One side aligns with my views 70% of the time. The other actively wants me and everyone like me to die. I refuse to acknowledge the differences between them. I’ll actually deploy this lack of understanding as a weapon to depress voter turnout and make sure the second group gets to wield power!
Do you not care about GENOCIDE???
/s
i’m somewhat of a centrist so i think it’s gotta be somewhere between these two:
Those are both encapsulated at the bottom of the meme!
i mean not really, it’s not out of moralism that i choose not to vote for genocidal warmonger red/blue, in fact the moralism is thinking voting for genocidaires is ‘pragmatic’. not to mention continuing to votescold people over a year later lmao
organizing outside electoralism builds actual power. voting for slightly different managers of the same bloodthirsty war machine doesn’t
While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil.
The stakes are the future of the world.
if the ‘future of the world’ hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas
Needs to be updated to add the Iranian flag to the GOP track. Man, do I wish there were a realistic way to choose that bottom track!
it’s simple, you just don’t vote for the genocidal warmonger party, then if enough people do that you win
blowing up/ derailing the trolly also works
it’s simple, you just don’t vote for the genocidal warmonger party, then if enough people do that you win
THAT’S NOT HOW VOTING WORKS!
People have to vote FOR the OTHER party, or else the genocidal warmonger party wins anyway!
You are saying shit that is both moronic and factually untrue.
you know there’s a non-genocidal warmonger party which could also be voted for.
I voted for them last election and don’t regret it
you know there’s a non-genocidal warmonger party which could also be voted for.
No there fucking wasn’t! Not one that could win! You’re a goddamned liar and you are helping the fascists!
And there’s no viable way to do that under the current system, which is why the track isn’t connected.
i love how you concede that the system is so dysfunctional you can’t even oppose a genocide under it and simultaneously expect me to to believe that individuals voting (or not) is somehow making a meaningful difference in the outcome
Genocide Joe!
Making sure the party that continually starts new wars in the Middle East gets elected will surely help my cause!
<Trump and Bibi plan a resort where Palestinians will be removed from their homes and likely largely killed>
“Yeah but you support GENOCIDE!”
You say ‘Genocide Joe!’ like he didn’t actually support and enthusiastically aid a genocide.
Good thing he wasn’t on the ballot then
Good thing the candidate that was on the ballot wasn’t associated with him or his administration in any way and also vigorously denounced genocide at every opportunity! Right? … right??
<sigh> A condition of Biden dropping out and Kamala taking the reins was that she was not allowed to publicly differ from the Biden administration on policy.
You probably also don’t know that Kamala was the only one who could legally step in once Biden dropped out.
But sure, blame her for the handcuffs that were placed on her. Fuck that bitch.
So, actually that question though? Genocide used to be a really, really bad thing, and here you’re making light of it. I feel like people have lost the plot a bit if they talk about an actual genocide like this. “Yeah, sure they committed a bit of genocide, but have you seen the other guy?” I feel like I’m losing my mind
The only ones making light of genocide are the ones who helped make more of it happen through their refusal to vote for harm reduction.
Uh… I was offline. What happened?
The Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act to allow racially based gerrymandering if they don’t outright say it’s racially based.
And now liberals are blaming progressives and leftists, as usual.
What, you expect them to do something, or like not vote for the massive increase in “defense” spending?
Didn’t they vote against that? Which doesn’t matter one bit since Republicans have both Congress and Senate, so they can do whatever the fuck they want?
Huh, that’s weird - because when the Democrats had both houses, we were told there’s nothing they can do. THE PARLIMENTARIAN didn’t allow it.
The who?
I’m not from the US so I don’t know the specifics of the process.
You shouldn’t know it.
When Biden and the Dems controlled the government, they ran out of excuses not to raise the minimum wage. So they split the bills that leadership wanted from that.
Then, they had an office nobody had ever heard about before (the parlimentarian) declare that they couldn’t do that in reconciliation. It’s a nonsense office, and when the GOP faced that they fired the Parlimentarian. The Democrats, of course, threw up their hands. The minimum wage was not raised.
Ah, I get it. You seem to be confused about the Democrats.
Why would they increase the minimum wage if that goes against their main corporate sponsors?
Like… People need to learn some nuance. No, the Dems are super fucking far from perfect, they do what corpos tell them to do, and their primary speciality is doing literally nothing… BUT at least they don’t assault the foundations of US democracy, don’t steal anything that’s not nailed down, don’t create diplomatic catastrophes every Monday, and don’t threaten to nuke their allies. They also, more often than not, vote against brain-dead or dangerous ideas of the Republicans.
That being said - change is coming. Voters are showing that they want more left-leaning, pro-active representatives, not dead shrimps like Schumer. Hence why we get people like Mamdani elected.
One is a good cop, the other is a bad cop. But the good cop enables the bad cop. So both are still pigs.
Amazing how people can know of the whole “Good cop, bad cop” routine and still fall for it. It really is an effective tactic, even at scale.
People “fall for it” because the both teams bad narrative helps the super bad team seem less super bad in comparison.
If the conversation appropriately punished the super bad the whenever they did something super bad, then maybe voters would actually overhwleming not vote them and force them to change. Instead, by assuming the super bad team will be super bad, we get more upset when the people we thought were good guys do something bad, and we don’t really give much conversation to the super bad team because we expected them to be evil.
