Pope Francis last week approved a ruling at the Vatican that permitted priests to administer blessings to same-sex couples.

    • @spider@lemmy.nz
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      Catholics are still on the conservative end of the religious spectrum, though, so evangelical leaders make Pope Francis appear even more progressive than he is. They’re like the perfect foils for him.

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          The current pope is a Jesuit, and Jesuits are typically among the more progressive Catholics. But Catholics in general are among the more conservative Christians, which is the point the comment you replied to was making.

          It’s like American Democrats are on the global right wing of politics. Bernie and AOC being more left wing doesn’t change the fact that Democrats as a whole are neoliberals.

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            46 months ago

            But Catholics in general are among the more conservative Christians,

            In modern US? No. “Non-denominational”/Evangelical Christians tend to be far more conservative on average.

  • @june@lemmy.world
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    236 months ago

    Evangelicals really shouldn’t be commenting on the pope. They believe that Catholics aren’t Christian (or aren’t true Christians because of the whole icons and praying to the saints things). This guy needs to stay in his lane.

    • @chicken@lemmy.world
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      its funny considering catholics were literally the original church, and we ask saints to pray for us like how you would ask your loved ones to pray for you. i dont know why everyone else gets that saints part wrong about us like were worshipping saints

      • @june@lemmy.world
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        56 months ago

        Evangelicals don’t care that they’re wrong. And they believe that the Catholic Church has wandered too far from the ‘original church’ to a point where it’s no longer actually worshiping god, but has been twisted by the devil. So they ‘return’ to how their idea of what ‘the original church’ is instead. They recognize, however that their worship is actually nothing like the original church and despite not having proper biblical support, believe they are actually worshiping the right way. It’s one of the many contradictions they actively hold highly.

        This was my experience with evangelicals, which I’m rather sure is rather more expansive than most as I’ve lived all over the country attending several evangelical churches in each place, grew up VERY active with Billy graham ministries and focus on the family, spent my first 4 years of school in the evangelical home school system known as A.C.E., ‘interned’ for teen mania ministries which brought together evangelicals from around the world, all of whom conformed quite directly to this experience, and attended a Christian university where a pre-req was to do an academic deep dive into Christianity which is, unsurprisingly, the catalyst for what got me out… I of course spent more time learning about the evolution of evangelicalism than I did the rest of the denominations as I was continually having my world rocked by how little sense any of the general beliefs actually make and was desperately grasping for anything to settle my worldview back down.

        Evangelicals are stupid, they know it, and they revel in their ignorance (faith of a child bullshit taken so far out of any semblance of context).

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        preying to merry though, pretty common. funny though i was raised catholic but my mothers side are Irish protestant and i remember talking about the differences with my aunt, she said, you go to merry, we go to the man himself.

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        Catholics weren’t the original church. That claim of theirs basically hinges on the claim that Peter started the Papal succession which is bullshit also, when Peter came to Rome James was already Bishop in Jerusalem. Coptics are also definitely contenders, tracing themselves back to Mark. That was all before the New Testament was written, the newest parts date to as late as 100CE.

        …and that’s organisationally. When it comes to rites and theology the Orthodox Churches and Coptics have a much better claim at being original, Rome forming its doctrine to serve the unity of state and governance of the people as they were essentially the ministry of religion. And thus arguably the last remnant of the administration of the Roman Empire, I’ll give them that.

        As to idolatry: Protestants deny that there’s a distinction between dulia and latria, consider it a rhetorical justification ex post, “We’re doing that stuff but as we can’t be idolaters we must now make up new terms to explain how it’s not actually idolatry”. That’s, mind you, Calvin and Luther, not the current bunch of nutjob US evangelicals I doubt those have ever considered anything about theology.

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      But… evangelicals’ whole thing is making shit up about things they know nothing about. I say, let 'em shake their fist at this guy. 😜

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        Damnit, you’re right. They’re the nosy neighbor that’s constantly looking through their blinds and gossiping about everyone to everyone else. This is actually exactly in their wheelhouse.

  • @captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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    Dear Protestants, you get less of a say in Catholicism than I do as an ex Catholic heretic as you tend to know basically nothing about Catholicism. Both of us, alongside lay Catholics, priests, monks, nuns, and even bishops get less of a say in Catholicism than the fucking pope, because he’s the goddamn pope. If you really want to overrule him have an ecumenical counsel that’s respected by the Catholic Church, it’s the only thing aside from a booming voice in the sky that gets to overrule the pope.

