• anticurrent@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    9·
    20 hours ago

    According to a recent pen state uni poll, 80% of Israeli society support the forced removal of Palestinians from Gaza. If we follow the reasoning in this post, the Israeli society is kinda locco ◑﹏◐

    • Hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      9·
      19 hours ago

      Either that, or the psychological abuse techniques that militaries do to turn normal people into obedient soldiers are effective. Israel has compulsory military service, so nearly all of the population of the country went through it. That’s how they get that 80% support.

  • Daftydux@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    383·
    1 day ago

    I dont oppose donald trump because im a democrat or a liberal.

    I oppose donald trump because im not a fucking psychopath.

    Opposing donald trump is so obvious, so common sense, such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, being a human 101 position that if it isn’t immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic facts, your problem is, much, much deeper than whatever ideology or bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There’s something wrong with you as a person.

    • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
      13·
      1 day ago

      Even most of the conservative politicians in the US seemed to take this approach, until he started winning (read also: liberal politicians failed to counter his right-wing populism).

  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
    172·
    1 day ago

    I mean… I’ve been saying similar stuff for a while. I’m not on anyone’s side specifically. I live far enough away to not be affected by the situation and for my opinion to have no affect on the situation. Simply put: it’s not useful for me to have an opinion, so I don’t have one.

    HOWEVER: I always have and always will oppose the unnecessary death and cruelty happening. Doesn’t matter where, or who, or when… If some group is killing another group, I don’t like that.

    The only good reason to use violence on a global stage is to stop violence; aka self defense. Like what’s happening to the Ukraine, as a simple example. The Ukraine is well within their right to defend themselves and their land from a foreign invader. I am opposed to the Russian army marching across international borders and seizing land by killing whomever tries to stop them and/or whomever is there. Not cool. I dislike Russia’s actions there. I don’t dislike Russia’s or Russians, I don’t have a problem with any individual person. I have a problem with the decision that was made at the highest levels of government to invade.

    Same thing here. I could not care less which side is comprised of what people’s of what culture or religion… I just don’t like that one group is invading/bombing/killing the other. I have no animosity towards those defending themselves, trying to not get killed…

    I don’t know why everyone needs to make every opinion on the matter a question of race, religion, or whatever. I don’t care, just stop murdering eachother.

  • vorb0te@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    111·
    1 day ago

    I only know her from claiming there will be no Russian invasion while it already had begun. Later, she is peddling Russian propaganda. Moron.

  • Vazz (He/Him)@lemmy.worldEnglish
    16·
    1 day ago

    Isn’t being against war and genocide the same as anti-imperialism? I hate how saying “War is bad” has become so controversial and extremist.

    • aredditimmigrant@endlesstalk.orgEnglish
      21·
      1 day ago

      This is only looking at the surface level…

      It’s not that “war is bad” in this case. It’s that people fear that it’s a small jump from “the govt of Israel is bad for killing Gazans” to “Israel is bad” to “the idea of Israel is bad” to “Jews are bad”.

  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    161·
    1 day ago

    I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.

    Israel is destroying its reputation and its future with its current actions. Yet no power in the world can stop them today, because they have waay too many weapons.

    • the_crotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      15·
      1 day ago

      I think there will be consequences for innocent Jews who have nothing to do with the Israeli genocide. This sort of behavior gives ammo and a perception of legitimacy to antisemites. Israel is making things harder for Jews worldwide for years to come.

    • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
      5·
      1 day ago

      Have there been consequences for the United States’ or Canada’s genocides against Indigenous peoples? Not really.

      People can just get away with things unless you make them pay for it.

      EDIT case in point, 200 years from now we could be celebrating the jewel of democracy Israel, while “acknowledging its troubled past” but you’re still doing this over the bones of the people your predecessors slaughtered. I’m not even saying it wouldn’t be genuine, like people today in the US and Canada bemoan the actions of previous colonizers. But the fact of what happened remains immutable. The slaughter happened, and the people who committed it accomplished their aims. They got away with it.

    • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      1 day ago

      I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.

