• Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml
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    I dont care who goes first untill they are all gone.

    Yes. You do, indeed, not care if NATO resumes old-style colonialism or not.
    That is why you are, effectively, in support of your empire and its colonial hold over most of the world.

    So if you want we can agree on putting Nato on the chopping block first.

    Okay, so you are willing to support some governments if it means that NATO is brought down and the threat of its colonialism is no more?

    Nope, i sadly do live under juristriction of a nation, which i oppose. Their interests are corrupt and do not serve society.

    You previously said that you would welcome the dismantlement of the governments that oppose your empire’s colonialism, and that those governments should not be supported. That means that you do support the advancement of the interests of your empire’s leadership.

    Ukrain is not an exception.

    I have to admit that I did not expect you to agree that that government should be dismantled promptly.

    If i would give anyone a pass its probably cuba, because the circumstances don’t really allow them to develop properly. But i am not giving them a pass, just sympathise.

    Surely you also sympathise with Korea, where your empire killed millions of people, occupied half of which, and turned the other half into rubble?
    What about Vietnam? What about almost the entire rest of Asia? Africa? South America?

    Oh, wait, I seem to have misread that. Surely you do not sympathise with a government that invaded Iraq and Syria, and which is filled with nazis who want to join the most prolific invader in the world to keep plundering Africa and Asia?

    Outgrow it so its no longer a threat (give it a few more centuries).

    This has to be a joke? You are saying that people should not be resisting your empire, but to just wait and suffer for a few centuries?

    You didn’t really expect a random internet user to have a fully sound detailed plan to fix the entire world did you?

    That’s not even a coarse plan. That’s a “just roll over and get subjugated for centuries” sort of suggestion.

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      I would refute the logic in your argument but there simply isnt any to be found.

      I cannot conceive the mental gymnastics required to turn repeated statements of “i do not support any authority, government or state, with no exceptions” into “supporting an empire”

      That’s not even a coarse plan. That’s a “just roll over and get subjugated for centuries” sort of suggestion.

      If your ideal is that one global power should win from a other then thats a “i want to subjugate everyone forever” sort of suggestion.

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        Shrinking into a corncob, I see.

        You are clearly walked through the logic, and your only response is to go “nuh uh”. Truly exemplifying the peak of western anarchist though

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          No i just get tired repeating the same things cause i acces lemmy on my phone and i have a family to take care of irl

          I said initialy i didnt plan on arguing cause its always a stalemate. I didnt change my mind, the person i talked to didnt either. Same as usual.

          As usualy i get carried away and end up in an argument anyway, which are very frustrating if people misframe my words.

          Though as much as its my own fault for responding, this shit is quite bad for my mental health. So i try to minimise it.

          Some people here can seemingly type walls of texts within a minute of me saying annything. It took me 30 minuts to type this one.

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            No i just get tired repeating the same things cause i acces lemmy on my phone and i have a family to take care of irl

            We all have obligations, yet everyone else manages to respond to your arguments, while you somehow manage to just rehest the same shit again and again.
            You have been explained the processes and logic, you have not responded to this, you are instead repeating yourself. That’s on you, you could just decide to engage.

            Some people here can seemingly type walls of texts within a minute of me saying annything. It took me 30 minuts to type this one.

            I mean no disrespect when I say this, I am a slow reader myself: I am sorry you consider any of these brief responses a “wall of text”. It feeds my inkling suspicion you aren’t very well-read on any of these subjects. It would do everyone good if you wrote even less and spent that time educating yourself instead.

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        I would refute the logic in your argument but there simply isnt any to be found.

        Oh nice. A weak attempt to save face while admitting to be wrong and having a position that supports colonialism (including genocides).

        I cannot conceive the mental gymnastics required to turn repeated statements of “i do not support any authority, government or state, with no exceptions” into “supporting an empire”

        You welcome the dismantlement of governments that oppose your empire, even if they fall before your empire. That means that your empire can further the subjugation of relevant people. This advances your leader’s interests.

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          Nope, not what i said or what i believe.

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              That is what i said yes, and i mean it. You just fail to take it literally and keep adding slander to it.

              You welcome the dismantlement of governments that oppose your empire

              Its that continued addition that i somehow want one global power to win first that’s bothering me cause its not true at all. I want all of them to lose, preferably at the same time.

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                That is what i said yes, and i mean it. You just fail to take it literally and keep adding slander to it.

                What it literally means is that you would welcome the governments that oppose your empire to fall, even if your empire does not.

                If the only development of events that you would like is for all governments to magically be undone in one moment simultaneously, you do not have anything of merit to say.

                Its that continued addition that i somehow want one global power to win first that’s bothering me cause its not true at all. I want all of them to lose, preferably at the same time.

                They can’t lose at the same time, and supporting the dismantlement of your empire first would mean supporting the governments that oppose it. You have said that you do not support any governments.

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                  You do not need to support a state to oppose a state. Revolution is powered by people. Not authorites.

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                    And in the real world stuff happens when a state collapses. So by doing your whole “who cares?” bit the practical end result is that the capitalist cares and they very much appreciate all your hard work spreading their propaganda for them.

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                    Cheering for the destruction of states in the Global South while NATO exists - which is what you promote - is simply support for NATO.

                    Also, do you think that revolutions are not powered by violence and threat thereof in order to enforce one group’s will upon another, i.e. by being authoritarian?
                    And no, waiting for a few centuries and doing nothing to oppose your empire is not a serious approach to tackling colonialism.

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        I would refute the logic in your argument but there simply isnt any to be found.

        Go back to Reddit you insufferable loser

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          Lel, thats even worse then hell. Well done.

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              Rule 1: be civil and nice

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                  Where have i called people names?

                  That i do not find logic in repeatingly calling me something i clearly am not is true.

                  That i found the go back to reddit commeng funny is also true, i thought it was sarcasm till the second comment.

                  I could have expressed the logic thing a little better really but the person i was talking to was very frustrating to reason with, to deserve plain insults by someone who wasnt even part of the conversation, feels very disproportiante.

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                    Civility is not just “whether one says a bad word” though it does not at all surprise me a dumbass liberal like you boils it down to that. However your comment about logic would be considered uncivil even within circles where a cretin like you would feel at home - as you well are aware. That you pretend not to be is in fact a great example of your lack of civility.

                    Civility is about behavior and you’ve been incredibly rude. Your response here to me show some of that same rudeness. Feigning ignorance, insisting arguments have not been made even though they have, ignoring said arguments yet demanding answers… I could go on. You have poor rhetorics, you are so imperious you believe nobody notices - this is uncivil as well, you pretend to be more obtuse than you are, you speak on subjects you do not understand instead of ask questions. You are a rude asshole and it is quite civil to treat you like one.
                    We want this environment to be nice and civil, this requires us to make it unwelcoming for people like you, who do not know how to behave when engaging with people you disagree with. Fuck you.