I’m so confused. I am on KDE Wayland and have been using push to talk for like a year now. What even is this?
The ability to use push to talk while Discord is not the focused window.
I know, it’s been working
Maybe it previously only kind of worked depending on setup? I remember I had trouble and I think I remember implementing a “fix” but at some point it stopped working for me.
From what I understand, what they’re doing now will work on all systems.
Still please don’t use it to host your source code. Or to communicate critical info.
That only took a decade to get done. Good job!
To be fair, it wasn’t the fault of Discord this time. The Wayland developers took their time, because they couldn’t agree (until now).
The global shortcuts portal is four years old.
It wasn’t finished and final about one or two months before. They were discussing the global shortcuts portal for about 10 years, with different portals and revisions, and they just couldn’t agree on. Now its official and final recommendation. Some desktop environments used some draft versions, and everyone did it in a slightly different way, so that it wasn’t a real standard yet. And many other window managers or desktop environments didn’t even attempt it. Therefore many tools didn’t use the half baked portal and chaos everywhere.
Meh, I already have a global mute shortcut. I have a keyboard shortcut for this script I found somewhere that toggles mic audio capture in ALSA.
mic_on=$(amixer get Capture | grep '\[on\]')if [ "$mic_on" = "" ] ; thenamixer set Capture toggle && paplay /usr/share/sounds/ocean/stereo/device-added.ogaelseamixer set Capture toggle && paplay /usr/share/sounds/ocean/stereo/device-removed.ogafiThis will mute all applications. While a workaround for your setup, on other use cases it wouldn’t work if the user wants to mute a specific application only.
Been waiting for this for a long time.
I’d recommend Stoat because they won’t rape you for all the personal data they can.
App looks very similar too. But friends, other devs and communities aren’t using it. Their privacy agreements seems to be much better than Discord, especially because their servers are located in Europe. But one should still understand this is not entirely private either. Note, I am not dunking on this service, just want to remember people to read privacy notices:
We do use certain service providers to process your data on our behalf.
Law & Order: We may disclose your information to third parties only if such disclosure is absolutely necessary to comply with a valid legal process, protect any person from death or serious injury, prevent fraud or abuse, or protect our rights, property, safety and interest.
If you wish to request deletion of any information stored on our servers … Exceptions apply for the third-party service providers used to process your data as described in the service supplement.
We may also process your personal data to comply with our legal obligations, to protect our legitimate interests or the interests of others.
- https://stoat.chat/legal/privacy
An alternative could also be Matrix, which at least is decentralized: https://matrix.org/
True story: one weekend I convinced my friends and family to try Matrix instead, and within the first day of using it someone spammed them with CSAM. That was the last of trying Matrix.
This is horrible, but its not like a Matrix only issue. I used Matrix a few times, but stopped because most people aren’t there. Never had an issue like CSAM or similar. In example someone got hacked by an exploit in the Linux Kernel. Does that mean everyone should stop using Linux?
I just simply can’t and won’t ask friends and family to try it again after they experienced that.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand your situation. It’s also embarrassing and traumatic, especially because you had experienced it yourself. I just meant this in general, that people should not be afraid of trying Matrix, because YOU had these terrible experience.
That was a coordinated attack that happened for a brief period. As a guy who runs his own home server, trust me when I say it was a nightmare for all involved.
That’s over, now that there are strong protections in place to prevent those sorts of attacks.
Also, if you’re trying to just use something between friends and family you can always turn off federation (E.g. Have matrix act just like the alternatives where you have one network and are only communicating with local accounts).
So glad I don’t have to wake up every morning and purge all remote media from the prior evening 😂
I’d recommend Fluxer over Stoat. Seems to be gaining more users and traction in a fraction of Stoat’s time.
I recommend Haven if your focus (!) is self hosting. Just a single container.
Chatto is also quite interesting (especially architecturally), but I dislike event sourcing without ability to technically prune old stuff. Also it’s closer to Slack than Discord.
Trying to get my friends to try Fluxer as well. 🫠 Maybe one day. I’m refusing discord though, so when they play with me they are forced to talk to me using Steam’s voice chat.
fluxer.lemmy.world is still returning a 404
then where’s stoat.sdf.org? 🤣
The lights are barely kept on for our Lemmy instance, I don’t expect a Stoat server anytime soon…
Then maybe they should take a massive bankloan🤣😂
discord and twitter…
If they enjoy discord, they are likely okay with Twitter. At best you would see Discord on Bluesky.
bluesky aka blue twitter
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pizza and pineapple
Delicious.