      Possibly, but that won’t help the dead kids. The focus must be on stopping the genocide as quickly as possible. Finding and punishing the perps can wait.

  • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
    53·
    20 hours ago

    One thing I’ve noticed is that many people will accuse you of supporting genocide if you say anything positive about Israel (and by that I mean anything not explicitly negative), or fail to condemn anybody who has failed to condemn Israel, or if you don’t spit immediately after saying the word “Israel”. Same if you point out that the Biden administration in November was actively negotiating the ceasefire that went into effect a day or two after Trump’s inauguration, even as people were calling Harris a nazi and refusing to vote for her because she was “complicit”. It’s like people expect world politics and diplomacy to operate at the same speed as meme outrage.

      • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        It’s actually a little hard for me to understand why there’s money there. Are there really just that many rich Israelis? What money is there in genocide?

        • Doorbook@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          1 day ago

          June 2023, Benjamin Mileikowsky later known as Netanyahu, went to the UN assembly, and showed a map for a new middle east. He draw a line of a gas pipe that cross from Qatar all the way to Gaza, leading to Europe.

          Prior to that February 2023, Israel signed a deal with Lebanon and Hezbollah for maritime border and gas mining.

          Prior to that, not sure when exactly, but there were an estimated billions worth of gas and oil off the shore of Gaza.

          With Europe still dependent on Russian gas and oil, European countries are looking for alternative.

          This is made Palestinian realized that they will be crushed. For Zionist to establish these massive supply chain, they need to address Palestinian. Hamas decided to put Israel and the world in confrontation of its own colonist project, this base on a statement by Sinwar. Otherwise, it will be a slow death without much backlash.

          This is in regards of current event and how many play into it.

          There are also the other side. The US economy completely dependent on Military. Zionist knew this very earlier, all they have to do is to angle themselves in a situation where they control the US government to benefit the most.

          Before that Zionist ideology “a Jew State” which ironically similar to “Islamic State” aka “ISIS” as a concept started earlier than WWI.

          this ideology is supported by two group: Jew Zionist such and Christian Zionist.

          You can look into how Zionist started, and how one of the richest family in the world influenced the initial promise by UK for European Jew to take over Palestine here more about it:

          Edmond James de Rothschild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_James_de_Rothschild

          You can get lost in this because it will answer question, how they control media, US government, and most Tech companies. Mix that with religious view for multiple groups and you will end up with the most pure and supported genocidal project in modern times.

          P.S: there are also part of association with Nazi Germany, and conspiracy theories about where the Nazi gold went, control of banks in NewYork, and even facts regarding Maxwell a double UK and Mosad agent and the father of Epstein assistance running a blackmail ring in the US. Along with fact regarding how every hotel / room in Israel is most likely have spy camera ( they also tried to put spy camera in the washroom after visiting the UK PM a while back) and you end up with fuck tons of power over influencer people.

        • smol_beans@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 day ago

          Right wing Christians in America regularly send money to Israel because they believe it will bring about the end times (not joking)

          Also, there is a lot of money in the military industrial complex, American arms manufacturers always need a customer.

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
      14·
      1 day ago

      Because western ideology is ultimately ultranationalism, they will always support their country against others.

  • Genius@lemmy.zipEnglish
    711·
    2 days ago

    You shouldn’t blame Zionism on a mental illness. Zionism is a choice to be awful.

    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      162·
      1 day ago

      I think all fascism is a mental illness.

      Luckily, there is a treatment, as demonstrated by one of its most famous sufferers. It can even be self administered!

    • HasturInYellow@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      2 days ago

      Are bad/lacking morals a mental illness? Seriously, at what point do we draw the line? It’s a curious topic.

      • Genius@lemmy.zipEnglish
        15·
        2 days ago

        No, they’re not. When psychologists become the arbiters of correct morality and pathologise disagreement, society is fucked.

        You’re thinking of what happens when good people make the rules. But what if people like Freud were in charge of calling certain moral values illnesses? We already have enough problems with things like homosexuality being called a mental illness. What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?

        • TronBronson@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          1 day ago

          It’s working it’s way in there. Give it a few more years and they’ll be able to institutionalize us for TDS.

