Boston dynamics has been trying for like 3 decades and their shit still sucks. Elon is gonna succeed in his robotics speed run tho, no doubt.
Define “sucks”? Their stuff’s pretty cool from what I’ve seen.
Tesla is betting on a multipurpose humanoid robots. That is the main problem here, it is difficult to make just a single robot that can do everything, instead of a line of different robots for very specific use cases.
This is like. Fucking impossible.
“Tesla will have one million Robotaxis on the road by the end of 2020”
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“Musk admits no Optimus robots are doing ‘useful work’ at Tesla — after claiming otherwise”
He says that $TSLA’s Optimus is going to be produced ‘later this year’, however later admitted its still only in the R&D phase…
I’m just being hyperbolic and sarcastic.
Their robots aren’t necessarily bad, but the questions are how competitive is their price and how much applications are they being bought and used for?
afaik they still compare unfavorably to donkeys
He can’t even make cars anymore. You can’t make this shit up!
I never noticed this before, but does that thing explode a water bottle when the hand gets put down, like before it even falls? That seems like a dangerous amount of force/pressure to apply without any failsafes or anything.
Yeah I was noticing the same thing.
I mean this thing is supposed to only weigh 26kg and they are saying this model weighs closer to 57kg which I think is still them lying to make it seem like they can get to that ridiculous weight.
I work with robotics and the rule is to never be near them while they are moving cause they won’t know or care if they have to cut you in half to keep moving, I don’t think this is gonna do that but it disconnecting randomly while near a person makes this a really dangerous heavy chunk of metal and seizing motors.
Not 100% sure just looking at it, but these bottles seems to be the type where the cap isn’t screwed and you just have to pull on it, so it’s possible it just popped the cap of one as it hit it.
That’s a good observation and if you look at the table, it’s really wobbly every time it gets bumped. Typical Elon - “I want something to look fancy but I want every expense spared!!”
If it’s that flimsy, I feel like the table would have done something more dramatic than wobble around if the bottle was burst open.
:live-bazinga-bot-reaction:
I know this won’t affect the stock price (which will keep pumping anyway), but who’s going to buy the robots? There’ll be some enthusiasts sure, but most people actually need cars and will take out a loan to get these. The people that actually need these robots (assuming they even worked in the first place) would be people that need help around the house, and realistically most of them can’t afford this thing. So do we see a repeat of the parking lots filled with cyber trucks, but with robots instead? Or do they just give them out to influencers and con enough rich assholes into buying them to make it work (probably not gonna happen lol).
Wonder if we’ll see similar boycotting like we did with his swastikars
Humanoid robots are a scam to inflate stock prices.
for more info I’ll refer to
this: A skeptic’s guide to humanoid-robot videos | MIT Technology Review
and this: The Automation Trap: What Robots Are Really Selling
just like all the other scams to inflate stock prices
if only people would remember valuation ≠ value more often 😮💨
The robots will be used for military purposes since the $1 trillion budget has to go somewhere.
There’s no way Tesla robots will ever be good enough to do anything useful like house chores or whatever. MAYBE if he sells them with a subscription and it’s actually just some dude in East Asia controlling the robot. But then most people wouldn’t want them because now you’re paying random servants from around the world to hop into your house to serve you.
Actually as I was typing this I realized that is exactly the kind of disgusting bullshit that Tesla owners would love. “Oh yes see it’s not slavery because these people get to stay in their country and their homes and make a wage to be my servant! That means I’m fueling underserved economies! I’m saving the world with my Tesla Servant! Global economics! Together Musk is lifting people out of poverty!”
Fuck these are going to be wildly successful for all the wrong reasons aren’t they.
Oh yeah to be clear I don’t think they’ll work autonomously either. But you’re 100% right that all the wrong people are going to be able to pay Elon a monthly fee to have a servant from another country around the house.
Spending $100k to buy a surveillance robot servant remotely piloted by a child in Bangladesh is simply the price one must pay to not allow a poor into one’s house. If you saw the documentary Parasite, you’d know why we must take these security measures
Why don’t they put the children inside the robot and just have it shock them if they disobey?
Plausible deniability
Huge lots full of inert robots is pretty peak cyberpunk. I doubt these things could hold a gun, so I expect there’ll just be a high density explosive module (with recurring subscription) and they’ll use them as shock troops for riot dispersal.
idk, The Market is not looking pleased at the moment, at least in the short term.
The market will come around once Tesla announces that the robots will have a pussy.
Black Mirror episode where “Pesla” announces a sexbot but it can’t nail the AI so they have to hire out of work software engineers to operate the bots with VR rigs.
The robot you’ve bought is actually just a guy in a costume.
The Dawn of the Furries is at hand!
That’s probably something that could get some VC funding with a hip name and an app.
Is that gay?
depends on what the costume is
That says so much about society.
pussy
Yet another subject where I have zero faith in Musk’s knowledge or experience
If we all gave ourselves the Men-In-Black mind eraser flash he’d be the first to use science and logic to re-invent guys who think the female orgasm is a myth, starting with himself.