  • @Furbag@lemmy.world
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    The Pope, according to Catholics, is God’s chosen mouthpiece here on Earth. The only divisions he could possibly be creating are divisions between who are faithful servants of God and who are sinners. This isn’t my opinion, it’s in the book they all claim to have read.

  • BeautifulMind ♾️
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    Yeah it’s always fun how when these folks disagree with someone else, the pope even, it’s the other guy’s fault for the disagreement happening. As if the moral universe revolved around them and it really was as simple as if everyone agreed with me there’d be “no division”.

    Also, there’s this

  • teft
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    I wonder if this guy has ever heard of the reformation.

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    Pope: Who are you to tell me, you heretical non-Catholic!

    But seriously, I think the Evangelical leader is just trying to win brownie points from his own flock. “See I am right unlike the heathen Catholics!”

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    Creating “division” with inclusion… yes how dare he?

  • Magical Thinker
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    There’s no infighting like church infighting. One of them has to be right, right??

  • Melllvar
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    16 months ago

    When was the last time a Protestant leader had something good to say about the Pope?

  • @AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Last week, Pope Francis approved a ruling at the Vatican that permitted priests to administer blessings to same-sex couples.

    I don’t think so.

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        This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.

        https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en

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        Arguably, the Pope has said it was always like this and hasn’t changed anything.

        Which is… A tall argument to make given how many priests are pissed off about the Pope’s announcement.

        Note: I am Catholic. Ama I guess, lol. But technically speaking, this is just how the Church always has been and therefore no change happened.

        • @Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world
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          You’re contradicting yourself in your own comment my guy. It’s always been this way, but that’s a tall argument to make, but no change happened? What are you even arguing?

          • prole
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            Would it be Christianity without the contradictions?

        • roguetrick
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          That’s kind of the rule in Catholicism. They don’t really believe in changing a perfect church. They just reinterpret what obviously already was sacred tradition.

        • @GBU_28@lemm.ee
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          06 months ago

          What? As a Catholic you would know the pope is a representative of Jesus Christ. It isn’t up for discussion if he decrees something

          • @dragontamer@lemmy.world
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            What? As a Catholic you would know the pope is a representative of Jesus Christ.

            Ummm… you mean Peter, right? The Pope as an institution is derived of Jesus’s promise to Peter, and not from Jesus himself per se. Jesus is God. If God wants to do something, He needs no representative. It just happens.

            It isn’t up for discussion if he decrees something

            Did the Pope speak ex cathedra here?

            Note: there are only a few times in the past millennia that a Pope has ever invoked ex cathedra.

            What kind of bad Hollywood movie or anime did you learn Catholic values from?

            EDIT: I’m just noticing now that your post is 10 days old. It looks like lemm.ee had some sync issues with lemmy.world. The server finally notified me of your response. Apologies if this is digging up an old, week old subject. But I promise it was at the top of my inbox yesterday when I responded.

    • @GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip
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      Yes, he actually did.

      To keep in line with the scripture that defines the sacrament of marriage as between a man and a woman, he created a second type of marriage for everyone else so their unions may be officially blessed by the church, and basically said that it is not up to the church to judge people for their way of life but up to god. Francis has actually been a very progressive pope, making great strides to make the church a more welcoming place.

      Disclaimer: I’m an atheist myself, not a catholic. Still I can commend positive change, and the fact that so many more bigoted church people are bitching about what he did should emphasize the seriousness of his changes.

      • @mkwt@lemmy.world
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        So people ask priests to bless stuff rather often. Stuff like babies, boats, cars, fields, tractors, running shoes, and whatever else. This is the kind of religious tradition that goes back a long way before Christianity, but nevertheless, the Roman Catholic church has policies, procedures, and liturgical texts for how to do it.

        These types of blessings are not usually a major part of spiritual life for most people.

        Previously, it was explicitly forbidden for a priest to offer this kind of blessing to a sane-sex couple. That is now permitted, but the priest must take steps to ensure that no one is confused that this might be a marriage, which it is definitely not (in the eyes of the church).

      • @AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        he created a second type of marriage for everyone else so their unions may be officially blessed by the church

        The church doesn’t have the power to create different types of marriages and neither does the pope. I do not believe the nature of the change made is being described or reported accurately. It is being oversimplified.

        Francis has actually been a very progressive pope, making great strides to make the church a more welcoming place.

        I agree. I think a lot of changes he has made are good. I think this change is good. I think reporting on it has been dumbed down to the point of being incorrect.

    • @FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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      16 months ago

      Keep reading:

      Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex