This is Alfred slander. He’s the only person on Earth who can slap sense into fucking Batman, not some old fuck who should have been in hospice care two years ago
He’s the only aged gentleman who will headbutt supes in the nose.
There is at least one timeline where Alfred has rocked Superman’s shit just for daring to show his face after a fight he had where he injured batman.
Absolutely! I’d take Alfred, if he were the option. At least he could string together a sentence that makes sense. So essentially, our choice is between the Joker and the Riddler.
Can the Democrats please stop tolerating everything? We haven’t even officially declared a candidate. Let’s take a good look at our options and stop forcing the country into another awful Sophie’s choice.
The options are the Joker and… uh, Thomas Wayne. Like, current day Thomas Wayne.
Terrible analogy.
This is the goddamn DNC’s fault. They are allergic to supporting anyone that’s not an old school establishment Democrat.
Give us a suitable candidate. Biden is too old and everyone knows it.
Give us someone that is actually progressive and that actually wants to help the American people. We have a few very obvious issues that neither of our geriatric overlords are addressing.
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ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE. This is the most important one. Just do something. Anything. Nothing is being done and it’s getting hotter every year.
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Lower the cost of living. Rent is out of control. Food costs are out of control. It’s hard to live right now. Protect US citizens from corporate greed.
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Fix the real estate market. Most of us will never be able to own a house because several corporations have been allowed to run amok. Make it so the average person can buy a house.
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Healthcare for all. It’s not complicated.
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Stop the genocide.
Put someone forward with this obvious and simple platform, and I promise they win.
We are not married to Biden. Get us someone younger. Why is this so hard?
- During Biden’s first term, we’ve made several of the biggest steps toward addressing climate change, ever
- Biden has made huge steps, despite congressional opposition, in making education and healthcare more affordable
- The real estate and rental prices are local, and some of us live where our local politicians are at least trying
Yeah, Biden has done a lot of really good shit. The president only has so much power.
Fucking thank you. I agree with every single one of these things
Wanna run for president? I’ll vote
Run, I’ll vote for you, hell id run on that platform exactly if I had a few million for campaigning.
Primaires are over. That was the time to select the DNC candidate.
You did have someone younger. DURING THE PRIMARIES WHEN THIS DECISION WAS MADE. PAY ATTENTION.
Or perhaps you didn’t like the younger man’s decisions.
So then maybe age alone doesn’t hold all the answers to everyone’s problems as you’d have us all believe.
Who did you have on your primary ballot? Mine was Biden and No Preference
Your mom
I would vote for scops mom over biden
It’s a joke. Not an analogy lol
Because for someone to get elected, they need more than just YOUR vote, David.
There are millions of voters that might agree with points 1,2,3 and 4, but don’t think it’s a genocide. They won’t vote for your guy.
Millions more agree with 1,2,3 and 5. But your guys ideas on Healthcare is a non-starter. More lost votes.
See where I’m going here? Your guy didn’t even say a WORD about abortion rights, immigration, gun laws, unemployment, inflation, global war and terrorism, technology threats, the economy, tariffs, and so much more.
It’s not the DNCs fault. Do you know how the Republicans made abortion illegal again? They attacked it year after year, and nobody on the left defended it. We just sit in message boards passively crying “Give us a suitable candidate!!”
ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE.
that’s our job. government is not going to solve this. wanna make change for the better? start training for guerilla warfare.
What are we as individuals supposed to do? I can only cut down on my polluting so much. My ability to do so is severely limited by the options available to me which are decided by corporations.
Especially cause it’s a myth that regular people have all the power when it comes to climate change. Most of the issues come directly from factories that could be doing better to minimize toxic waste and pollution but instead they spend billions lobbying to make it okay.
Yea, I can cut down on my driving, try not to be wasteful, and look for less plastic packaging and all that but that all depends on what options are available to me. If I need something and all the options are in the worst packaging possible or they sell electronic garbage that breaks after a year because the company doesn’t care then it’s out of my hands.
