• PenguinJuice
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      I’m a simple man, I see actual accomplishments of mankind being mentioned and I upvote.

      Line go up is for smooth brained animals.

      Rocket go up is for true gentlemen.

      • exu
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        Cool pictures also make monkey brain happy.

    • @ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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      It is amazing what humans can do when we all work together for something that’s good. I think it’s really when people start trying to take advantage of each other when it all goes downhill…

  • @Skaryon@lemmy.world
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    I love how in every topic about WFH there’s some dudebro going on about the economy suffering due to supposed lessened productivity and I’m like… Why should I care?

    • @kibiz0r@midwest.social
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      I love the abstract “productivity”.

      Like yo, cancer is incredibly productive.

      Demolishing subsistence farms and replacing them with cash crop slave plantations is mad profitable.

      I could make thousands of dollars in a day if I just sold everything I own.

      Our metrics of economic growth revolve around basically doing all of the above, to varying degrees of figurative vs. literal-ness.

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        This reminded me of an old joke:

        Two economists are walking down the street with their friend when they come across a fresh, streaming pile of dog shit. The first economist jokingly tells the other “I’ll give you a million dollars if you eat that pile of dog shit”. To his surprise, the second economist grabs it off the ground and eats it without hesitation. A deal is a deal so the first economist hands over a million dollars.

        A few minutes later they come across a second pile of shit. The second economist, wanting to give his peer a taste of his own medicine, says he’ll give the first economist a million dollars if he eats it. The first economist agrees and does so, winning him a million dollars.

        Their friend, rather confused, asks what the point of all this was, the first economist gave the second economist a million dollars, and then the second economist gave it right back. All they’ve accomplished is to eat two piles of shit.

        The two economists look rather taken aback. “Well sure,” they say, “but we’ve grown the economy by two million dollars!”

        • @affidavit@feddit.nu
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          The story is interesting but not very lifelike. The first economist would be much richer than the first, if they were OK with spending that much money on humiliating someone else. The likelihood that the second economist would accept the same deal is impossible in my mind. That amount of money is just humiliation money to them, not really worth it.

      • @pingveno@lemmy.ml
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        That’s not how productivity works. It’s basically looking at how much a person can produce with a given amount of labor.

        Take that small scale subsistence farmer. Individually, they will live a precarious life. Their country will not have the surplus food needed for other pursuits like building cities, engaging in R&D, developing science, and so on. A smaller and smaller number of people need to be able to feed more and more using less land per person.

        Manually copied manuscripts are another example. They were painstakingly copied over by hand in an incredibly low productivity manner. The introduction of the printing press essentially eliminated an art form, but gave rise to practical mass media.

        In the present day, computers have been the main form of productivity booster. While arguably social media is a drag on productivity, overall computers open up a broad range of possibilities.

        Like yo, cancer is incredibly productive.

        Cancer is incredibly costly to society. Think about it, a single person getting cancer could mean many hours of them being in the hospital. Net zero on productivity

        Demolishing subsistence farms and replacing them with cash crop slave plantations is mad profitable.

        As I detailed above, transitioning from unproductive farms to highly productive farms is necessary. Don’t believe me, ask Mao.

        I could make thousands of dollars in a day if I just sold everything I own.

        That would not be a productive activity since there would be no value added. Arguably there would be less value, since that stuff is likely worth more to you than it is to another person.

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          The problem in the US is that increasing productivity among individuals is not scaling evenly with increasing benefits for individuals. So despite the success of large scale agriculture or the efficiency offered by computers, it feels like “productivity for productivity’s sake” at best or “productivity for the wealthiest individuals’ sake” at worst. It is not productive for me to work harder at my job because it does not translate to any tangible benefit for me, my family, or my community. To me, this is what makes “productivity” feel like an abstract concept.

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          Like yo, cancer is incredibly productive.

          Cancer is incredibly costly to society. Think about it, a single person getting cancer could mean many hours of them being in the hospital. Net zero on productivity

          Bro, how could you misunderstand so badly. Cancer is literally uncontrolled cell production in the body. Cancer is highly productive (in the body) but obviously not a good thing to have in your body.

