Really we’ve reached the Strawman segment of this argument?
Fine then, I shall reiterate my position in its entirety, with extra clarifying details, and then I’m done.
I dislike misinformation. Particularly misinformation designed to evoke anger, and I dislike the people who spread it because being angry is more important to them than being right. That’s a pet peeve of mine I don’t expect everyone to feel as strongly as I do, but when I see it in action I like to call it out in the hopes that maybe at least one person will improve their internet literacy.
And so on this post, I saw a number of people operating on the assumption that the article already existed, and was being deleted in response to the recent controversy to try to cover it up, that ticked my pet peeve and I chose to comment on it.
Now, since I have been forced to learn how to read Wikipedia discussion forums, I have been able to find the original comment requesting it for deletion which states “WP:1E. This man is famous as of yesterday for one event. Not notable.” Now you’re lucky enough to have the privilege of seeing this discussion on September 30th, after all the controversy has been marinating for a week. But that was not the case when the page was created and marked for deletion, which was one of the pieces of evidence brought up in the deletion discussion. The user who marked the page for deletion did also in a separate comment express support for migrating the page to be about the event instead of for the person, in accordance with Wikipedia’s notability policy. So my money is on not a Nazi apologist (Why am I even entertaining this idea?)
Yes, there are a couple bad eggs in there, as our OP has so lovingly pointed out. And the ones referenced by OP specifically are anonymous users, whose comments have since been removed. So please I dare you to convince yourself that they are representative of Wikipedia’s values.
You never responded to this point because you decided to play the Nazi card instead, so I’ll say it again anyway for comprehensiveness. Bias is an inescapable factor of any policy enforcement, and Wikipedia seems to have established an effective process for reducing that. Maybe when I said “bias” you read “Nazi ideology” but let me clarify I really meant “someone slightly less passionate about this subject than you” or “someone didn’t drink coffee this morning and so they’re feeling a little grumpy”
TL;DR: This was a routine case of content moderation surrounding a controversial subject that Wikipedia handled with 5 Stars. Some users representative of Wikipedia supported the deletion of the newly created page because of their individual interpretations of Wikipedia’s notability policy, and if you have a have a problem with that individual interpretation then go ahead. If you have a problem with those users being “Nazis” then please step away from the computer, go find a spot outside in the sun, and read a book. There are some users unrepresentative of Wikipedia as a whole who are/might be Nazi sympathizers, and go ahead be mad at them please, but just know that Wikipedia has already dealt with them days before you even saw that they existed. I don’t think it’s okay for people to be Nazi sympathizers or for them to have a platform to speak from. I also don’t think that the people you’re criticizing are Nazi sympathizers.
Ok, that’s a fair point, but it still doesn’t detract from the fact that Wikipedia’s mechanisms against this exact method of abuse aren’t exactly very robust. There needs to be more accountability behind anonymous accounts playing a role in these discussions.
Really we’ve reached the Strawman segment of this argument?
Fine then, I shall reiterate my position in its entirety, with extra clarifying details, and then I’m done.
I dislike misinformation. Particularly misinformation designed to evoke anger, and I dislike the people who spread it because being angry is more important to them than being right. That’s a pet peeve of mine I don’t expect everyone to feel as strongly as I do, but when I see it in action I like to call it out in the hopes that maybe at least one person will improve their internet literacy.
And so on this post, I saw a number of people operating on the assumption that the article already existed, and was being deleted in response to the recent controversy to try to cover it up, that ticked my pet peeve and I chose to comment on it.
Now, since I have been forced to learn how to read Wikipedia discussion forums, I have been able to find the original comment requesting it for deletion which states “WP:1E. This man is famous as of yesterday for one event. Not notable.” Now you’re lucky enough to have the privilege of seeing this discussion on September 30th, after all the controversy has been marinating for a week. But that was not the case when the page was created and marked for deletion, which was one of the pieces of evidence brought up in the deletion discussion. The user who marked the page for deletion did also in a separate comment express support for migrating the page to be about the event instead of for the person, in accordance with Wikipedia’s notability policy. So my money is on not a Nazi apologist (Why am I even entertaining this idea?)
Yes, there are a couple bad eggs in there, as our OP has so lovingly pointed out. And the ones referenced by OP specifically are anonymous users, whose comments have since been removed. So please I dare you to convince yourself that they are representative of Wikipedia’s values.
You never responded to this point because you decided to play the Nazi card instead, so I’ll say it again anyway for comprehensiveness. Bias is an inescapable factor of any policy enforcement, and Wikipedia seems to have established an effective process for reducing that. Maybe when I said “bias” you read “Nazi ideology” but let me clarify I really meant “someone slightly less passionate about this subject than you” or “someone didn’t drink coffee this morning and so they’re feeling a little grumpy”
TL;DR: This was a routine case of content moderation surrounding a controversial subject that Wikipedia handled with 5 Stars. Some users representative of Wikipedia supported the deletion of the newly created page because of their individual interpretations of Wikipedia’s notability policy, and if you have a have a problem with that individual interpretation then go ahead. If you have a problem with those users being “Nazis” then please step away from the computer, go find a spot outside in the sun, and read a book. There are some users unrepresentative of Wikipedia as a whole who are/might be Nazi sympathizers, and go ahead be mad at them please, but just know that Wikipedia has already dealt with them days before you even saw that they existed. I don’t think it’s okay for people to be Nazi sympathizers or for them to have a platform to speak from. I also don’t think that the people you’re criticizing are Nazi sympathizers.
Ok, that’s a fair point, but it still doesn’t detract from the fact that Wikipedia’s mechanisms against this exact method of abuse aren’t exactly very robust. There needs to be more accountability behind anonymous accounts playing a role in these discussions.