Ive been working on eliminating genocide consumption from my life. I got rid of windows. I am not working on google.
I’ll join, but I already thought Apple was overpriced bullshit.
Idiots love it, though.
Just get to feel better and better about buying a fairphone.
Greta is one of the coolest people in the world right now istg
Peter Thiel puts her in a sort of deity tier.
Only just bc this comment reminded me of this Zoolander scene!
Haven’t they been on the BDS list for a while now?
The official BDS list is very small and targeted and does not contain Apple (yet). BDS is meant as a starting point for the most important companies to boycott according to the BDS org. Boycotting beyond that is still effective.
I use an extended list that contains companies connected to those on the main list, and companies connected to those companies. I’m still a little surprised Apple hasn’t been on the official list yet, but hopefully this will get them added to it.
I use the No Thanks app which contains almost every brand and only occasionally run into some tech stuff which is difficult because almost all of the major players have Israel links but I try to get AMD since they’re least bad in that respect for now.
I use Boycat, which has a barcode scanner. There are a few things that I’ve found that should be on its list that aren’t (largely due to recent buyouts), but it’s very handy when I’m not sure about something in the store.
I haven’t bought any tech lately. I’m hoping that Chinese GPUs will hit American markets eventually and I can just avoid all the American tech companies before I need to upgrade. We’ll see.
Why in the hell would you setup R&D for a computer company in Isreal for any reason that isn’t a bribe of some sort?
Israelis infiltrate companies and then try to funnel investment of the company into Israel and hire more Israelis. It’s the most blatant nepotism and corruption you’ll ever see.
I promise I won’t buy a Duo.
i wish i could escape the ecosystem but ive been in it for decades now and have no idea how to:
- de apple but still retain coherence and not need to treat my phone like a linux pc
- i can de mac and use a linux pc; i do on my servers at home fine.
- de google. see phone concerns.
- i can happily self host a cloud. but whatever.
sigh. no clear checklist path.
thing is: i am a sw engineer already and have lazily enjoyed my phone being something i dont have to worry about day to day.
i left their ecosystem about 3 years ago now.
- i replaced by macbook with a lenovo which came without any OS (no microsoft taint!).
- i replaced by iphone with a fairphone running e/OS/, it can do anything my pro max could except take equally good photos, for some that might be a dealbreaker but avoiding US stuff is more important for me. there is also jolla as an alternative, but it costs three times as much.
- i switched to pcloud (a swiss pay-once model) from icloud, it took a couple of hours to download 53.000 photos, since they limit it to 1000 at a time (maybe there was a better way to do it). it works so much better than icloud too.
- i switched to several mail providers that weren’t quite what i needed until i found a local server provider, costs me $20 a year + $20 for a domain, with some 50gb of email storage. they have since increased their price but i’m locked in to this offering. if they ever force bump the price i’d try mailbox.org though.
- i tried to use cryptdrive for writing and documents but there is no native software and it’s annoying to use on phone so i now basically do all my writing and notes in upnote. it’s everything i need in terms of writing and sharing and uses a pay-once model. they also add all features i have personally ask for, so that’s really cool.
- i had already used bitwarden for all passwords and proton authenticator so i don’t need to move any of that shit over.
i haven’t used any google products in like 10 years anyway (it’s why i switched to apple in the first place. but i feel like now the open source or european alternatives have finally caught up with the standards i need).
great write up. thanks! i use protonmail for my domain emails. but will look into e/os/ and fair phone when this iphone dies. the other things i’ll look into, too! (i dont so much care abt photos but it couldnt hurt to keep them backed up, i reckon )
I wouldn’t bother with the mobile devices so much.
Google is deeply embedded in the zionist entity. It has multiple subdivisions located there, deep ties to their intelligence apparatus (and to the US intelligence apparatus) Jumping from paying apple $1000 for a phone to paying Google $1000 for a phone that you install another OS on doesn’t really help IMO and is like jumping from a boiling pot into the deep fryer next to it.