Yea, at the end of the day my only solace is that I’m not having kids and neither are my siblings so I don’t have to worry about the planet being fucked for them. Don’t get me wrong i’ll still do everything I can for our youth and I’m a punk at heart but I won’t lose too much sleep over it.
Yea, I’m not interested in having kids either. Which now that I think of it is a pretty good benefit for the environment too as I’m cancelling out all my potential descendants emissions.
make the corporations scared of us/force their hand. hit their pocket books. make consequences for immoral CEO’s. don’t wait for government to do it. that window has closed.
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Guerilla warfare against who? The people causing climate change don’t live in jungles.
We’re really gonna civil war before breaking the two party system with Ranked Choice voting?
Oh course, the democrats are more important then stopping the civil war…
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The fact the office of the president has to be likened to Alfred to make sense is quite underhanded and indicative of a greater issue.
And yet the most pressing issue right now is Alfred vs. Joker. It’s one or the other unless something drastic changes. So pick Alfred and then work on the next problem.
The ‘next’ problems are concurrent, unfortunately.
The GOP may very well wind up with a veto proof Congress at this rate and it will all be for nought.
First priority has to be shutting out the Joker, then Alfred will even help find the next Batman
No no, it’s 1st world human nature to make things worse. Why fix the billionaire problem now, when we can elect the joker and try and fix it then? It’ll be so much easier to fix it then, right?
I hate our instant gratification culture so much.
No, but you DO replace him.
Yup. But you deal with one problem at a time. Right now we have a real Joker problem with immediate and dire consequences.
Following your analogy to its logical conclusion, we’re about to send Alfred out to take care of this Joker problem. It seems like we should find a Batman instead, or at least a Robin, before Alfred gets his ass handed to him.
Bro have you seen Alfred fight?
The problem would not be Alfred losing, it would be stopping him from plugging the Joker like an out of charge phone because he has made very clear that he does not share Batman’s distaste for firearms.
This whole discussion is itself a metaphor, the people who are the most worried are the ones who understand the least about who they’re talking about.
Yeah, Alfred was also originally a fat amateur sleuth who wanted to figure out Batman’s secret identity, and was then retconned into Bruce/Batman’s confidant. He wasn’t even a father figure to Bruce until the '80s, and the, “Alfred is a secret badass,” thing is something they’ve been picking up and dropping since the 90s. This comment is actually a great metaphor for all of the political discussions on Lemmy; a guy who thinks he’s an expert even though his base of knowledge goes back less than 10 years.
“well akshualay that doesn’t count because 80s or something”
Isn’t that the exact same thing people say about why nothing Biden does that’s even remotely progressive deserves credit?
LOL, first comment: “Well, akshualay, if you read the comics, you’d know that the Joker would get wrecked by Alfred.”
Second comment: “This nerd is correcting me!”
Life comes at you fast, huh?
One problem at a time means dealing with what’s in front of us with the tools we have at hand. Perfect is the enemy of good/better
Also Alfred is a fucking Chad
No, the problem in front of us is that the only person standing between us American fascism just went on TV and made himself look old and senile. Ignoring that problem and plowing through with compromised candidate isn’t dealing with one problem at a time, it’s ignoring a problem and hoping it goes away.
You think that the actual fascist isn’t the bigger problem…odd.
Not what I said, but cool lie dude!
You had your chance at the primaries.
In fact there was a younger man,
Oh but no one liked his ideas.
So maybe age isn’t the real issue then.
Age isn’t the issue. Bidens age related decline is the issue. If Biden we’re still sharp and responsive it would be a different story but he’s neither.
The primarys are a Joke anyway. People like Gavin Newsom know better than to run or they’d risk the ire of those running the party.
Until we abolish the two party system our country is screwed anyway. Neither of the two parties would ever do that so it’s hopeless. Standing up for Joe at this point is just digging our countries own grave.