    • angrystego@lemmy.worldEnglish
      34·
      2 days ago

      That’s not what she does. Being a bad person or even being a psychopath is not considered a mental illness.

      • Genius@lemmy.zipEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        In a certain sense you’re right; psychop*th is Greek for “suffering soul”. It’s supposed to just refer to the abstract idea of mental illness. But in practice, it’s a slur against ASPD. And even if that weren’t the case, using the Greek word for mentally ill person as an insult is disgusting behaviour.

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    138·
    1 day ago

    This astrology grifter is phony AF. She suddenly became political a few years ago by promoting the invasion of ukraine. Peak russian asset.

    Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism. It’s a pattern.

    Please don’t promote this crap just because it sounds “good”. Free Palestine.

    • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldEnglish
      96·
      1 day ago

      This astrology grifter is phony AF.

      Ad hominem. Doesn’t invalidate the words above.

      Notice the implied anti-semitism and missing zionism.

      I noticed no implied anti-semitism. I noticed explicit criticism of the Israeli government.

      Please don’t promote this crap just because it sounds “good”.

      True. Promote it to highlight the genocide that is currently occurring.

      Free Palestine.

      Agreed, but I suspect yours isn’t genuine.

      • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        51·
        21 hours ago

        “She suddenly became political a few years ago by promoting the invasion of ukraine. Peak russian asset.”

        Is it an ad hominem when you include the rest which explains the claim made you excerpted?

        • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          19 hours ago

          Yes. Any attacking of the messenger to deflect from the message is ad hominem.

          And trying to move the attention from Israeli genocide onto a tangential topic is called forum sliding.

    • AreaSIX @lemm.eeEnglish
      11·
      1 day ago

      Jesus, how much have the Zionists modified that Wiki article? A text supposedly about how Israelis dehumanize Palestinians repeatedly starts by reciting the issue with Palestinians and Muslims dehumanizing Jews? This is the first mention of the details of dehumanization:

      “Among Palestinians, Israelis have been referred to as pigs, dogs, and bloodsucking vampires, while in Israeli discourse references to Palestinians as savage animals and or repugnant critters has also been attested, and at least once, protesting Gazans have been described as mere ammunition weaponized by their “cannibal” leaders.”

      And this is the first paragraph under “Background”:

      “Even though Jews, like a number of other religious minorities, Christians included, were accorded protected status in Islamic societies, the use of abusive stereotypes was not uncommon, some of them were grounded in Quranic and early scholarly traditions.”

      Is this about Israeli dehumanization of Palestinians? WTF? Let’s always start by reciting how Muslims maybe kind of deserve it, or maybe bring the dehumanization on themselves.

    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      51·
      1 day ago

      No but you antisemites just dont understand! Exterminating the hamas people is the culture of the jewish people¹. So really, by stopping the ‘genocide’, youre actually doing genocide against a proud 5000 year old culture! Youre literally hitler, who was actually just an innocent tool duped by hamas btw.

      ¹those weak subhuman diaspora ‘jews’ may try to mislead you about that. Clearly this is just internalized antisemitism.

  • Lucky_777@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1192·
    2 days ago

    This will be a terrible mark on human history. When the world watched as internet personalities sailed into Gaza to provide aid. When we did nothing as women and children starved to death before our eyes.

    Who will be ignored next?

    • Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish
      283·
      2 days ago

      Who will be ignored next?

      • Sudan
      • Myanmar
      • Armenia
      • Afghanistan
      • Tibet

      These aren’t next, these are already forgotten even though they’re catastrophes. Hell, even Ukraine is being forgotten even though it’s one the biggest wars in 21st century. When India and Pakistan looked like they were about to go to war, this Israel/Palestine war was also pushed to the back of people’s minds.

      I think this is the just the nature of humans. People want to think they’re noble and righteous, but they won’t actually do anything, and the moment a new war starts they’ll move on to that because it’s new and we have short attention spands.

        • Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          19 hours ago

          You are entirely correct. People like to think the war is over, but it’s still very much on going.

