• @scarabic@lemmy.world
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      631 month ago

      We hear about Israel’s right to protect itself so often we almost forget that everyone has it.

    • @4lan@lemmy.world
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      151 month ago

      Can we just let the leaders duke it out? 1 on 1 knife fights. Leave the people out of this shit

      • @PugJesus@lemmy.world
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        121 month ago

        If only.

        [T]he ministers and generals of the two countries, dressed in bathing-drawers and armed with clubs, can have it out among themselves. Whoever survives, his country wins. That would be much simpler and more just than this arrangement, where the wrong people do the fighting.

        • All Quiet on the Western Front, written by a WW1 veteran
          • @PugJesus@lemmy.world
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            429 days ago

            Nah, just good at vaguely remembering quotes and then googling things like “All Quiet On The Western Front generals quarrel quote”

      • @Nasan@sopuli.xyz
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        61 month ago

        Except for the last guy who will still have one eye. How’s the blind guy gonna take the eye of the guy with one eye left? All that guy had to do is run away and hide behind a bush. Gandhi was wrong.

          • @TheFriar@lemm.ee
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            71 month ago

            Can’t have wars when we’re all dying of nuclear fallout and/or nuclear explosion

          • @Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee
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            61 month ago

            “The war to end war” (also “The war to end all wars”;[1] originally from the 1914 book The War That Will End War by H. G. Wells) is a term for the First World War of 1914–1918. Originally an idealistic slogan, it is now mainly used sardonically,[2] since not only was the First World War not history’s final war, but its aftermath also indirectly contributed to the outbreak of the even more devastating Second World War.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_war_to_end_war

          • @jaemo@sh.itjust.works
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            41 month ago

            There will come soft rains and the smell of the ground, And swallows circling with their shimmering sound; And frogs in the pools singing at night, And wild plum trees in tremulous white; Robins will wear their feathery fire, Whistling their whims on a low fence-wire; And not one will know of the war, not one will care at last when it is done. Not one would mind, neither bird nor tree, If mankind perished utterly; And Spring herself, when she woke at dawn Would scarcely know that we were gone.

    • @radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com
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      -721 month ago

      I don’t think Iran had to attack Israel in first place. Hezbollah sought this when they started attacking Israel after Oct 7th.

      • @koper@feddit.nl
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        551 month ago

        Ignoring all the assassinations and strikes by Israel, including the unprovoked bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus?

          • @Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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            171 month ago

            Hamas and Hezbollah only exists because of the Ethnic Cleansing and Occupation of the native population of Palestine and Lebanon respectively.

            • @rappo@lemmy.world
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              11 month ago

              I don’t disagree, but what entities funds and guide/influence them? They aren’t organizations acting on their own, they are puppets.

              This does not in any way downplay the travesties that Palestinian people have been through, only to highlight how Iran has used their influence to control one side of the conflict.

              • @Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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                61 month ago

                They certainly have shared interests, but to consider them ‘puppets’ ignores their own agencies. Armed resistance against Settler Colonialism will exist regardless of whether they can secure funding from Iran or not. Iran has influence as the main supplier of weapons (most of Hamas’ capabilities come from reusing bombs dropped by Israel that failed to detonate), but they do not control the agency of Hamas or Hezbollah. They have their own reasons to fight back.

      • Avid Amoeba
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        On the surface - perhaps. But Iran’s regime has to keep its image of power for its domestic peace. Israel’s gov knows this and they do steps they know would elicit response from Iran in the hopes Iran would actually hit hard and the US would be dragged in official capacity. That would be dramatically destabilizing for the region. I reckon the US threatened Israel with real steps in order to get them to not hit targets that would have led to such escalation.

          • acargitz
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            By dismantling the apartheid, ending the occupation, getting the fuck on their side of their 1967 border, and recognizing the sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. Plus, by handing over their war criminals to the ICC and starting a Truth and Reconciliation process. Throw in paying reparations, if they really want peace.

            There. Instantly, 90% of Hamas and Hezbollah support has just evaporated. Their neighbours are ready to normalize relations with them. The vast majority of world public opinion is now solidly behind them.

            • @the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world
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              -71 month ago

              I’d be quite fine with most of this, all of it if by “the occupation” you mean the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. But, until peace is established there, that isn’t going to happen. The majority of Gazans support Hamas and believe they committed no atrocities on October 7th.

              • acargitz
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                if by “the occupation” you mean the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank

                Yes, exactly. Including the control of their borders of course.

                until peace is established there, that isn’t going to happen

                That’s entirely the wrong framing. Without these things happening, whatever it is that you think will be established, it won’t be “peace”, is is only a return to the oppressive status quo ante. It’s a cliché but in this conflict, quite literally “no justice, no peace”. My laundry list above is not a desirable outcome after some imaginary unjust “peace”. It is the precondition for peace. Without dismantling the apartheid, the occupation, etc, you’ll only have a temporary lull in the brutality and they go again.

          • NoneOfUrBusiness
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            271 month ago

            Stop making an enemy of all their neighbors with their apartheid/genocide project, would be a good start.

            • @the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world
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              -221 month ago

              With the number of rockets Hamas and Hezbollah has launched into Israel during “peacetime” while being supplied by Iran, they’re doing a great job of staying enemies.

              • @DeLacue@lemmy.world
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                201 month ago

                Did you know that the Gazan bomb disposal teams are some of the most skilled in the world? The reason for this is so they can disarm and disassemble unexploded Israeli bombs so that the explosives can be repurposed and fired back. So a surprisingly large portion of the explosives that Hamas used were supplied by Israel via their long-term sporadic bombing of Gaza and anything resembling major infrastructure.

                  • @AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world
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                    221 month ago

                    Well maybe Israel should stop its brutal, decades-long apartheid campaign that’s pissing off all of its neighbors and pre-dates Hamas by around 50 years.

                  • NoneOfUrBusiness
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                    121 month ago

                    But Iran is still aiding and abetting Hamas’s military campaign against Israel.

                    You say aiding and abetting like supporting anti-colonial resistance is a bad thing.

              • NoneOfUrBusiness
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                181 month ago

                Good job putting peacetime in quotes, because during that “peacetime” Israel was airstriking Gaza and blockading it. These are straight up acts of war and justify and demand retaliation. Also Hezbollah didn’t launch rockets on Israel before October 7th.

                • SaltySalamander
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                  Lol, not being an Israel apologist here, but Hezbollah has been launching rockets at Israel since they were formed.

                  • Sami
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                    91 month ago

                    Into Lebanese (some consider it Syrian, doesn’t change the dynamic) occupied territory before and after Oct 7th. Gradual escalation (with 80% of those attacks coming from Israeli side) expanded the scale of the northern/southern front to what we see today. Israel has killed 2 orders of magnitude more civilians than Hezballah has and has sought escalation at every stage.

                    Before Oct 7th, they would exchange fire in occupied Lebanese land and tensions would rise then fizzle out about once a month.

                  • NoneOfUrBusiness
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                    31 month ago

                    They have a long blood soaked history that had mostly ended with the second Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 2006 before restarting last year.