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    Please report any pro-US-empire comments so we can ban them ASAP.

    We aren’t going to let people come into this space and justify US crimes like kidnapping heads of state, murdering innocent people, and starting wars based on lies.

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      Can we please keep the respectful ones so we have a chance to dispel their beliefs? There is overwhelming propaganda against Venezuela that is easy to disprove, but most of their spaces ban us (example: reddit). I wish we have a chance to argue our perspective.

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        The groupthink on forums is ridiculous, and you don’t need to be a capitalist nor anticapitalist to recognize that. I, too, hope that we can have healthy discussions of starkly different views.

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      It doesn’t work like that, how long does it take until people realize silencing people you disagree with doesn’t solve the issue? 🤦

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        People can say whatever they want but we don’t cater to bootlickers here, they can go fuck themselves. Why should we allow comments from people who want me dead? Their fascist bullshit is allowed basically anywhere else, they can go to reddit.

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          No platform for fascists.
          Imperialists are the Fascist International.

          The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discreetly Internationalized It

          Since the colonial projects of Hitler and Mussolini had become so brazen and erratic, as they shifted from playing more or less by the liberal rules of the game to openly breaking them and then running amok, it was understood that the best way to construct the fascist international was to do so under liberal cover, meaning through clandestine operations that maintained a liberal façade.

          The American imperium has thus played a central role in the construction of a fascist international by protecting right-wing militants and enlisting them in the Third World War against ‘communism,’ an elastic label extended to any political orientation that entered into conflict with the interests of the capitalist ruling class. This international expansion of fascist modes of governance has led to a proliferation of concentration camps, terrorist and torture campaigns, dirty wars, dictatorial regimes, vigilante groups and organized crime networks around the world.

          Trump has dispensed with the liberal mask, making America nakedly imperialist again.

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          but we don’t cater to bootlickers here

          Take a look what instance this was posted on

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        It doesn’t work like that

        Looks like it does work like that. Moderators moderate the discussion. lemmy.ml has no obligation to platform imperialists, nor is there any value in doing so.

        And it works well, this community is a lot more pleasant and educational without having to deal with antisocial war-hawks and trolls constantly starting arguments instead of discussions. It’s certainly solves that issue.

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          “You must allow debate over whether bombing innocent people and murdering grandmas is okay. This solves the issue

      • No one is silenced, Lemmy is censorship proof meaning you are free to start your own instance and communities or participate in any of the other communities where you can spread your support and justification for US imperial activities and CIA propaganda. Lemmy is essentially a fancy email client and just because we don’t want US propaganda in our community doesn’t mean that anyone is being “silenced”

        US apologia is the classic Nazi bar. Let one yank fuck in and the entire thing gets the yank stink on it.

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        if you want to freely spread pro-empire propaganda then go back to reddit or to one of the dozens of lemmy instances that adores that kind of behavior

        no one is required to consume your vapid bullshit, nor to host it

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        I dont think you understand how lemmy works. Instances are ran how the people who graciously host them wish.

        If you dont like how the admins run this particular instance, make or join one that reflects your values. You dont get to demand anything. You are free to block the instance and/or the person posting. I will comment a guide below on how to do so.

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          Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.

          In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.

          This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.

          This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.

          At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.

          Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.

          This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up. That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance.

          But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.

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        how long does it take until people realize silencing people you disagree with doesn’t solve the issue

        sounds like reddit lol [REMOVED]

        For freedom of speech on certain topics reddit is clearly superior again after similar statements of the lemmy developers.

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          Reddit is pro-US-empire, we’re anti-US-empire here.

          Try going over to reddit (or any US-controlled tech platform) and saying something negative about Israel, and see how long you last.

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            you must be joking.
            .ml obviously but the rest of the Lemmy libfest is hardly better.
            All they want is their respectable form of imperialism with a slick mass murderer like Obama or Genocide Joe.
            I get banned/removed here all the time.
            Not only over Shitrael

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          freedom of speech reddit

          hahaha

          Pretty funny thing to say on a site filled with people banned from reddit for saying things, including but not limited to the word “Luigi”.

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      Captured is for people at war. Kidnapped is the right term for what happened here.

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      The manufacturing consent is going brazy today. I read a few headlines that had attack, in quotation marks. Like “attack”.

      The fuck are the quotation marks for? Who we quotin? Just call a fucking spade a spade

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    Maduro might be an idiot, but the press needs to be vigilant here.

    “What right does the US have to do this?”

    “So other countries can do this to the US for similar reasons and not expect repercussions?”

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      Kidnapping of a head of state is completely illegal, and south american countries should be uniting and mobilizing for coming wars with the US to prevent similar intrigues in their own countries.

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        They don’t want to, they could do that easily.
        He is not liked as it is by ukrainians, and he would be replaced by the fascist Zalushny.
        Last year Zelenski gave medals to troops and Russia waited until he left to strike the building.
        They know exactly where he is and when.

