After the recent struggle session which resulted in
CW: It’s pretty self indulgent considering the gravity of the actual situation.
I am left disquieted due to various people who represented zionists positions directly or held space for these. Particularly (but not only) those who are admins and mods. People who think the above image is a “holocaust flag”. And otherwise seem to have conjured a fictious form of anti semitism, just for deploying here.
Well OK maybe it is allowed to give people a week or a month to mull things over and reconsider their positions. But do we come back to it? Or should I just seethe with resentment, hold a grudge, and snipe about other things going forward?
On the other hand, the majority & plurality were on the correct side of things. So that’s good. I just… Idk I don’t expect hegemony but this is literally such a simple issue. I don’t know how anyone who feels different could feel comfortable on this site. it’s like learning mods/admins are triggered by a guillotine.
In some ways it could be “the fighting is so fierce because the stakes are so low”. (The stakes = emojis)
But on the other hand, the stakes are so huge and this is just the scale of fighting that’s near at hand.
Nobody ever accused me of being perfect and well behaved so maybe I’m just throwing stones from a glass house. I explicitly must consent to whatever critique in that regard.
I would like to suggest that on the new user signup page the question be changed to read
What are your views on GSM / LGBTQ rights, racial justice, animal liberation,
Although I have no idea what sort of answers people make to these. So maybe it’s stupid.
Fucking shit. People are fucking being fucking murdered right at this fucking moment.
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Some of the comments in that thread were incredibly distressing to read initially, but then seeing people double down was so awful. How do you watch a genocide go for two years and still say things like that?
It’s incomprehensible how mods are super sensitive to nazi dogwhistles, but regarding outright zionist positions it takes site-wide outrage to ban someone.
It confirms the US/European chauvinist bias on the site where mods and users are way more forgiving to those users with zionists brainworms than to arab users who do not share our sensitivities to US/European style nazi dogwhistles.
That “holocaust flag” thing is probably the worst take I’ve ever seen on here
Just absolute dogshit
After seeing this, I respect Frauddogg’s decision to delete void’s account out of shame instead of sweeping terrible takes under the rug
Frauddog used [null/void] if I remember correctly. I would have liked to watch frauddog get banned though!
Which one is that
Lyudmila https://hexbear.net/comment/6421651
@ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 's take
One of the modsA user said that to someone in a different thread, and they were being called out on it in the flag discussion.A member of the mod team did call it the “holocaust emoji”
Correct yourself back, see my other comment
I really don’t want to jump in on this discussion, but ProfessorOwl has never been a mod.
Edit: I used the search function to make sure that no one else said “Holocaust flag”.
In the previous thread of hellinkilla on the struggle session thread, there was evidence that Lyudmila did indeed call it that.
Ah, my bad. I had attributed that to the wrong person. Thanks for catching that
In the previous thread of hellinkilla on the struggle session thread, there was evidence that Lyudmila did indeed call it that.
No worries, comrade
I think that Zionists are bad and shouldn’t be aroundDeath to “Israel”
The funny thing is that the star is not even the star of David but an identical symbol called the seal of Solomon. As far as I’m aware, the star of David is just the seal of Solomon used within a Jewish context, and since the Zionist entity isn’t remotely related to Judaism because Zionism isn’t Judaism, then that pretty much seals the deal in terms of whether it’s the star of David or the seal of Solomon, doesn’t it?
And unlike the star of David, the seal of Solomon has been put on flags before. Here’s some examples:
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Flag of Nigeria when it was a British colony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Nigeria_(1952–1960).svg
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Coat of arms of the Regency of Algiers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lesser_coat_of_arms_of_the_Regency_of_Algiers.svg
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Personal standard of some Ottoman admiral: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BarbarosSancagi.svg
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Imperial standard of Haile Selassie I: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethiopian_imperial_standard_of_Haile_Selassie_I_(obverse).svg
And here’s perhaps the most Jewish coded seal of Solomon:
The blue and white makes you think this is actually a star of David, but nope, it’s just a blue and white themed seal of Solomon. Judaism has nothing to do with the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service. There’s a grand total of 55 Jewish people in a country of more than a million.
I’d like a knowledgeable Jewish comrade to weigh in on this before I believe this immediately. There’s likely a historical relationship between the 2 that we are not seeing and that makes this a pretty vague, possibly incorrect post.