If Musk does do sex bots, I predict the “pussy” is gonna be wrong but he will never correct it because admitting he was wrong about what a vagina looks like would be too embarrassing for his fragile ego.
“robussy” most likely
He could double down on being wrong about them like our friend Ben
ben shapiro making a tech support call “my sexbot is leaking”
Probably
Rich people import foreign workers to be their hyper-exploited social reproduction labourers. If all the foreign workers that do their social reproduction for them are being deported by ICE, they will need robots. (This assumes the robots will ever function, which they won’t, or that they are intended to function someday, which they aren’t)
the deported people can control the “robots” from CECOT
I was gonna say something like “I’m assuming the idea is to make them do factory work in an attempt to compete with China’s robots”, but that would be the smart thing to do with them, and Musk isn’t one to do smart things. Indeed, reading the article it seems he just intend some
pipe-dream about every one having robot butlers or whatever.It does sort of weird me out how often we celebrate China for the same stuff we boo Musk for. That does seem like a bit of a ideological blindspot.
The Chinese self-driving cars don’t work that much better.
Eh, they’re a spectacle. Like last year’s Chun Wan, you got some robots dancing
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
The difference is in what it’s used for.
In China, humanoid robots are doing factory work. Not will do factory work, are doing it, right now. They are put to useful work.
In the US, humanoid robots are only used to increase stock value of corporations with promises that never end up materializing.
In China, self driving cars are used for public transport, they are made into very affordable taxis and even buses I believe. And other similar AIs are driving driver-less metros and trains.
In the US, self driving cars are just an excuse to sell cars for a higher price, just like when Apple adds features no one asked for to their Iphones to justify a markup.
I found that a lot of peoples here, when they see capitalists use a technology or an idea to do this kind of grift, instead of blaming the capitalist for using a potentially useful technology or interesting idea to make a self serving short sighted grift out of it, they reject the very technology or idea itself as something “beneath us” not worth talking or thinking about at all. I’ve seen comrades adopt that attitude multiple times and I don’t think it’s a good way to see things nor something we should do as Marxists and dialectical materialists.
I appreciate your insight and critique. I didn’t know China already had these things working in factories. Definitely makes more sense than a robot butler. Out of curiosity, do you have a source? Not trying to call bullshit, just would like to read more on it. And using an English search engine on anything China usually doesn’t turn up anything useful lol.
From the list of sources I keep I have these articles that mention the humanoid robots doing factory work specifically:
Your First Humanoid Robot Coworker Will Probably Be Chinese (this one tries to put a ‘china bad’ slant, but still a worthwhile read)
China’s EV giants are betting big on humanoid robots
AI powering China’s industrial evolution
And videos:
This is Why “Made in America” Will Fail
CHINA’S ROBOT REVOLUTION! 🤖 YIZHUANG CONFERENCE SHOCKS THE WORLD from 7:47
And that’s just what I’ve read and watched.
Thank youThat’s what I mean by ideological blindspot. The only thing any of these articles say about the use of humanoid robots is
Robots like the H1 that performed at the gala have moved into Chinese EV factories thanks to partnerships between Unitree and EV makers like BYD and XPeng.
Which isn’t much, nothing concrete.
And the videos are straight up slop.
If this was about hyping up Musk, you’d get absolutely dunked on if you presented that as evidence of humanoid robots getting used in factories.
That’s what I mean by ideological blindspot. The only thing any of these articles say about the use of humanoid robots is
Robots like the H1 that performed at the gala have moved into Chinese EV factories thanks to partnerships between Unitree and EV makers like BYD and XPeng.
Which isn’t much, nothing concrete.
This is already much more than Musk or any other American or European humanoid robot constructor can say about their robots. So no, I agree that it’s not much, but it is very much concrete. And remember this is a very recent development, a few years old at most, it’s a bit early to make definitive conclusions about how well or poorly it’s going.
Incidentally, the appeal of humanoid robots isn’t just automating production (because if it was just that specialized robots would be far better than any generalist humanoid), instead I think the appeal of humanoid robots is as a tool to manage the balance between employment and production output. As a socialist society you want to become able to guarantee jobs and access to the products of labor to your citizens. Which means you have to balance level of automation with necessary output: too many robots and there’s not enough work for everyone, too few and there might be shortages of certain things due to underproduction. This means that ideally you want to be able to retire a few machines when there are peoples in need of a job and bring more machines in when workers retire or stop working for whatever other reasons. But you can’t make the switch quickly enough with specialized robots because these require conditions so vastly different from human workers that you need to refit the entire factory floor or at least part of it both to bring robots in or to get them out, which can take months to years. With humanoid robots though, they can work with the exact same factory floors the human workers use, meaning switching between robots and humans is as easy as ordering the robots to walk in or out of the factory. That’s the best argument for humanoid robots in my opinion, and because of that I think it makes a lot of sense for a socialist country to develop the technology.
And the videos are straight up slop.
Well these are youtube videos. I don’t see what the quality of the video has to do with whether or not the robots do work in factories though.
If this was about hyping up Musk, you’d get absolutely dunked on if you presented that as evidence of humanoid robots getting used in factories.