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          He is not liked as it is by ukrainians

          Absolute nonsense. Show data.

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                it’s from your own nazi Kiev independent you banderite idiot.
                Or do you want to believe numlbers from the banana republic and the president kidnapping pedo? Whatever clown.

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    Viva Maduro. The US Empire is kidnapping a democratically elected president and his family in order to gain ownership of Venezuelan oil fields. The vassals in Europe only care that their master needs consent manufacturing, but the good working people around the world can see right through this naked terrorism and those that support it.

    May the empire and its vassals fall.

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        Nope! Bullshit from the US Empire to manufacture consent for invasion, same as they did for Saddam and the supposed WMD.

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          It wasn’t from the US I heard this from, it was from locals interviewed by Michael Palin. Didn’t really take him for a US stooge

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            A western for-TV series run by a comedian is standard affair for propagandizing. Not all Venezuelans support Maduro, he got 51% of the vote, so it would be pretty easy to find people opposing him. That said, the working classes support him.

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              I understand it’s not the best source but it’s not like I was pulling it out my arse. It seems like the situation is very nuanced over there but no matter what, the US shouldn’t be involved in whatever mess is happening regardless.

              Also I would say he’s no longer a comedian first and has primarily been a travel documentarian for about 50 years now, one who pioneered the format in fact. He also puts a big focus on the culture and the people of the places he visits.

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                The nuances are that Maduro is continuing the legacy of Hugo Chavez, trying to nationalize resources and industry to keep wealth for Venezuelans, rather than the US and Europe. Venezuelans that were very wealthy before the Bolivarian revolution fled mainly to places like Miami, similar to Cubans that fled from Castro. The US-backed faction is small but loud, and wants Venezuela to be recolonized so that they can take their position as compradors once again. The working classes support Maduro and the Bolivarian revolution.

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        Don’t wanna be the kind of person who says “yet you live in jsociety”, but you’re saying this as an American citizen - you’re exercising your right to fhe freedom of speech, as per the First Amendment (which also includes the freedoms of religion, of the press, to assemble peacefully, and to redress grievances). Would you say that you’d love America if they elected a socialist president?

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          I’m not American but to answer your question: no, I don’t care who Americans elect. The country is a corrupt terrorist state and won’t get any better without being split apart and/or rebuilt from the ground up

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            Yep. I can’t see a reformist answer to the core problems of the US. A US president is still beholden to haute capital who own the mass media, the tech industries, the supermarkets, etc… A hypothetical socialist president would turn out worse than Allende. In order to solve the core issues of the USA, it would need to cease being the USA and become some other country.

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              I don’t know what you’re trying to get me to say but your country has repeatedly threatened us (Canada) with annexation and has tariffed us to the point where people I know are barely holding onto their jobs. The thing that angers me the most about it is the fact that Americans don’t even seem to consider the annexation threats a factor in why Canadians are angry at them. The amount of propaganda your country pumps into its people means that a majority of even the most progressive people are thoroughly brainwashed into believing that getting to be American is actually a blessing

              I can assure you that I don’t have anything nice to say about the US no matter the hypothetical scenario

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                  I can’t answer any of your questions unfortunately. I don’t know what repercussions the UK winning the war of 1812 would bring but my uneducated knee-jerk opinion would be that I think North America would have been better off as individual colonies turned countries rather than massive states. I think an EU style system with much smaller countries would have prevented what the US became. But again, that’s just my uneducated opinion and I haven’t put a lot of thought into it

                  For the communism stuff: I am not nearly well read enough about it to recommend anything

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          Why would electing a socialist president change anything? The US would still be a fascist imperialist hell state deserving of death. The president doesn’t control everything, capitalists and the military industry would still be waging global wars.

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              I think a president and enough political supporters could turn the US into a socialist or communist state, a president like that could at least make some incremental changes, but with the elections and state functions so controlled by capitalists and bourgeois interests it seems unlikely in the US political climate. I don’t think it’s impossible though and we should use all means possible to help, but issues we face such as climate change and wealth inequality require more substantial changes that aren’t likely to be passed and implemented quickly enough within the current structure to adequately address them in time.

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                So you think the US would become a one-party socialist country (or a multi-party socialist country, but all parties work cooperatively under a common cause a lot like China)?

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                  Maybe in time or with better political education, but if a president suddenly tried to do that anywhere in the near future I would guess it could cause conservative states to cecede like the civil war to defend capitalism, or at least some kind of violent conflict is likely to happen.

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                  You really need to learn theory. Your comments lack any and all sorts of material analyses and reek of vibes based understanding of politics

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          Meh. I only oppose the “President” part of “socialist President”, not the “socialist” part.

          And I hate AmeriKKKa no matter who’s in charge. It’s a racist settler-colonial capitalist entity.