    • @DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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      People have been told their entire lives that the GDP of their nation matters without ever considering what it actually represents, or how it actually went up.

      Great, number go up, but why and who actually benefitted.

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        Excuse the week-old reply but

        People have been told their entire lives that the GDP of their nation matters without ever considering what it actually represents, or how it actually went up.

        You got a poor, poor education if you were never taught why the GDP matters, or what it represents.

    • Kalkaline
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      You should care because that profit should be going to the workers who create the value. It doesn’t go to the workers, so you should continue not caring about productivity. Damn the man.

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        Workers aren’t the only factor the creates value. Capital and land also add value. Why would people use them otherwise?

        That being said, the workers are jointly responsible for their actions in production while capital is merely an instrument of their will and cannot be responsible for anything. Workers are denied the positive and negative results of their actions, so we should not care

    • Oh no! We got so wrapped up thinking about general human well-being, we forgot about productivity!

      But for real, if the economy isn’t for people then wtf is it for?

    • @zik@lemmy.world
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      It’s also bullshit. Worker productivity is overall slightly up with WFH. The economy suffered from the pandemic and everything that entails.

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    There’s no Americans bragging about that. Corporations and the government, sure. The rest of us are to busy living in pain

    • Kaktus
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      Some years ago I were in US on vacation and a Cadillac commercial said you shouldn’t buy cars made by lazy people wo have 4 weeks vacation every year, instead you should buy an American car.

    • Most Americans have no clue what the rest of the world is like.

      Most Americans don’t even understand the progressive income tax system we have, they will go so far as to decline raises because it’ll put them in a higher bracket and they think that will mean less take home pay. It doesn’t! You should always take a raise!

      I believe I’ll someday move to a country that has good policies for everything from healthcare, to work life balance, and social safety nets, and I’ll never have to deal with the American nightmare again.

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        There’s actually a tricky spot for folks who get certain social services which are tied to income. A small raise can bump you out of eligibility for things like medicaid and food stamps, and thus can in fact result in higher expenses, less money in your pocket, and a lower quality of life.

        • Yep! The welfare cliff I believe it’s called. Evidence of a poorly designed welfare system, which I think some see as a feature not a bug sadly.

      • @Osito@lemmy.world
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        To be fair, the rest of the world isn’t easily accessible for most Americans

        Education is broken because on purpose

        • @Tar_alcaran@lemmy.world
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          It’s literally one Google search away. And if they want to travel, you’ll be able to speak English to basically everyone (under 40)

        • @HerrLewakaas@feddit.de
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          Actually the media in Germany is starting to push that narrative, maybe to get us to focus more on work and less on enjoying our lifes

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            lmao, Germany of all places. This country is designed for people to live paycheck to paycheck, earlier it was at least somewhat justified by social security, but greedy government fucks don’t know where to get money anymore.

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        there is lot them in youtube commnets , some here , most on twitter they wont stop bragging about how rich their elites are .

  • @JusticeForPorygon
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    God please let me move to Europe I don’t even care what language I have to learn I just wanna be able to live without worrying about affording a doctor appointment.

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      If you work in academia, you don’t need to learn a new language. English is the working language. Also the 5 weeks of holiday is nice, but what really helps is the working day.

      I started as a bioinformatician a month ago. I come in to the office at 0830 have coffee from 09:00 til 09:45 with my boss and colleagues, work a bit, have lunch from 12:00 untill 13:15, work a bit, go home at 15:30. That’s my day.

      • @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Work in IT.
        Start at 9:00
        Lunch 13:00-14:00
        Go home at 18:00
        Commute (if construction does not tear up the main crossing) is around 30min 1-way with bus or a 15-20min bicycle ride.

        Experience: About 5 years without college/uni.

        • @nomadjoanne@lemmy.world
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          I think IT might not be as easy as you think. Academia is a bit more open.

          IT isn’t quite high skilled enough to get in. They’d almost certainly need an employer to say they couldn’t find a European to do the job, which is exceedingly unlikely.