Also chicken pizza with curry and banana. 😋
Can’t wait to see how this will result in another massive leak of personal data that they totally don’t retain.
What has this anything to do with leaking personal data? This is about the global shortcuts, that can be used while your operating system focus is on another application. This is a long standing issue on Wayland and just recently got solved I think. And Discord being one of the first to make use of this new Wayland “feature” is absurd (in a good way). So I don’t understand where you coming from with this statement.
What exactly do you want tell me with that? I should search for data leaks through a search engine? This does not address my point whatsoever. We are talking about global shortcuts protocol from Wayland here, has nothing to do with data leaks: https://flatpak.github.io/xdg-desktop-portal/docs/doc-org.freedesktop.portal.GlobalShortcuts.html
“What exactly do you want tell me with that? I should” click on those links?
I’m guessing their point was to do with the 1st word in the title of the thread.
But your link does not address my issue, you are talking about data leaks. But the global shortcuts on Wayland has nothing to do with Discord dataleaks that happened in the past. You are conflicting two different topics here. Click the link I provided (its not a search link, its an actual result) and read through to understand what global shortcuts are.
I’m not qualified to address your issue.
This has nothing to do with data leaks. Global shortcuts just mean that if you focus on a different application, then you can still control the application in background with shortcuts like Ctrl+1. That’s all. This changes nothing about data collection or data leaking.
FINALLY
AT LAST
I haven’t used discord for a couple of years. got an email yesterday informing me that unless I log in soon, my account will be deleted.
…oh no
I’m going to let them delete it, saves me having to
They keep your messages around if you account gets deleted. You have to use an alternative tool to delete them
Deleted my reddit account only to find my comments were still there. So I’m guessing Discord messages will still be there - I wonder what happens to servers with no admin.
Why do something yourself when someone is more than willing to do it for you!
There’s no way these companies actually delete anything, ever. You can probably still get myspace pictures, and that company was before Facebook.
Oh my god. Push to talk.
:o
Holy fuck.
Linux didn’t have the most basic voice chat function up to now??? :O
They STILL don’t???
What the actual
Checks original release date for ventrilo
It was an issue with Wayland. Before that we had X11, where global shortcuts wasn’t an issue.
Apple phones used to have headphone jacks, removable batteries, and expandable memory.
How is this relevant to our discussion?
They lost everything, you lost the shortcuts to everything
We didn’t lost shortcuts to everything. It’s only about global shortcuts, all other still work. And given the Wayland global shortcuts are now functional and officially supported, its not the same situation anymore. The difference to iPhones is, that you cannot do anything about it on iPhone. On Wayland however desktops environments such as KDE, GNOME and Hyperland could implement a custom variant (or the draft version of the portal) and have it functional; it was just not a standard.
So no, the situation is not entirely comparable. We are not at mercy by one single company.
Ahhh, blame it on Wayland. I see how it is.
You know that the Wayland portal for global shortcuts took 10 years discussions before they finally settled in, right? Off course it is to blame the Wayland devs (those responsible for this portal), not Discord.
Portals are dbus actually. a different IPC mechanism.
When I need to check something on Discord I do it with a browser anyway, I tried installing it on linux but every time I would run it I would get a demand to manually install a new binary because there was an update, and I don’t want it having that level of access to my computer anyway.
It used to do that for one of my devices, but it has since stopped, no idea what to say to the access though.
I am quite curious what the mechanism for that will be
XDG Global shortcuts portal? Has existed and been supported by plasma and gnome for a while https://flatpak.github.io/xdg-desktop-portal/docs/doc-org.freedesktop.portal.GlobalShortcuts.html
Hyperland also did that if I’m right. They supported an alpha version of the global shortcuts. Nobody knew if this is the final form or not. Global shortcuts are official since 1 month or so, see https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/2142 and https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/525
Wow and to think I could have gone without knowing that and that it would have had absolutely no impact on my life whatsoever. Crazy. Makes you think. About burritos or something. Certainly not about Discord on Linux though.
too little, too late