Joe is by far the least likely candidate to beat Trump despite the intense propaganda campaign being run right now. If Joe won’t be replaced then we’d better get used to seeing Trump in the news all day every day because that’s were we’re heading.
So you admit age argument has flaws but you’re still heavily leaning on the age thing as your only main theme. Your argument doesn’t compel me you actually are coherent enough to be making pot shots at anyone else’s coherency.
What are even talking about? I made my point clear that it’s not age alone that’s the issue but when there is age related cognitive decline then it becomes an issue. Do you really not see the difference? I had no problem with Bernie Sanders age because he was a sharp and effective leader who was able to effortlessly convey his thoughts and opinions. Biden is clearly confused and lost half the time. If you’re telling me that you honestly can’t see that then maybe it’s you who isnt coherent enough to matter.
Lots of people in any age group can be incoherent. Such as yourself.
Joker for president!
This was the first time in Batman history that The Joker got to be Gotham major?
It’s so genius, that made me believe it’s already happened before.
As far as I know it’s the first, but I’m not well-versed in the comics.
Man, season 4 did him dirty. There was so much they could do to exploit this arc of his and instead treated it like an old joke.
It’s unfair to compare Trump to the Joker. The Joker is a strategic and tactical and logistical genius, he didn’t inherit his position from “Papa Clown Show” and pretend to be good at what he does.
Who cares if they die day 1 in office? It’s about which party is in charge.
It’s about which person is not going to have and abuse his Presidential power.
Biden has been doing it too but yknow, abuse is cool when its blue.
Seems you clearly understood who I was talking about. The two are not the same, even remotely.
Trump wants power regardless of whether he wins the election or not, tried to take power when he lost, and many of his own cabinet appointees and his own vice president have come out against him. He spreads lies incessantly, sides with Putin in everyway and is denigrating to our intelligence agencies and military. Not to mention being a guy that brags about sexually assaulting women, talks about his own daughter sexually and was good friends with a known pedophile. He’s even said he wouldn’t release info on Epstein and those he associated with.
“I support abuse of presidential power when its blue”
Good for you, buddy
What power is Biden abusing exactly? And I’m a registered Republican btw, but not one that’ll support a fascist who has tried to dismantle our democracy.
That’s not a quote, you seem to be providing disinformation / lying / are incompetently insane. Which is it?
He’s saying we have to support Bidens abuse of power to protect us from Trump’s, so yes he is saying it. Abuse you support personally is still abuse.
Yes both are crooks, but one has performed far far more crimes than the other.
But okay, if > 1 is your threshold than by that measure they’re complete twins.
I’d rather Kamala be president than Trump, any day. Kamala isn’t a convicted felon.
Choice seems really easy, but so many people make life more complicated than it really is. I don’t get it anymore.
Because you keep presenting a false dichotomy and ignore the actual problem being discussed here.
The question is: do you want a senile person or a career prosecutor as a president?
Ok yeah, but that doesn’t mean we need to choose Alfred to do the actual fighting against the Joker. Instead, it’s perfectly OK to say “Hey Alfred, let Batman handle the Joker, you watch and provide advice if you’re needed.”
batman’s not running for president. time to face reality.
Or even “Hey Alfred, could you stop giving the Joker those bombs he’s using to kill children?”
If you aren’t happy with the candidates: PAY ATTENTION DURING THE PRIMARIES. You can’t complain now which restaurant to eat at only when the food arrives at the table. You’re coming in way the fuck Too late now for this argument.
People were saying the same shit about Biden during the primaries, they were saying the same shit during the primaries of the last election. It doesn’t matter. the Dem leadership rig it to run whoever they want to run.
Didn’t Bernie run in the last primary?
For some reason, people are convinced that Bernie would have won if it wasn’t for the DNC putting a gun to the head of millions of Democratic voters and making them vote for Joe Biden instead.
I’m a Bernie voter. Biden was like, third to last pick for me, not exactly rooting for him. If people my age spent as much time and effort actually fucking voting like the suburban fucking soccer moms that shored up Biden’s support during the primary, we COULD have had Bernie.
