How are they gonna need healthcare if they’re dead? 🥴🤷🏽♂️
Yeah but they do need to be reeducated. Society is not safe with fascists in it
the only way to do that is through the work camps or struggle sessions.
Punitive systems are literally the worst way of actually rehabilitating anyone. Good news is we have abundant science about effective ways to rehabilitate people back into society.
In accordance with material dialectics we must understand that the political positions of the workers are determined in part both by their material conditions and by constant capitalist conditioning. Therefore there are multiple means by which reactionary ideology can be removed from the workers (including but not limited to):
- Improved material conditions which naturally create the conditions for revolutionary thought
- Direct worker participation which leads to the worker forming a stronger connection to their fellow workers
- Media as a tool to disseminate mass class consciousness (propoganda)
- Education as a means of promoting revolutionary thought, see how Vietnam and China teach dialectics and theory in school
I will not engage with your politics until you are ready to say to me “I love myself, and I want to love others the way my community loves me”
- Gitxsan saying
The idea being that you can provide for someone and aid their finding their way back to the path of goodness, but you will not listen until they’re a ways along that path. So yes. Fascists will get access to food, water, and healthcare, but they should NEVER be allowed near the guns, ammo, and political stations that they abused us with until they show true repentance for the harm they have done us. And for some of these fuckheads, a single lifetime will not be enough for them to demonstrate repentance and make the people they have harmed whole again
Yeah i think keeping them from guns n stuff is probably a good idea. I do want to push back on the desire for repentance. Repentance is a fuzzy word and it doesnt necessarily indicate safety or attempts to change. It feels a little too punitive to actually prioritize effectiveness or societal benefits.
fair enough. the intended meaning within this context is the self directed effort toward healing and making amends
Well yeah, any reactionary is a product of the current society and superstructures that shape everyone’s ideologies. They’re victims of the current state of things as much as anyone else is.
I’m really hoping we’ll get to see real movement rise again and win within our lifetimes and leave reactionary thought or fascism no reason to exist instead of the farce that leftism and rightism is today
You got this completely inversed OP:
- Fascists need to repent and give us the health they stole from us
- Fascists need give us back our stolen food, and plant permacultures
- Fascists need to reparate all the land they stole and gift us free houses
- Fascists need to end election & voter frauds and actively participate in direct acts of labor
Until those conditions are met, THEN they can join OUR communist future.
In the meantime, they have deathcamps to demolish, and bets to cease.
Their turn.
Revenge is not a community-forward position and will never get us closer to our goals. Especially in times of peace. I understand that wars are fought including right now. In a war, i hope that the casualties that unfortunately happen are always fascists that fall, including right now. When the fight is no longer present, everyone gets their needs met. Otherwise, its not communism, its just an other government restricting resources.
We are not asking for revenge. But reparations to harms done. A fascist wishes nothing than to continue digressively victmizing himself in order to keep their oppressions on everyone.
This fascist coup cannot be over until all fascists are composted.
No more Gladios, rattenlinien, Büroklammer, or Persilschein.Total fascist surrender
Until they can be reeducated. If they can’t be, compost.
When the fight is no longer present, everyone gets their needs met.
Start before 3°C climate. Otherwise our planet will be too hostile to ever meet our needs.
Listen, im a big time environmentalist, that is my main concern in this life. I know that fascists are the biggest (political) contributors to that problem. That doesnt mean i want to lose sight of the goal to make the world better for everyone including those i hate (fascists)
Then start at demolishing their #1 resource: slaves.
That doesnt mean i want to lose sight of the goal to make the world better for everyone including those [that want a world with only themselves as rulers and oppressors as the only race.]
Then your goal is fascism, not communism.
Its literally the fucking opposite of fascism. Fascists want to uplift a small ingroup at the expense and exploitation of the outgroup. Wanting to uplift everyone and meet the needs of all in a stateless, moneyless society is the goal of communism. Get out of here with that nonsense.
