• BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    What’s astounding is that anyone believes this. Even if you aren’t a commmunist, or understand imperialism, all it takes to tell this is bullshit is ask “Why would Maduro choose to do that?” There’s absolutely no answer, and the inly reason anyone would believe it is total propaganda brain/rascism

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      Sometimes I look at the actions of U.S. and Israel and see their actions are desperate, others are saying their actions are desperate, logically it would make sense yes? And then life gives everyone the middle finger by going “Ummm no they’re 150% in control and actually it’s their enemies that are desperate and on the verge of collapse” before their enemies just melt into a puddle because fuck me I guess.

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      Especially the fucking troops. This is so blatantly transparent the US is making false claims about Venezuela. Any soldier who goes along with it and “follows orders” is a willing accomplice. There’s no justifying your participation in these war crimes. As far as I’m concerned, anyone who damages Venezuelan property or causes harm to Venezuelan people is fucking scum deserving to get sent to the Hague.

      But no. Americans will wag their fingers at Trump while “supporting the troops” who made the decision to kill innocent people. Americans are so detached and isolated from the violence of our military it all becomes an abstract force of nature, something that just happens, instead of people capable of telling right from wrong and choosing to do wrong.

      Vietnam vets didn’t get spat on but they should have and so should any troops who decide the Nuremberg Defense is what they’ll use after ransacking Venezuela.

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        Assuming a full-scale military intervention in Venezuela doesn’t end in a decisive U.S. victory within two days (kind of expecting it considering the never-ending stream of bad news and U.S. victories), I hope that at least thousands of U.S. troops end up getting butchered, maimed, and traumatized.

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          Assuming a full-scale military intervention in Venezuela doesn’t end in a decisive U.S. victory within two days

          It would be an unbelievable disaster of a guerrilla war that would never end. Mountainous, forested terrain full of armed and trained militiamen.

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            Yeah, that’s what I want to believe. It makes sense, but I keep getting sucker-punched by life so much I can’t put faith into anything that “sounds” reasonable anymore agony-limitless

            Edit: Like “here are all the points in Venezuela’s favor” and then the invasion begins and suddenly all of that just evaporates overnight after everything.

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              I don’t see how the US has any viable options other than bombings. Anything else has such high risks I doubt they’d attempt it. Bombing is plenty bad enough obviously, but seems unlikely to achieve their goals.

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              I get that. Since Syria fell, it’s hard to have hope in anyone standing against the US and it’s allies. And there are more US puppets in South America than there are allies of Venezuela and Colombia.

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              others have already chimed in but I just want to say that Operation Timber Sycamore was a 13 year project

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            The problem is that Venezuela doesn’t have a bordering country willing to smuggle weapons to guerillas like Vietnam had, so American naval blockade would cut off supplies and quickly strangle guerilla movements to manageable levels.

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          Much more likely to be a jungle version of Afghanistan. They may get the government out initially, but there will be a prolonged insurgency afterwards that I do not believe they can win.

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            Will still be horrible for Venezuela and the left in South America in general. Even if the US doesn’t get their preferred stooge in charge, and it’s some random anti-American warlord, if it’s not a communist or socialist, that would suck.

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      it’s not treats, it’s brain broken yearning for treats “if only we did le institutionalism, we could live like americans” no you can’t, institutionalism for you is selling yourself out, institutionalism for west is buying you. (and live like americans is tv shows of 2-5 million homes, not trailer parks somehow)

      (there is something to be said about using raw material gains to provide immediate relief (via fuel subsidies) as in bolivia or venezuela, instead of permanent fixed capital, to make stuff and reduce import dependency, but that’s another matter entirely)

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    “We think (with no evidence) that if we attack a sovereign country, they might try to slow us down, fight us and stuff. It’s fucking unfair!”

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    Yeah mate the special forces ship you’ve got 30km off the coast is just there for funsies right? Hasn’t been deploying anyone into the country I’m sureeeeeeee.

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      no those reports of crumbling infrastructure and overblown because it includes areas not traveled frequently

      Really lovely excuse some people like to use whenever our shit infrastructure is brought up. Doubly fun when it’s rural people saying this who are most affected by the stuff falling apart

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          Good show, albeit I was thinking more

          “Mountain falls on it, 0 dead because monitoring caught it” | "30 dead in bridge collapse after pilotless ship gets caught in “The Crazy Current Corner”
          “20 dead raises question about how a bridge with no maintenance since 1969 has collapsed” | “still no bridge to little st. james”

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    Feels like they’re not even trying to convince anyone, just provide a script to for friendly media to spoon-feed their most credulous and most cynical supporters.

    I guess if they have a short, tidy little war then people will just kinda move on and forget about this, so it sort of works in that case. But if anything happens to cause sustained attention, this kinda bullshit will completely fall apart and wreck the credibility of everyone involved. And I feel like it’s already reaching that attention threshold just because Trump can’t resist making everything into a spectacle.

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    That’s just horrible

    That’s like when Ted Bundy received reports that women were murdering each other and placing the blame on him. Ted Bundy continues to stand by women against corruption and tyranny.