2020 yes, 2024 no. Biden had small time candidates against him in the primaries (Dean Phillips, Marianne Williamson, RFK).
The consensus in the DNC was for no major candidates to challenge him as it may shake his standing. It’s tradition to not primary against an incumbent.
Ah yes, I had it in my head that they didn’t primary at all, as opposed to it being traditionally non-competitive. Thanks for the correction
“President Carter won’t debate me!!!” - Guess who
During the primaries, there was only one candidate! Joe! That was it!
Then run yourself. Stop complaining for someone else to do something. You’re just as ineffective as who you hate.
Wow guess who didnt pay attention to the primaries
Hey you’re only reach here is crying someone else to do a thing so you’d vote for them. Way to be ineffective to any of your problems.
Fair point. Since I am not part of the elite donor class, I am ineffective. Best I manage is a noncommittal form letter in response to mail and phone calls
The democratic primary was canceled in many states, they made it impossible for anyone to run a serious campaign. They wouldn’t even have the candidates for interviews on their networks, not even to maybe pressure Biden to stop leaning so far to the right.
Actually they did. You slept through it and watched the trial instead.
I wish I was this dumb. Maybe then I could believe in the fantasy of getting representation in exchange for my vote and/or taxation.
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Hilarious
ROFL
The false dichotomy fallacy here is that we don’t have to choose either. There is still time to pick Robin. Younger; more charismatic; still moral.
show me robin.
Whitmer. Shapiro. Newsom, even.
Before anyone tries to claim polls show they wouldn’t do better than Biden against Trump let me remind people that this is without them having the endorsement of the dnc or the inevitable viral media attention they’d receive from endorsements from Obama or Biden himself. They’d surge overnight.
You know who isn’t surging? Biden. He’s been steadily declining in every single data-point, and the debate didn’t help.
So you know what 70% of voters have a problem with? How old the two current candidates are.
Give them what they want. Give Americans new exciting shit to vote for. This is the country that watches the Kardashians and American Idol for christ sake.
Maybe. On the other hand, changing out your candidate after one debate doesn’t inspire much confidence. And you lose the advantage a sitting president usually has in elections.
A new candidate might indeed do better, but the DNC is risk averse as hell. I don’t see them having the balls to make a move like this.
If it was about a poor debate performance akin to Obama vs Romney debate 1 I’d be inclined to agree.
The problem is this wasn’t really about the debate. It was about revealing to the country Biden’s clear senility problems, which at 81, won’t get better but certainly get worse.
And second to that: If Biden was 10 points ahead in the polls I’d also say okay maybe we just ride this out.
But he’s not. In fact relative to 2020 he’s been 10 pts behind pre-Debate. Losing in every battleground state as well.
To me I see the car crash happening up ahead and want to jump while we still have time.
Sadly I agree with your final comment. Today at Camp David was the day Biden could back out if his closest advisors and family pulled him aside. But they’re encouraging him to keep going.
You know what inspires even less confidence? Biden.
The track record of the Biden administration is solid. Why should that change?
Because Biden isn’t solid.
He could be a bowl of jelly and it wouldn’t make a difference. He’s just the head of the Executive branch, where his job is pretty much signing/vetoing bills, hiring cabinet members, and nominating judges (with advice from said cabinet members). The alternative is a Nazi supported by the lines of the swastika-waving Nazis seen in Florida.
i love bernie but he’s not an option
Only establishment israel dems are an option right?
I remember democrats saying bernie was inelectable. Where is that “he is unelectable” energy now that biden is unelectable?
We absolutely cannot trust the DNC to not make the same mistake they made in 2016. But you are not wrong
I think you mean Nightwing.
Raven for President!
Nope. That’s Denying the Correlative. In the general election, there are two choices of statistical significance, supporting the DNC candidate, or supporting the RNC candidate. The Right is consistent in voting and wins when there is lower turnout for the DNC candidate (they are a minority). Third parties are spoilers, generally bleeding votes from the DNC candidate, making it more likely that the RNC candidate wins.
