficiary of both NAFTA and USMCA (comparatively, excluding us companies.)
So basically, you agree with Trump. When you buy stuff from a foreign country you’re losing.
In this instance, I agree with the affectation he has decided to cosplay for entirely different reasons against the advice of all of his corporate masters.
When you buy from a foreign country what can be made in your country, you are directly causing the loss of well-paid jobs in your country, and aiding the exploitation of a developing country (statistically.)
There’s a reason China has done so well while the entirety of the western world has become worse for the average inhabitant. Every time a job is outsourced, every time you buy that foreign thing that could’ve been made at home, you are directly enriching another country and that money will never be seen in your country ever again. You do that enough times and hey, you have stretches of countryside full of small ghost towns that decayed after the employer had to shut down, and no social mobility.
One could argue, but it’d basically be repeating all the same free trade debates that have happened in the past. Anyone unfamiliar with the usual counterargument can search “balance of payments” or “comparative advantage”. TL;DR, it has to do with how those Canadian dollars you spent on whatever exporter eventually come back to the mint.
What might be news to people, since you mentioned it, is that China’s had a more severe K-shaped economy since about 2000. Sure, they have manufacturing jobs… that you’ll never, ever work your way out of. And then a few million people out of 1.5 billion who have the connections, and can afford a Western-ish style of living.
Except the purpose isn’t social mobility for most Chinese people. Remember the ‘躺平’ ‘lie flat’ propaganda movement the west loved talking about a few years ago? Yeah that wasn’t new, or temporary, nor did it ever go away (and no it’s not illegal). That’s just how most Chinese people have been seeing life after getting up to ‘western’ standards (I would argue a roof, consistent meals, cheap electronics, and free healthcare is closer to the western standard than not, and that covers ~900 million people.) Yes there is a rising upper middle and upper class, but also the living standards of the bottom 50% are better than more than 150 countries and that’s rising just about as quickly.
These facts skew the traditional western reporting of economic health, because western economists assume everyone wants to grow infinitely, and that’s just not the case.
Suuure. Chinese people enjoy the fact that all the money is going to their rich. /s
and [lower income Chinese standards are] rising just about as quickly.
No, they’re not, that’s what K-shaped means.
would either of you care to share unbiased evidence supporting your statements?
Manufacturing wages sit at 113.5K CNY. Purchase power parity factor is 3.53. That means those wages are equivalent to what US $32K per year buys you in the US. The trend is for this to grow 4-6% per year. Don’t know if Chinese welfare and high housing ownership is factored in.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/wages-in-manufacturing https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/PA.NUS.PPP?locations=CN
K-shaped means the bottom half (or some large threshold) is getting poorer. China’s bottom half appears to have rapidly growing real wages, while the top is growing faster. Most western bottom halves were fine with this arrangement, until their real wages stopped growing in the 70-80s.
I’m not super happy with either scenario but there’s a reason the majority was okay with it for decades. That was the whole deal in the New Deal.
Suuure. Chinese people enjoy the fact that all the money is going to their rich. /s
Not what I said, I did say they enjoy owning their own home, basically ensuring they will never be homeless since there’s no property taxes after the property is purchased, and they do enjoy the welfare system that allows them to eat and enjoy their free time regardless of their current employment status.
No, they’re not, that’s what K-shaped means.
Then whatever propaganda rag you got your information from is outdated as of 2023, but I think you kinda know that.