        • endlesstlksss@endlesstalk.orgEnglish
          12·
          1 day ago

          I didn’t forget syria. The fact the west is perfectly content with an ex isis leader just tells you everything you need to know about their moral high ground

      • untorquer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        2 days ago

        I think it’s media bias and sensationalism. It happens when journalism has a profit incentive and is owned by 4 or 5 oligarchs/ultra-wealthy.

        • Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          19 hours ago

          I think that’s a contributing factor, but I don’t think it’s the only one. We live in the age of social media where anybody anywhere can post anything at any time. Anybody can be a journalist and post pictures, videos, or give live updates as events are happening. In fact we have a lot of people like this from just about every conflict in the world who give us updates just about everyday. Despite this, things like wars are still treated as trends by people. When the fad gets old, people get bored and move on to the next new thing.

      • endlesstlksss@endlesstalk.orgEnglish
        21·
        1 day ago

        How is ukraine forgetten we’re constantly told that we should buy more bombs. Meanwhile i can’t see my mum because hospitals are understaffed

        • Gorilladrums@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          19 hours ago

          Ukraine in society’s mind has slipped a lot over the past couple of years. We used to hear about all the terrorist attacks that Russia would commit, and people used to rally support for Ukraine way more passionately. Now, Ukraine is a divisive issue and people only talk about Ukraine when they do a really big and successful military operation.

    • EndRedStateSubsidies@leminal.spaceEnglish
      833·
      2 days ago

      My entire school life there was so much pontification over what “you” would do during segregation or the Holocaust or slavery?

      Turns out my entire family would grow a toothbrush moustaches and start painting vegan landscapes while I kept working because the cost of living rises more than wages and I long for the reprieve of death.

    • CriticalThought@lemmy.worldEnglish
      181·
      2 days ago

      Who will be ignored next?

      I hate to say it, but there hasn’t been a time in modern history where there weren’t women and children starving while the rest of the world did nothing.

      • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        132·
        1 day ago

        Some leftists and others fall back on the old stereotype of powerhungry Reds who pursue power for powers sake without regard for actual social goals. If true, one wonders why, in country after country, these Reds side with the poor and powerless often at great risk and sacrifice to themselves, rather than reaping the rewards that come with serving the well-placed.

        For decades, many left-leaning writers and speakers in the United States have felt obliged to establish their credibility by indulging in anticommunist and anti-Soviet genuflection, seemingly unable to give a talk or write an article or book review on whatever political subject without injecting some anti-Red sideswipe. The intent was, and still is, to distance themselves from the Marxist-Leninist Left.

        …

        Purging the Left of communists became a longstanding practice, having injurious effects on various progressive causes. For instance, in 1949 some twelve unions were ousted from the CIO because they had Reds in their leadership. The purge reduced CIO membership by some 1.7 million and seriously weakened its recruitment drives and political clout. In the late 1940s, to avoid being “smeared” as Reds, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), a supposedly progressive group, became one of the most vocally anticommunist organizations.

        The strategy did not work. ADA and others on the Left were still attacked for being communist or soft on communism by those on the Right. Then and now, many on the Left have failed to realize that those who fight for social change on behalf of the less-privileged ele¬ ments of society will be Red-baited by conservative elites whether they are communists or not. For ruling interests, it makes little dif¬ ference whether their wealth and power is challenged by “communist subversives” or “loyal American liberals.” All are lumped together as more or less equally abhorrent.

        …

        Sorely lacking within the U.S. Left is any rational evaluation of the Soviet Union, a nation that endured a protracted civil war and a multinational foreign invasion in the very first years of its existence, and that two decades later threw back and destroyed the Nazi beast at enormous cost to itself. In the three decades after the Bolshevik revolution, the Soviets made industrial advances equal to what capitalism took a century to accomplish — while feeding and schooling their children rather than working them fourteen hours a day as capitalist industrialists did and still do in many parts of the world. And the Soviet Union, along with Bulgaria, the German Democratic Republic, and Cuba, provided vital assistance to national liberation movements in countries around the world, including Nelson Mandelas African National Congress in South Africa.

        • Parenti “Blackshirts and Reds”