The Democratic primary ended in early June. That was the time to get Robin in. Now, it’s too late for that and the choice is between Alfred, who should be retired, and the Joker, who should be retired and wants to replace democracy with a dictatorship, put anyone who was mean to him in prison, and expand ongoing genocides where he thinks that he can profit off of the real estate that used to belong to the murdered inhabitants.
Whoa, whoa, whoa… Who said anything about third-party?
The nominee isn’t official until the convention, which means we still have time. And I ask: what would happen between then and November should Biden suffer a fatal medical emergency or his condition get so worse it’s impossible to hide? Democrats would, of course, find a way to put someone else on the ticket.
So let’s not pretend it’s impossible or that the ship has sailed, for it has not.
If we actually grow a fucking backbone and realize that Biden:
- Is performing WORSE in EVERY WAY compared to his 2020 run (where he eeked by with 40,000 votes)
- Is performing WORSE than Hillary Clinton’s loss in 2016.
- 70% of the electorate BEFORE the catastrophic debate seen by 50 million people thought Biden was too old
- 64% of independents POST-debate say they want Biden replaced on the ballot.
… And let’s acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
Whoa, whoa, whoa… Who said anything about third-party?
Oh thank fuck.
I thought Biden was too old and too right-wing in 2020.
… And let’s acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
The only problems that I see with an open convention are candidate name recognition for those who pay no attention and the fact that GOP states have already been trying fuckery with the ballots.
You know the state ballot argument is a risk I hadn’t considered. I honestly don’t know enough to say how they could impact but it’s worth further consideration.
I think there would be a media frenzy if you saw a headline like, “BREAKING NEWS: PRESIDENT BIDEN RESIGNS; ENDORSES GRETCHEN WHITMER.” After which there would be viral social media and millions googling, “who is Whitmer?” Hopefully the conclusion they have is, “well she’s a fresh face and she’s younger than the other guy.”
I agree with you there. The ballots and irrational voters are still my greatest concern. There were attempts to block Biden from the ballot in swing states because of the DNC convention being later than the state deadline. Look to any avenue open to electoral fraud being taken advantage of.
I think the third party is a valid thing to keep in mind. The Republicans are a bit more “ends justify the means”, which translates to not letting themselves get distracted by “perfect is the enemy of the good”. So they might even prefer a third party, but they are less likely to because they tend to be a bit more coldly strategic in their voting.
With respect to they can ignore the results of the primary vote… but that’s exactly the sort of thing that people accussed them of when they put Hilary Clinton up as their candidate. So the right can tear into them for ‘coronating’ their candidate instead of doing an election.
While they can put up someone else, it would be a pretty desperate act, and it’s hard to know which bad option is the worst of the options.
Fair points but I don’t personally put much weight in the perception of what Republicans might say about a coronation for a couple reasons:
- All of us on the Democratic side just want Trump to lose.
- Anyone who voted for Joe Biden will vote for anyone under the Democratic ticket.
- Especially when Joe Biden, himself, endorses that candidate. It’s little different than letting Joe pick his own Vice President. It’s kind of like a transitive extension of one’s vote.
and it’s hard to know which bad option is the worst of the options.
And this is the thing that I’m 100% convinced of by this point, personally. I see not just little hope, but no hope for Biden winning at this stage. As I tried my best to convey, Biden is performing significantly worse compared to 2020 and even Hillary’s failed run. There’s kind of a diminishing-returns argument to be made at this point that the vast electorate knows both Trump and Biden through & through. There’s nothing new they’re going to realize that they don’t already know. So to move poll numbers now is next to impossible; and with that, the polls are going in the wrong direction for Biden, and the full effect of the debate hasn’t even set in.
So what does one do? Well between riding out the inevitable crash, I think we take the chance with another way. But we won’t do that by the looks of it. And I will bet large sums of money that Biden loses, unfortunately.