I’d get dunked on for presenting images of robots getting used in factories as evidence of robots getting used in factories? I don’t get your point here. Is it the fact that it’s only a handful of factories?
From what I’ve seen, the cars with the huawei tech work pretty well
Dunno about the rest of the US but California’s uses car market is absolutely flooded with Model S’. I see first gen ones listed for under 10k. Compare to any other model EV of the same year and entry price and there will be about ten Teslas per other manufacturer. That can’t be because they are exceptionally high quality, long lasting vehicles.
I would be so afraid of buying a used EV and its battery just being fucked
It’s easier to check battery health than engine compression nowadays
literally, an EV will tell you a range estimate based on current charge level (and include ambient/battery temperature in that estimate, maybe even recent terrain/driving behavior).
Teslas are known to lie though
I don’t even know what engine compression is
more compression makes your car faster and more fuel efficient, but requires better gas and makes everything hotter.
the piston seals in the cylinders of an ICE car should be (nearly?) air tight. As the car is used the pistons/seals wear down reducing engine performance and efficiency. It can get so bad that the car won’t even run, I once test drove a car that started fine but would die at idle speed when warm. It’s very expensive to fix, most cars are probably scrap at that point.
special diagnostic tools are needed to get that information from an ICE, whereas an EV will, at the very least, display right on the dash"fully charged : x miles"
I’m not sure if there’s hard data on whether engines or batteries generally last longer though, cuz a modern engine will get to 200k miles before it needs to rebuild. But batteries don’t care about miles so much as charge cycles - but your main point about it being very easy to check is true, since you just measure the voltage coming off the battery, how quickly it changes, etc which doesn’t require any disassembly and on most EVs there will be a diagnostic option to run a fairly accurate self test.
edit: I later looked this up and found that modern EV battery life is equivalent to about 300k miles of driving, and even if you treat it like shit it’ll still beat an engine, generally speaking. EV electric motors last about as long, so assuming there isn’t a manufacturing defect/crash damage, any EV drivetrain from the past decade is probably good.
i am literally holding on to my 5-speed manual civic until the thing physically falls apart. why anyone would pay 40-70k for a new car full of useless electronic components and a single ineffective touch screen UI is beyond all comprehension to me
poor people based old gen commuter car gang stay winning
After Muskrat’s heil-spree, a lot of them went up for sale around here too. I’m not saying they aren’t garbage-built death traps either, just that there are multiple contributing factors to people wanting to be rid of their Tesla.
At least you can’t get trapped inside a robot while you burn to death.
Florida Man was found dead under a MuskBot after excessive lube during apparent sex act attempt with it caused a short and fire.
Made me think of futurama too lol
Gundam Music Blasting
Title card: “Trapped Inside a Robot while you Burn to Death?!?! No way!”
He’s going to replace his workers with these robots. He’ll have robots to make robots to make cars to sell to robots. 5d chess move.
they’ve been test driving some god-awful ugly little new teslas around silicon valley for the past 4 months or so… they look like they’re straight out of cyberpunk 2077 but uglier
“I mean, why would you ever want to actually go anywhere when you have access to unlimited illegal porn and a fuck-bot?”(in case it’s unclear, I intend this with maximum scorn and derision for Musk)
Every day more convinced that Grok is a play to create an Epstein black book containing only Elon Musk fans. It is 2028 and the most powerful voting bloc in the US is “people with some shit in their Grok transcripts”.
presumably other swastikars will continue production
I already wrote this on the other thread, but it’s because people aren’t buying the S and X. They were like 3% of Tesla sales last year. He kept them going for 10 years longer than he should have just so he could have Tesla models S, 3, X and Y.
I would love to say “please, tell me you are joking”, but I am the Joker now so I know you aren’t.
The 3 and Y are roughly $40k and are somewhat usable cars for that price range (if you exclude Chinese EVs), hence people buying them. The S and X are “luxury” and start at roughly 100k. Elon stans either don’t have 100k, already owned one of these, or are aiming for a cybertruck.
Oh, I just meant the incredibly sad S3XY thing. The economics of the world’s first fully automated family annihilator are at least explicable. 😄
The fate of the Cybertruck is unknown. Last quarter, SpaceX and xAI bought a bunch of them, but I don’t think they can keep doing this forever. The battery supplier for the CT battery already wrote down their investment by 99%. Meanwhile, Tesla just keeps pretending like nothing is wrong.
Fucking
There’s only one Optimus. Me!
I like how he’s never going to release a bipedal Jeeves robot but the news has to report on it like it’s a thing. He’s not pivoting to shit. He’s pivoting to more testosterone treatments. None of these robots are doing shit. They aren’t going to mars. He’s just going to do drugs and post about white South African genocide. Report that. At least include these verifiable facts while writing the rest of the article. Just go pluck something from the last 24 hours of his timeline, he’ll have said something stupid or odious in that time. Probably more than once so you can pick. It would be funny at least.
Getting an Optimus just to give me piggybacks everywhere
“Optimus-Prime Subscription”