          Like you can have free speech without AmeriKKKa. But also…try standing in front of your local AmeriKKKan university with a “John Brown did nothing wrong” sign, or basically any sufficiently inflammatory black or indigenous radical sign, and see how long your freedom of speech gets respected. I.e., the AmeriKKKan entity is an impediment to free speech if you’re an anarchist, communist, anti-capitalist, black, indigenous, etc.

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              Probably. Again, I oppose the “country” part of “socialist country”. And frankly, a “socialist” project that adopts the AmeriKKKan flag, i.e. positioning itself as somehow an extension of the AmeriKKKan project, is not a project worth pissing on.

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                What flag do you have the mind for a socialist America? Maybe the kind of flag like the UASR in “Reds!”? I really like that flag - it DOESN’T rely on the red-white-blue, stars and stripes combination like some of the other althistory stories about a socialist US. Here, the combination of colors is red, black and gold, NOT to mention to the hammer-compass-gear-wheat symbol on the centre of the flag

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                  I mean yeah I’d be cool with that being the flag of a commune, although I don’t think we necessarily need to have an “America-scale” single anarchist community. Like my vision of post-US North America looks more like complex networks of autonomous local collectives.

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              As someone not from the US, I’d fucking celebrate if your shithole country implodes. You’ve caused enough pain and suffering around the world, about time you face some of it

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          You know that “freedom of speech” was created as a cover for overt racism but with buzzwords, right?

          And you know USA legally segregated people until the 60/70s right?

          How does that amendment hold up when you’re legally segregated, mother fucker?

          Don’t come with that sham branding tactic to lecture us. Go read your history and fuck off.

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          Rights are made up and will be removed at the earliest convenience, true rights are only what you can take

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          Don’t wanna be the kind of person who says “yet you live in jsociety”

          Yet you chose to be that kind of person.

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    I think the whole “we’re taking over Venezuela” is just your typical Trump bravado. I believe user xiaohongshu on Hexbear has the correct angle:

    I think everyone is too fixated on the empire getting into a long war but I don’t think that’s the goal here.

    Just like Trump’s B-2 stunt on Iran’s Fordow back in June, the US operation was a quick in, quick out operation. Nothing seems to have significantly changed on the surface, but the message has been sent. The US is sowing political instability in the region, and it scares away foreign investments especially China’s.

    Just look at China-Iran trade numbers, it’s plunging by 20% this year. Chinese investors are pulling away because they cannot see profitable return in Iran and the surrounding regions. This worsens the economic condition in Iran, and months later, we see the Iranians protesting as a result.

    The same play is being replicated in Venezuela here against Latin America. The US has no interest in getting dragged into a long war. It wants to demonstrate how easily it can upset the political balance in Latin America. Do you seriously think that Chinese investors will still want to invest billions on Venezuela seeing how easily the leadership can be kidnapped?

    The investment’s gone, and the US simply has to sit back and wait for the situation to deteriorate even further, and the regime change opportunity will present itself. But it’s not even about Venezuela, it’s about the US dominance over Latin America.

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    As an American citizen, I’m 150 fucking percent against this in all ways shape and form. I don’t know how to prevent this from continuing but I’ll be looking for any chance at having this country both formally apologizing and prosecuting the idiots responsible.

    What goddamn horrible news to wake up to, my apologies to our fellow people on spaceship earth.

    E: did anyone notice the not-so-veiled threat against Cuba?

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      I’ve started reminding people with youngs sons that they need to sign up for the draft. Always interesting when you ask the ones i know vote republican suddenly realize their votes could kill their kids. Glad I’m old enough to avoid this shit.

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          Yes, two parties, one right wing and the other fascist as is. The US never was a real democracy for the people, only for Billonairs, Big Corporations and several economic and media lobbies which are making the policy to their like. Feudalism v2.0

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      I was just explaining to some of my overseas friends how embarrassed and ashamed I was of the current administration, domestically and abroad.

      Less than 24 hours later, this fucking disgrace.

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    the spineless goons of the us, the “international commubity” just stand and watch as the us robs and plunders a nation. where are the campaigns against us propaganda? where’s the shipment of attack drones? where’s the dehumanization of every amerikkkan?

    if atrocities serve their masters or themselves they just turn a blind eye.

    the usa is the devil, a cancer - we all know that. but the regurgitation of US propaganda and lack of condemnation by allied states is a shame.

    here’s hoping some western “leftists” realize that they defend their enemy.

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          Hey everyone, when I plugged in my PC I didn’t get any motherboard lights, but I’m very lucky, because an ex-tenant who I’m still friends with, recently gifted me his old PC. I just put my old SSD into his old PC and used the power and SATA cable that were originally connected to the CD drive. Bingo!

          Here, have some memes!

          @Cricket@lemmy.zip @IronBird@lemmy.world

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          I took a pic of this comment and I’ll get back to you if I plug in the pc. I can upload images on here right? I just don’t see many people posting images as replies.

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            Yes, you can upload pictures here. It’s as simple as just pasting a picture in the text editor box when you’re writing your reply.