…who you also went vote for because "both sides*.
And who is Robin in this example?
John Stewart
The same Jon Stewart who has repeatedly expressed a strong desire never to go into politics?
Yep sounds like Robin
Cool, so we’re just going to make believe.
There is still time to pick Robin
LOL. Uh huh. Sure bud.
So, this happened in the comics and show, alfred got older and passed away, bruce wayne retired as batman, he managed the batcave, and a younger protege took up the batman mantle.
I dont know what this malarkey is about thinking someone cant be too old for a job.
It’s not about whether or not someone can be too old for a job. It’s about thinking that someone is too old for a job therefore justifies putting absolutely anyone, let alone a literal criminal in his place.
But no one here’s promoting Trump. I know youre seeing it as intrinsically Biden vs Trump, so detracting from Biden is the same as bolstering Trump. The goal is to beat Trump. The means to do that is everyone rallies behind one candidate. The problem is right now, Bidens not beating Trump, his age and health combined with the tragedy in Gaza is preventing too many people from rallying behind him. He has the most people rallying behind him of all current opponents to Trump, but not enough.
The timeline where we beat Trump is Biden withdraws from the race and endorses another candidate. Remove Biden as an option and everyone rallying behind him purely because he has the largest support against Trump is forced to shift to another candidate, and we can push for the people that werent rallying behind Biden due to age and Gaza to also rally behind the new candidate, and hopefully then have enough people rallying behind one candidate to beat Trump.
The meme is about Biden vs Trump. It’s not about people who just think Biden is too old and want to replace him. You’re arguing for a position that isn’t being attacked by the post.
It’s not about people who just think Biden is too old and want to replace him.
you dont replace him
Yes it specifically is
You don’t replace him with the Joker. You know, additional words have meaning. Now if your argument is that the Democrats need to find their own Joker, I guess then you’re being targeted by this meme.
The meme is about Biden vs Trump.
You dont even care what youre arguing about anymore
That’s what the primary was for.
we didnt really have one. several states, like mine, straight up did not have a single candidate other than Biden on the primary ballots, none of the candidates besides Biden were on a majority of states ballots
And I agree that that’s fucked - I didn’t want him either. But, that’s still where we are. It’s like when Gov. Newsom announced the deadline for public comments on PG&E, the day of. Not ok but the government and political systems are moving forward and it’s hop on the train or leave democracy behind.
It’s not fair. Neither is the world. It’s our job to try to make it more fair and just. That means acting strategically and supporting these that will cause less harm to vulnerable populations and provide opportunities for positive changes, rather than use government power to actively and intentionally make lives worse. Not the time for tantrums and letting perfect be the enemy of good (or at the least, not sinking into theofascism).
They be like: your options are a shit sandwich or getting shot in the head.
When all along your options are every other food too, they just removed them from the menu.
You still should pick the shit sandwich over the shot to the head, but you should as hell be mad at both the one who would pull the trigger and the ones who left you with a shit sandwich as the viable alternative.
Eat the sandwich, remove the trigger man then go after the restaurant owners.
Eating the shit sandwich will result in always getting a shit sandwich
2016: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
2020: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
2024: “Vote for the shit sandwich”
Can’t understand why the Democratic Party isn’t more popular.
The democratic choice in both 2016 and 2020 were actually good. Biden has been the most progressive president ever, as sad as that is.
Biden has been the most progressive president ever
Not even inside the top five, as sad as that is.
Seems like such an odd comparison. Alfred Pennyworth is a certified badass, he would absolutely keep Wayne Manor and the Batcave both managed and defended until the day he dies if he wishes to.
Alfred is not a certified badass in every version of Batman. In fact, that’s generally a rather recent thing.
Yeah, this analogy just stinks, as a comic book fan…
Yea, clearly trump is more like lex Luther…
Sorta, Lex was a successful business owner.
The failed lex Luther
