• Burninator05@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Or, hear me out, we leave Greenland alone and mend ties with Denmark who has been a steadfast ally for decades.

  • LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz
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    My conspiracy theory with this Greenland thing: Those in power now are deliberately destroying the world so it can be “rebuilt the right way”. Greenland is in a position on the globe to become quite a pleasant climate. Once the ice melts it will be one of the best places on earth to live. Not to mention the huge amount of natural resources that will become available. Its also currently a politically isolated area, so when WW3 wipes out half the population it will most likely remain untouched. (Though tbf if trump makes moves on it that wont be the case). I don’t think the current admin is even really aware of why Greenland is important, save for a few people who implemented project 2025.
    removes foil hat

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      1 day ago

      to add: when the polar ice caps melt it will be positioned directly in a newly available shipping route

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    Oil,that’s what he means by national security. Dear Americans please get rid of that cancer you call potus. General strikes is what you can do.

    • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
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      TBF, he also means strategic expansionism. (The Arctic is playing an ever greater role in geopolitics, as the ice melts)

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      There is actual strategic value to Greenland. It is right in the line of sight between Russia and the USA. If the USA were to place a missile defence station on Greenland, they would be able to intercept Russian missiles.

      There is also some legitimate claim to the island, since the USA was the one to help the Greenlanders during and after WW2. Which is not the best claim, but it us the most recent claim of them all. All the claim Denmark has, is that there were some Danish settlers there in the 18th century. And maybe the claim that they need to atone for their inuit genocide which has helped to make Greenland self rule infeasible for now.

      • vxx@lemmy.world
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        All the claim Denmark has, is that there were some Danish settlers there in the 18th century.

        So we can take over the USA because their only claim is settlers getting there in recently history?

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        The lawfully formed government of the people asserts that they are part of Denmark whilst having the power to be independent or part of another nation if the political will exists to enact it which is ultimately what makes a country a country.

        Imagining we have any claim on it based on rendering aid almost a century ago is…kinda deranged. Also its strategic value can easily be realized as it is now via alliance.

        What cannot be realized by alliance is handing out their resources like prizes to cronies which is the actual motivation.

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        If the USA were to place a missile defence station on Greenland, they would be able to intercept Russian missiles.

        Except no, because you can intercept ICBMs only in the first and final stages of flight. In the coast phase they are too high and do not light up on radars.

        Next argument please.

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            Right, because attacking the person rather than the actual argument is a stellar example of mature discussion skills.

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              I am explicitely not attacking your person, but your style of debate. You might very well be a great person to hang out with. I’m not making assumptions about that.

              You cannot change who you are, so it would be unfair to comment on your person. You can however change your debate style by not saying things like “next argument please”.

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            The problem is that your post consists only of specious arguments that indicate you haven’t really thought about this. EG it makes little sense to try to annex Greenland for defense when the act of trying to take it would blow up half of our alliances, start a war, and ultimately provide no more benefit than simply continuing to ally with Greenland/Denmark.

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              If I were the glorious leader of the USA, I could just fall back on the fact that I am the smartest person by presidential decreed. But I am not, so I can only make specious arguments.

              It is a great thought experiment though. How can the glorious leader justify the American claim to Greenland?

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                He has literally said he would claim it based on the US needing to take its shit and make it his shit. He doesn’t appear to need reasonable or even sane justifications. That said its ridiculous. It would be spitting on all of Europe and taking it militarily would have massive economic consequences.

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    As an anti-war person, I will fight for Greenland’s autonomy.

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    This is not just Trump at this point. No American is standing up for their ally Denmark. This is disgusting and involves all Americans. Stop buying their shitty weapons.

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      Stop buying all their products.

      You wouldn’t buy a can of beans grown and packed by the Nazis, or firewall security software from Russia. I actively stopped buying any American products in the store when I Trump won both times.

      Fuck tyrants.

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      No American is standing up for their ally Denmark. This is disgusting and involves all Americans.

      What? This very much does not involve all Americans.

      Most Americans despise this asshole and have no interest in invading Greenland, and plenty see it as a horrific betrayal.

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      Oil, but also geopolitics.

      As the ice continues to melt, the Arctic will be an important (shorter) shipping root. This is already happening, and Russia is in a powerful position there.

      Of course the current administration of Greenland/Denmark/EU is also aware of this, it’s not like we’re leaving the Arctic to the Russians.

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    Tiel has been pushing chat control on europe and Denmark is the forefront of making it happen. Is the greenland and chat control situation connected? Sure seems like the perfect timing. Threaten to take greenland unless pushing through laws that are universally hated by the people (which makes absolutely no sense in europe because the government and the people are supposed to be one and the same and where we generally only let insane laws pass when the US threatens sanctions which is technically not even possible on a single european country as the union is a trade union lol - but soft power, i guess).

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      *Thiel.

      No, I don’t think it’s connected, beyond the obvious: MAGA having a boner for both Greenland and the EU. Greenland has Oil btw. And will become ever more important geopolitically as the ice keeps on melting.

    • Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip
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      Just because the goverment of the USA and individual actors in the USA are trying to influence and manipulate the rest of the world doesnt mean everything is connected to everything or in other words keep your tinfoil in the kitchen as long as you dont have concrete evidence.