User who’s post history is full, to the point of appearing completely like a propagandists troll, is upset people post links from gasp a place that isn’t 100% critical of China to rightfully bash democratic senators for voting to increase the military budget.
People pointing out hypocrisy are called uninformed or told it’s okay because China has to be bad so any source saying that is fair game.
Calling the CCP leftists is amusing. They’re totalitarian state capitalists, Han nationalists and imperialists.
My friend, you are american. China has 5x your country’s population and has a lower absolute TOTAL prison population, 90% home ownership rate, higher literacy rate, lower homelessness rate, better education, healthcare that doesn’t bankrupt people, fucking hell this list could go on…
Just based on prison population alone you should re-evaluate what your “totalitarian” and “authoritarian” bs actually means in practice, because the big ebil Chinese are clearly less evil and achieving far better social outcomes for people than the “free” country you never use the same words to describe. Freedom for who? Not people clearly. Freedom for capital however…
You are incredibly, deeply propagandised. The most right wing members of the CPC are further left than every democrat you call left wing and yet you parrot this nonsense that they’re not leftist. Don’t get me started on “imperialist”, the country that hasn’t been in a war for over 50 years. You are an imbecile.
More importantly the comment they’re responding to doesn’t assert anything about China being leftist. The point of the comment they’re replying to is that WSWS doesn’t stop being a good source because it’s leftist. There’s no relation between WSWS and China.
Ugh, should not have clicked the link. I hate the “Yeah China sucks, but the propaganda about them is a bit too much.” Like…you’ve obviously fallen for the propaganda if you think China is bad in some vague nonspecific way, it has done its job, even if you’ve decided that all the accusations are wrong, you still hate them, just purely on vibes now.
I think this is a salient point. OTOH westerners are probably too racist to expect the vast majority of them to recognize the effort China is undertaking to build a decent society in the wrecks of the cold war. If they can at least be convinced that they shouldn’t support their governments in brinkmanship against China, that will suffice. But that’s the part that’s becoming increasingly difficult because they generally WANT to seek out reasons to believe that Russia, China, Iran, or whatever other country is worse (even in some vague way that can’t be pinned down) to feel good about themselves. So they end up shrugging off interventions and increasing militarization of western economies, because in their worldview there’s bad guys all around the world so it’s probably better (again, in some vague way) for the western countries to maintain hegemony. I don’t know how you can invert that last bit in their minds.
I don’t know how you can invert that last bit in their minds.
I wish I kept a diary or something from when I started abandoning lib ideas about “evil enemy” countries, it would’ve been very helpful to see my process and be able to apply it to others. I honestly don’t know how you convince someone beyond completely shattering their worldview and analytical tools entirely.
There are two approaches one can take to people who say “socialism = Stalin = bad”: you can try to break the first leg of the equation or the second. Trotskyists take the first option; they’ve had the blessing of the academy, foundation and CIA money for their publishing outfits, and controlled the narrative in the West for the better part of the last century. But they haven’t managed to make a successful revolution anywhere in all that time. Recently, socialism has been gaining in popularity… and so have Marxism-Leninism and support for Stalin and Mao. Thus it’s not the case that socialism can only gain ground in the West by throwing really existing socialism and socialist leaders under the bus.
Thinking back on my own journey I think there was a pretty big period of time where I had a negative opinion of those countries (I guess I still am fairly critical about a lot of aspects of them of course) but I realized that any material way that my opinions could be reflected in terms of policy would be things like sanctions, proxy wars, propaganda campaigns, covert operations, and the other things that I knew the US had done to its enemies during the 20th century. So I realized that my opinions are best kept to myself when they aligned with empire.
But in my case I live in a colonized country and was pretty aware of how US imperialism directly makes my life worse from an early age. I guess for American and European white people it’s a lot easier to justify aligning with empire for obvious reasons.
Can someone tell that guy that WSWS is a Trotskyist website so they actually are mostly critical of China and Russia? If anything, WSWS usually catches heat from us “tankies” for having liberal takes, defending sex pests, and the new horrible AI stuff they’re rolling out. They aren’t China apologists, anything positive they say about China is probably said through gritted teeth. @goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org @TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml since you’re already in the thread and aren’t defedded.
I’m surprised socialist every day didn’t, but they could just have that user blocked
https://lemmy.world/comment/21117330
And even if told that the user wouldn’t change their mind
Yeah I think this person is probably too far gone but it’s a good idea to post it so more naive people reading the thread don’t fall for it.
Even though the first reply is citing mediabiasfactcheck.com for a good purpose, I can’t bring myself to upvote that site
Yeah I’ve had that user tagged as “posts anti china garbage” for a while it’s literally all they do all day.
And any time someone points it out they claim totally not what they do
Yup and gets salty when you doubt their sources but won’t accept anything that’s not completely western aligned.
My favorite is when they don’t accept mbfc. The seemingly acceptable western bias check site
It’s literally the most liberal biased garbage and they still will reject it when it doesn’t conform to their biased beliefs.
Least sinophobic .world user
Honestly that account really looks like an actual:
How dare you not bend reality to fit my worldview smh anyway fuck this guy
