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Champoloo [he/him]@hexbear.net to Science@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 months ago

Study of men who embodied a young woman in VR finds they felt disgust & anger when catcalled

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Study of men who embodied a young woman in VR finds they felt disgust & anger when catcalled

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Champoloo [he/him]@hexbear.net to Science@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 months ago
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https://phys.org/news/2025-12-men-embodying-women-vr-strong.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-19418-4

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  • Crucible [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Explaining things to men: Imagine a video game

    • CommCat [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      this study sounds a bit rediculous to be honest

      • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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        It’s not ridiculous. There is a whole phenomenon where players behave differently in online games depending on the personality and social expectations others will have of the character they are playing as. If your character is expected to be a dick players act more like a dick, whereas if your character is expected to be nice players act more nicely. This occurs with the same players playing on different characters. This is called the “Proteus Effect” if you want to look into it more deeply.

        Given that occurs I don’t find it difficult to think that people would get into the role and atmosphere even more when doing it in VR.

        • Belly_Beanis [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          Okay but like what if I’m support and my carry insists on tower diving at level 2 against 4 champs with hard CC?

          • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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            • Des [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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              i think this could also work for many real life nurses as well

            • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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              My MMO career was more like

              you think I’m your mother but guess what I’m GOD if you live it is by my grace if you die it is by my design. fear is not what you owe me you owe me AWE

              I didn’t get along with many people

            • Florn [they/them]@hexbear.net
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              I’m both

            • Kefla [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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              FFXIV be like “ok healer sulk if you like, I’ll heal myself” and then the tank just solos the dungeon

          • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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            trump-kaneki

            This post just gave me League PTSD flashbacks. Fucking ADC’s man. Stg they’ll piss their own pants and blame you for it if someone isn’t around to hold their penis for them when they pee.

          • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            and it’s league so you can’t even buy a force staff to help them feed more

      • Crucible [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        The actual study is interesting as part of a larger series of tests to demonstrate if VR can be used as a reliable clinical and therapeutic tool

        • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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          Does it say how that went? My vibe is that VR would in the long term foster a sense of isolation in the user.

          • Crucible [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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            I think it’s too quick of an experience to feel isolation. They do a survey, put on the set and do a scene where they can see a mirror where they are a ‘woman’ then they are put on a train platform to wait for a train to arrive, get on the train. Then take off the set, and do an exit survey.

            In conjunction with a therapist I can imagine it being useful in some exposure therapies, but an unfortunate amount of the phrasing in the paper makes me think they’re trying to pitch this as ‘solo AI VR therapy is possible.’

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    Woah. That would be insane if women were real 🤯

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    deleted by creator

    • Beaver [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Some of it’s definitely a power and cruelty dynamic… but you might be surprised by how much of it just because some dudes are the dumbest motherfuckers imaginable.

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      It’s definitely a power thing, it’s pathetic worm behavior.

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      Being a weird creepy sex-pest: women hate you negative

      Being nice and treating women like humans: women like you dean-smile

      Wow, who would have thought!

    • LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.net
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      Asserting dominance?

      This one.

    • WasteTime [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      Because they constantly need to reaffirm their masculine role in society. They do this to make sure they are Very Male, totally not gay when they are among other males but they also behave like this when they are alone to soothe their insecurities. One way of doing this is to “remind” women of their place by degradation, to them masculinity is being always on top and active. It’s about making women uncomfortable on purpose, the catcalling phrases ranges from stupid to straight out obscene just for the sake of reaffirming the power structure of heteronormativity. A male always gives orders, a male always penetrates and never gets penetrated (consider sex positions, the penetrated is usually below and “passive”, both literally and metaphorically). In some cultures even performing cunnilingus to a woman was/is considered “effeminate” and being accused of performing it on ancient Rome was the today’s equivalent of being insulted with common pejorative words questioning the masculinity of the person performing such act.

      EDIT: use of derogatory language.

      • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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        I think intentionally dodging the filters is a bad look, even if to prove a point.

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          You are right, I’ll edit the post. It wasn’t my intention to offend anyone. I’m sorry.

          • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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            All’s well that ends well! I just know they’re there for a reason. Thanks for being cool.

    • LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      sometimes I see someone looking nice and I wanna be like “hey! you look good in that outfit over there!” but then i have to stop myself so im not part of the problem

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        “Hey cool jacket” is only catcalling if theyre not wearing a jacket

      • LaGG_3 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        I think being specific and not complimenting someone based on their physical appearance goes a long way to not making it weird.

        I complemented someone’s sashiko work on her pants and it wasn’t weird or uncomfortable.

        • LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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          i just don’t interact because also I know a lot of people (me, my partner) don’t want to be perceived by others at all even if I weren’t being a big man about it

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      Patriarchal domination

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    Men have so little empathy they have to experience it first-hand to understand. But listen to and believing women? Lmao why?

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    Ooh this reminds me of another study where cross-sex embodiment made people identify as more androgynous.

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    Any minority man could relate

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      to being catcalled or playing as a girl in VR? lmao

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        To being singled out and targetted

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