And in order to meet everyone and uplift folks, the expensive exploitation class needs to be totally eradicated for a stateless moneyless society to persist. That means the fascist need to no longer be fascist or be composted for nourishment of the stateless.
A leopard either conforms to jungle, or the jungle dies. There’s no other option.
it is for everyone, or rather everyone has a role within it, and for fascists it should be reeducation or else. what is the goal of leftism? is it to play purity games and moral grandstanding or is to permanently effect a worldwide change? we cannot allow right wing ideologies equal space. the pressure to conform must be intense or do you not have any real principles? there isn’t a way to spread racist propaganda that minorities are subhuman under communism, because methods to do so have been eliminated or controlled. we have all of modern human history to observe what happens when power is centralized, when wealth is prioritized, and when profit becomes the ultimate goal above all else. whatever system you call it (feudalism, mercantilism, capitalism) and by whichever means it happens (conservatives, liberals, socdems) it is deadly for human society. it must be eradicated as an idea worth pursuing. it should be seen as absolutely absurd by everybody capable of thought. those who resist need to be reeducated until they agree with the basics of human fucking dignity.
communism is for everyone, and fascists and their collaborators don’t get to participate with the rest of us until they demonstrate genuine change.
We should have no compassion for fascists; they must be purged from society
Okay And in your purging, what percentage of non-fascists is an acceptable amount to get caught in the crossfire? Or do you think this purge will be carried out by the first law enforcement agency in history to have a 0% wrongful conviction rate?
who said anything about a law enforcement agency
Okay. Military? Angry mob? Hitman 47? Whoever it is, will they be the first to never get it wrong? Or is there a percentage of innocent people you are asking me to be okay with getting purged?
This is not Christianity, we don’t forgive and forget. No mercy to fascists.
Yikes fam
I can understand the sentiment.
If you are part of one of the unlucky minorities, fascists are actively trying to kill you. That’s not something easily forgivable when your life is on the line every single day just for the fact of being the “wrong” type of “different”.
I’m not sure which part of history taught you that singing kumbaya with fascists will work.
I didnt say anything about allowing them to steer nations, have guns, or any power over others at all. Just, let them eat, sleep, be healthy.
That’s exactly how you get fascist takeovers. You dismiss them as impotent, foolish and misguided, extremist fringes, vocal minorities, etc., until it’s too late. Have you learned absolutely nothing from even just the past two decades in the US??
No.
Tolerance is a Paradox. In order to build a tolerant society, we cannot tolerate the intolerant.
Death is not the only way to dis-tolerate fascists, and is also not the best way to prevent new fascists.
I never said anything about death.
I think some of the other commenters have made some great points, but I mainly replied anything because your idea that society could function by tolerating the existence of fascists is foolishly optimistic and one doesn’t have to look very far into the past at all to see why.
If not death, then how do you propose ceasing their existence? Plenty of suggested re-education of various sort, which i have agreed with. If thats what you intend, we already agree. Others have suggested forms of incarceration, which i oppose as a prison abolitionist.
When it’s our turn, shall we just hug it out with the former ICE agents and border patrol? Just send the fascists home?
Because if we do, they will come back. They always do. After the Civil War we just let the slave owners and the Confederates go, and they came back with the Klan and Jim Crow. After the civil rights movement we just let the Klan and their politicians go, and they came back with “tough on crime” and “states rights” and now they’re wearing masks and murdering people in the street again.
We can’t do this anymore. When we defeat them again, and we will, we can’t let them regroup. Marx said it himself: “We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.”
As a result i bet most of these fascists will be capable of having mentally healthier lives resulting in them sobering up and stop being fascists.
For most it is a mental disorder and it can be cured with proper education and currently unaffordable therapy.
Communists will murder anarchists and socialists but protect fascists. Authoritarianism only cares about itself.
#notallcommunists
Is the communist who wants to murder anarchists and socialists and protect fascists in the room with us now?
Read a book, dude
You have to be nice to the uneducated fascist, and show them which history Soviets protected the fash. Otherwise e won’t learn how Stalin usurped the Soviets.