Then, when its time to vote, someone can think “well both sides are evil but this one side did say something about an issue I care about, so I will vote them” and vote super bad and not feel too guilty about it.
I guess this yapping is to say the “both sides evil” narrative is really really bad in my eyes. I’m not feeling great today, sorry to take it out on this. Thanks for letting me yap.
JFC the amount of people in this thread who want a more palatable tyrant to be the next president, is concerning.
Good thing most of these never leave their parents’ basements though.
Eh. I want a retribution tour that is more damaging to Republicans than Trump has been to Democrats. I want total annihilation of the GOP.
You know that the next one would do the same, but to the opposing party, right?
This kind of thinking gets us nowhere
So disarm? Lay down and take it? No thanks. They set the precedent.
Real talk, if anyone genuinely believes this meme, they’re a fool. The parties in the US, and anywhere else, for that matter, are substantially different from one another.
Namely, Democrats only support Genocides in the middle east MOST of the time, whereas Republicans support it ALL OF THE TIME.
Democrats may or may not support them, republicans start them and use them to steal billions of dollars over 20 year periods.
Totally both the same, though.
The genocide started under a Democrat.
Which one? When? Because it’s been going on a lot longer than that. And that’s gonna apply to any example you come up with.
It’s remarkable how you randomly assume you know more about Middle Eastern history than I do. Why? Where is your confidence coming from?
Based on your comment alone, you sound like a fucking idiot. But combined with your instance, I suspect you’re a shithead too.
People like you are why ml gets blocked so often. Then you all make alts to spread your stupid.
Definitely kicked the hornets nest with this one OP lol
There’s entirely too many people who let perfect be the enemy of better in this thread
Was Biden really better? He did all the same shit, he was just quiet about it instead of holding a press conference every time they bombed children.
He was.
Obviously he wasn’t good enough to dismantle the trump power network, imprison him, kill him with the secret murder police we definitely don’t have, or prevent him from running for office (section 3 of the 14th amendment).
But doing and standing for nothing was better than what’s going on right now.
In the same way walking into the torture chamber with pliers is better than pulling your fingernails out.
If he did nothing then he’d be better.
Actively committing genocide is still actively committing genocide. Using all of Trump’s built concentration camps is still just as bad as being the one building them.
He was more secretive and more discreet than Trump. That is how he was better. But Trump has done not a single thing the last 3 presidents have not also done.
He did all the same shit
Yeah, 100%! Although, if you don’t mind, could you remind me:
- How many times was Biden mentioned in the Epstein files?
- How many crimes or felonies has Biden been convicted for?
- How many people, including children, reported Biden for raping them?
- How much money has Biden and Biden’s family take under the table?
- Which fundamental rules of democracy has Biden broken?
- How many countries has Biden invaded?
- How many times has Biden rolled out the red carpet for Putin?
- What were the levels of Biden’s tariffs and how much did they destabilise the global economy?
- How many globally strategic trade routes have been blocked due to Biden’s egomania?
- How many US citizens have been killed for no reason at all by Biden’s Sturmabteilung?
42 out of 212.
What a lot of liberals don’t get about leftists criticizing the Democrats is that it isn’t “both sides are bad”. We criticize them because they’re lauded as saviors of the common people due to their occasional, surface level platitudes and vague gestures toward “progress”. Meanwhile, 20% of the Democrats in the house just fucking pimped us out to the surveillance state (for like the 500th time) and nobodys taking about it. The only thing you had to say about it was “well it wasnt ALL of them”
Y’all get defensive because deep down you know the Democrats are never going to save us or even stem the tide, but they’re the systems “solution” to the fascist problem so bygolly were just gonna keep “voting blue no matter who” until the country is “”““fixed””“” again. It’s a narrow, misinformed, and foolish perspective that deprioritizes everything but elections and tribalism.
I can’t speak for every leftist, but the ones I know and the spaces I run in outside of this godforsaken site don’t want to talk about the Democrats, they don’t want to talk electoral politics, they don’t want to both sides every little thing. But most liberals only seem to be capable of seeing politics through the party system, so we’re left having the conversation on your terms, which inevitably turns to criticism of the Democrats and y’all being a bunch of fucking crybullies about the slightest, most surface level critique of the party. Electoralism is a distraction, and we’re all falling for it.
I’m not saying don’t vote. I’m saying your mind is made up already, you know how you’re gonna vote, you know that your options are terrible, you know why you won’t be voting for the other side, you know what the fascists are up to. Why are we wasting so much energy chirping at each other when we could be active in the streets, supporting our communities, and building alternative systems that sidestep the two party system entirely? Why aren’t we talking about those things? Why aren’t we doing them? Plenty of people already are, we’re just
waiting forpleading with the libs to get the fucking hint and actually do something for onceWe criticize them because they’re lauded as saviors of the common people due to their occasional, surface level platitudes and vague gestures toward “progress”
Jesus, by who?? All I see is (here and in other social media) “at least they won’t put us in gulags and threaten the use of nuclear weapon against our own allies”.
Y’all get defensive because deep down you know the Democrats are never going to save us or even stem the tide, but they’re the systems “solution” to the fascist problem so bygolly were just gonna keep “voting blue no matter who”
What’s the alternative?