I’d also accept a historical expert’s take
@AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml @AYJANIBRAHIMOV@lemmygrad.ml hallo friends sorry if you feel tokenized by this but I consider you both good sources on the matter
Just because zionism and judaism aren’t equivalent, doesn’t mean they’re not related. It’s a Jewish supremacist project and the flag is supposed to represent “the Jewish state”. It seems disingenuous to claim that this symbol isn’t there in a “Jewish context”.
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Deeply unserious craKKKer website
Who would have thought they’d just try to move on from that horrendous mess and pretend like everythings fine like a bunch of liberals, the very thing they claim to despise? Oh wait, I did
At least most of the users here have taken the correct position. In all honesty, I think that most non-mod users have held this position for a while (at least as long as I have had an account) but have been afraid to advocate for their position due to moderation.
Yup, and people still trying to tell us it’s no big deal and to go outside. It’s tedious.
Hear hear, well said. It’s weird how it just… went away.
I predicted that
- we’d update the emoji ✅
- z would stay banned ✅
- nobody would be punished ❌
- immediately swept under the rug ✅ 3 out of 4 ain’t bad!
Well, has nakoichi or any of the other zionist mods been punished? I haven’t seen such so far. You may have called a no-hitter.
The zion-owl got banned, and nakoichi stepped down as a mod. There were a few others that nothing happened to though. They weren’t as blatant and hid behind plausible deniability which makes it a harder case to make than profeSSer_owl.
Maybe I get a half point then?
I didn’t see that part, glad it happened.
I think Nakoichi was demodded?
Feeling like a combination of Danny Glover with the pizzas and the “I guess we’re doing circles now” guy atm
I’m just glad everyone is having fun
I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasn’t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions
edit: apparently they called it that once and then apologies about it, the person who originally said it wasn’t a mod though
If anyone has a problem with how the mod team operates, maybe they should volunteer?
fucking shit. People are fucking being murdered right at this fucking moment
Maybe we should stop arguing about a fucking emoji then. At the end of the day it’s all performative. Maybe put your energy someplace else, organize, protest, or
insteadI hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasn’t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions
The first person who called it a “holocaust emoji” was not a mod, but a mod/admin did pick it up and used it.
So you’re just wrong here.
Maybe we should stop arguing about a fucking emoji then. At the end of the day it’s all performative. Maybe put your energy someplace else, organize, protest, or instead
It’s no more “performative” than you pretending that you don’t care and are above it all
The first person who called it a “holocaust emoji” was not a mod, but a mod/admin did pick it up and used it.
No source given.As I said in a previous comment, I did a good faith search for this and found nothing.This is admin Lyudmila calling it a “holocaust emoji”:
(https://hexbear.net/comment/6421651)
To be fair, she did later apologize for it. But she did do it.
I think everyone was getting a little too heated, Lyudmila included.
Whatever dude, I’m done with the wrecker ass thread.
Wrecker = when people rightfully disagree with and prove you wrong
Who are the “wreckers”? The zionist apologists or the anti-zionists?
Any community or movement that is “wrecked” by calling out genocide apologia shouldn’t fucking exist.
When I get heated I don’t “accidentally” start repeating genocide apologia and if I did I would expect to be banned or at the very least not still be in a position of authority afterwards.
you don’t understand, it was just a heated poster moment!
“I’m about to do a heated admin move”
shits out a bunch of Hasbara talking points
https://hexbear.net/comment/6421651
sorry I think I grabbed the wrong link the first time
My bad. I edited my comment.
all good, it’s easy to miss
I stand corrected, I guess a single mod did use it a single time.
What’s important is that you can still feel smug about it despite being completely wrong.
Moderates the third largest com, is a site admin, and specifically the site admin who took on the PR role 9 months ago https://hexbear.net/comment/5620028
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I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasn’t even on the mod team.
Yes, that one single mod. That one person. You didn’t ask for a group of mods.
And doubled down. But not wanting genocide apologists to hold positions of authority in our community is apparently “wrecker shit”.
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My bad. I searched for “Holocaust flag” from a previous comment.
I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasn’t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions
https://hexbear.net/comment/6421651
Admin and moderator of c/slop, wtf are you talking about?
Like I said, deeply deeply unserious
I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasn’t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions
I don’t really have the energy to dig into this again but people should know that this is actually not true. A site admin called it the holocaust emoji and then apologized for it later, calling it a glib comment. I’m not trying to target anyone or call anyone out in particular, it’s just that it’s an alarming echo of Zionist talking points that I encounter regularly IRL and I think it’s an indication that some of the people running this site need to self-critique.