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              I think he’s saying it’s harder to get a work visa taking a job in IT, as the EU company would have to first prove that they couldn’t find a European citizen to take the job before they can start hiring foreigners.

              It hasn’t been my experience though, we hire lots of foreigners on work visas. Many from India and former Soviet countries especially.

              • @nomadjoanne@lemmy.world
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                Yeah, that’s what I was saying.

                In Spain we do have non-EU people, but oftentimes they come here, live in Spain “irregularly” at some point, and then manage to get residency through means other than an employer sponsoring them. That might not be the case everywhere though.

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                I’m not in a big corp so I can just assume:
                Do some countries require to proof local citizens are not worthy enough so you need to import work force from abroad?

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          Work in IT. Start at 9:00 Lunch 13:00-14:00 Go home at 18:00

          IT Job I left:

          • start at 8
          • coffee 10-1030-ish (sometimes like 11)
          • lunch at 12-13
          • second coffee 15-1530
          • leave at 1647, home by 1720 by train – tools down, muthafuckas
          • voluntary standby for 1/4 time and immediate double-time for callouts, sanctity of personal time otherwise.
          • union, 9x9 work term, no abrupt firings.
          • EXACTLY on the median base salary for my job+region, which includes dot-coms.
          • in north america, no less.

          Experience: About 5 years without college/uni.

          Experience: my soul.

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            Both of y’all are melting American brains trying to do the math on figuring out what times you’re talking about.

            Most Americans have no clue that 13:00 is 1:00pm because 12+1 is too difficult, and God help you if you say 22:00, because 22-12 might as well be euclidean geometry.

      • @BigBen103@lemm.ee
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        Maybe you don’t need the language for work. But you will need te learn the language eventually for other day to day interactions.

          • @Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee
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            Don’t know about other countries, but in Norway you always have the option of getting websites and government information in English. Everyone speaks it including cashier’s, cleaners etc.

            The same thing is not true in Germany and Spain.

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              Dutchie here, we do the same. Everybody speaks (some form of) English, almost everything is also available in English.

              • @Jazard23@lemmy.world
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                This is true but also keep in mind that Dutch is still leading in most cases. E.g. if you have a contract that’s both in English and Dutch, if issues arise the Dutch translation will usually be the one that is followed

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                  Dutch is still leading in most cases.

                  Sint Maarten should check-in and tell us about the English-Dutch separation and the class system it all but foments. It’s 90% fascinating if 10% disappointing.

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              My experience is purely based on Germany and I hate it even as a native. Plus having ADHD and paper being a chore doesnt help at all

              Also most folks (in my experience of south west Germany) of age >40-50 have little experience with English and can’t converse beyond the most basics.

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              For some reason France really doesn’t like giving english (or any other than french) options on their gov sites. Every other country in the eu are fine.

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                In France, I feel French is heavily a part of their identity; and contrary to Americans fairweather-jeering their best revolutionary ally, the French do not surrender lightly. It feels like that’s the one thing even the poorest French person has, and taking away one iota of that will be met with a resistance we’ve learned to respect.

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              but in Norway [:] English. Everyone speaks it

              Scandinavia is absolutely killing it for bilingualism, among so many other ways they’re killin’ it – no, really, other countries should just study them for clues in general. My experiences (just Sweden, Denmark and bonus Iceland, so far) is that they say Hej and listen for your “hello”, flipping over into beautiful and perfect English without hesitation. Their language programmes are just fucking astounding, really.

              Spain’s fine in the touristy spots, but Spanish itself is VERY accessible as a language, so it’s kinda moot like France.

              In Germany I will have to rely heavily on the kindness of strangers as I will never grok the language.

              • They’re exposed to English every day from multiple sources. You aren’t allowed into university unless you can read and write English to a high level. Your text books are in English at university and classes open to exchange students are taught in English. All English media is subtitled. And school lessons in English start when they’re 6. No mystery, just practice.

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              I would most certainly disagree that every person speaks English. Especially older people don’t, but in general many people here do not speak a good english

              • No, pretty much anyone in Norway can speak English, some don’t feel confident in their ability though. But if you ask any rando on the street if they speak English you get the answer of course ".