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hackerwacker@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 8 months ago

Iran backs China-Brazil peace plan for Ukraine war

www.tehrantimes.com

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Iran backs China-Brazil peace plan for Ukraine war

www.tehrantimes.com

hackerwacker@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 8 months ago
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  • Breezy@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Yes that is indeed what happened.

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      Jeffrey Sachs: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace

      Etcetera.

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      Well you’re just stupid then

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        I might be, but lets put that to the side, why did russia invade ukraine?

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          If you’re actually curious and have 20 minutes, try this video: Ukraine: The Avoidable War

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          NATO expansion

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            Sovereign countries can’t choose their allies? Really? When long-time neutral countries have decided that not even being neutral will protect them anymore from invasion, your answer is that they should be invaded?

            Russia has the world’s largest land mass of any country, and the longest border. And they think they’re entitled buffer states all along that border? How is that in the interest of the people in those neighboring states? Most of them have already experienced the joys of having a Russian boot on their neck, and have voted with their feet to control their own destinies instead.

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              No, you can’t just place NATO missiles on the border just like the US freaked out about the Cuban missile crisis, which ironically was the USSR just retaliating because we placed missiles close to them in the first place.

              Also another reason for the war is that we directed Ukraine to kill their ethnic Russians in the 2 independent republics. Putin complained to the UN but nobody would listen. Also we couped their government in 2014. https://youtu.be/L2XNN0Yt6D8

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              Sovereign countries can’t choose their allies? Really? When long-time neutral countries have decided that not even being neutral will protect them anymore from invasion, your answer is that they should be invaded?

              History started only in the 2000s for you. I understand.

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            NATO expansion

            Which is not real. I am saddened you choose to believe in it.

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              NATO expansion

              Which is not real. I am saddened you choose to believe in it.

              🤔

              "Chronology of membership of the European portion of NATO" gif animation

              (via this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO …which will presumably amaze you)

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                Posting maps and call it a day. Classic. Any kind of context is for nerds I guess?

                Please dear, don’t do that. It makes you look so painfully misinformed.

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                  Posting maps and call it a day. Classic. Any kind of context is for nerds I guess?

                  Your comment I replied to also doesn’t say anything about the context of the expansion, it just says it “is not real”.

                  But if you want some context, I encourage you to watch the 20min video i posted earlier in this thread.

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              Any kind of context is for nerds I guess?

              He and I already gave context upthread, but here it is again.

              • NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard: U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
              • Robert Parry, 2015: The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
              • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
              • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
              • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
              • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
              • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
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              smuglord

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          Demonstrate a good faith attempt to answer the question yourself. It’s been two years.

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            You’re the one that asked the question, “Because Russia just invaded out of nowhere, right?” It’s clearly your turn to answer here.

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              I wasn’t signing a contract to provide a service. I was mocking you for being oblivious/dishonest.

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