Which again, if the emoji is really not a big deal then why the intense pushback and accusations of anti-semitism over it? And it turns out, a few dozen pixels were actually a lightning rod for reactionary tendencies, I mean, charitably speaking, it revealed that some people with mod powers are accidentally tailing Zionism, which, I don’t understand how that’s not concerning in August 2025.
Because pushback from minority users with actual support and evidence = wow you must be making things up + wasting your time when you could be doing REAL activism!! No way you can multitask
But it’s okay when they do it, they must know better than us because crakkker
Online crakkkers shoving Zionist talking points down your throat: No big deal, recreational shitposting
Online em/poc pushing back: a complete waste of everyone’s time and fuck you, go outside!!!
I. NO INVESTIGATION, NO RIGHT TO SPEAK
Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense?
it’s been 4 days and it still hurts, there’s a Z-shaped hole in my heart that drugs and alcohol just won’t fill
Since we’re going to re-litigate this whole thing again, just keep in mind of something. We have at least one person on this site who is being starved. They have had actual bombs from IDF dropped on their house and neighborhood. Everything normal, including being able to regularly post on this site, has been taken from them (someone posts on their behalf iirc).
No emoji is going to make them feel better. The fight for their life and the cause of their pain is far removed from whatever happened or will happen on this site.
No emoji is going to make them feel better.
True, but that’s not really the issue here, is it.
The issue is that certain people on this site put the feelings of genociders above the lives of the genocided.
And they deserve to be called out for that.
Good point and I agree 💯 on principle. Are you going to post this same comment on all the other threads burying those mutual aid requests? If not, why this thread in particular?
You didn’t have to go bump those threads, my point wasn’t that this thread is pushing more important threads down. One of my hopes was that someone would momentarily look outside of threads and posting all together. I guess I was hoping for a little too much.
We may not actually agree on principle but I will vote for you to be mod or admin if the time comes.
I unironically appreciate that you brought the attention back to the mutual aid threads (whether or not that was the specific intention), it’s actually messed up that we’re out here posting peepeepoopoo every day while our Palestinian friends are begging for us not to let them starve to death.
I appreciate the vote and have thought about giving it a shot after I graduate but I’m for real up to my neck in real life rn (turns out it’s not easy to find correct alternator parts!) and
arguing aboutfighting for better site culture is an enjoyable break in a way, believe it or not.
Personally, I think it’s completely asinine when mods remove those Palestinian mutual aids because they posted in comms other than /c/mutual_aid or /c/chapotraphouse. Oh boo hoo, one of them posted their Gofundme in /c/science or /c/earth. They could spam the entire site with their Gofundmes and I wouldn’t give a fuck and neither should everyone else.
I didn’t know that was happening, I thought they were given exceptions.
That’s really unbelievably fucked up.
While we’re at it, can we please not have anyone in a position of authority who would call it a “holocaust emoji”? Because that is some hardcore genocide apologist shit and it shouldn’t be welcome here.
bruh people can be wrong and I think that catastrophizing the issue like this is basically fed posting. It’s making mountains out of molehills type shit to dismantle spaces and up heave leadership.
Sure, people can be wrong. I’ve been wrong about plenty of things. But there’s a line between a moderately bad take and repeating genocide apologia and we should be able to hold people in a position of authority to that standard. I just don’t think it’s a lot to ask that people in a position of authority shouldn’t be people who are comfortable repeating Zionist apologia. Where would you draw the line? Because , to be clear, the mod in question compared burning the flag of a settler-colonial entity currently committing a genocide TO a historical genocide. That is just straight up genocide apologia.
isntrael
Good one. Calls to attention that Israel is actually just an hallucinated country (the first one that I can recall of), much like all the shit that AIs come up with. It was invented out of over-accommodating for pity, and in terms of being a country should rightfully be treated as such.
Not out of pity, that’s another Zionist lie that people accept out of good faith. It was founded by Zionists as a settler colony with absolutely no pity, and supported by anti-semites as a place to send away their unwanted Jewish population. You could say the UN resolution of 48 was maybe over accommodating for pity. But the Zionist settler colony is older than that one resolution
Countries are all kinda made up, but some are more flagrant
What in gods name did i miss?
We should have added the emoji months ago once it was requested.
It was requested years ago, but ok
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