Don’t buy Mac computers, don’t buy Apple accessories, don’t buy in iTunes, and limit app store purchases where feasible. That and putting up some stickers/posters or making more people aware of this complicity to hit Apple even a little in the pocket will do more than switching phone ecosystems like that.
limit app store purchases where feasible
I have never seen the need to purchase anything on any “app store”, be it Apple or Google Play.
yeah when it comes to large corps there is (usually) no escape its ties to zionism. :/
What exactly are the phone concerns tho?
Having to tinker with a Linux phone? There’s tons of issues still.
welp it is my understanding that a degoogled andrioid os phone involves a bunch of sysadmin steps to keep stuff updated and secure? i could be wrong!
Not at all, perhaps only a modicum of technology confidence to do the install, though I can understand how it can feel/seem a tad daunting. Sent from my GrapheneOS pixel with no sysadmin knowledge 🫡.
Only if you consider using a different app than the play store to be sysadmin, really. Depending on your reliance on proprietary apps and ability to accept foss apps, it doesn’t have to be much different.
well yeah. i love me some foss stuff. but from an os level, the footprint and response to cves from an oss os vs a corporate one i can see going both ways. in short, i should pick up and try a graphene one.
I don’t think it was ever that troublesome. But custom rom support was indeed a hit or miss thing. I bought FP6 with /e/OS preinstalled for this reason and had no issues. At least no major ones. No babysitting required stuff just works.
Other popular option is google pixel with graphene.
Using GrapheneOS is as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. I’m not de googled entirely as I use the play store for some apps, but running the sandboxed play store and an F droid client is all it takes. That’s like 5 minutes of setup. It’s really not different from stock android or iOS except I have two app stores to choose from instead of one. It all updates automatically and just works
thanks for the input!
best thing you can do is keep using whatever device you have right now until it dies
NAS + linux everything
welcome to my world. lol
google’s “dont be evil” motto suckered me in during the early 2000’s and now i’m so quagmiresd in it that i can’t find a single path for all of it.
atleast graphene for me will be slightly easier since i’ve mostly used android this entire time – idk what iphone users will do.
I guess a second hand pixel with Graphene os maybe?
I assume you wouldn’t have to worry much about it. Except for google shenanigans w.r.t. third party app stores.
Same. It is, what it is. You can’t fight in all wars. It is also okay to just be conscious and informed about it. No one wins if you try to fight everything and die because of exhaustion.
Your comment along with your username, feels like an appro case of nominative determinism.
That does suck they did that, such a “great american company”, like so many others don’t really care about the country where they started. It’s business and they create jobs elsewhere, and then people blame on Dems for wanting safe workplaces, benefits and livable incomes for people, rather than the businesses that chose others over We The People. Truth.
Adding a log to the camel’s back seems overkill. Already had plenty reasons long time ago. Since before Greta existed even.
So what am I supposed to use instead? Android by Google? GrapheneOS on a Google Pixel? I reluctantly switched from Google Pixel to iPhone a year ago and plan on just not upgrading as long as possible tbh
GrapheneOS on a secondhand pixel is the best choice, but that’s not saying much tbh. The entire smartphone ecosystem is fucked.
I love being carrier locked.
got a pixel 7a and was able to get to like, step 6 of intalling graphene until I realized, I have to contact and convince T-mobile to unlock my shit.
Motorola has a Graphene phone coming out soonTM. Else just buy a non-Google Android phone.
Do you have any idea how hard these are to get on most of the planet?
Android phones…?
Degloogled ones
LineageOS exists and can be installed on most androids in a day.
Yeah but the OP talked about buying a non Googled Android and centainly this service is limited.
Also, only a few selected ROMs support VoLTE. Sure, you still can install the ROM but your phone won’t make calls, unless the area is covered by legacy 2G. Most carriers will require VoLTE to unlock the SIM, tho.
I mean, they said “non Google” which is different from degoogled because the former just means Google didn’t make it.
what’s blocking someone in your situation from buying something from the likes of murena or installing lineage yourself?
$. It doesn’t grow on trees
but installing it yourself is free
I was honestly disappointed when they said it’s going to be a high-end phone costing over 1000€.
Google makes a huge amount of money from Android though so I’m curious to see what Motorola is cooking
You could always install AOSP-based ROMs (LineageOS, /e/, etc.) on those non-Google Android phones. Google doesn’t really make any money from those (if you avoid Gapps).
If you want to avoid Android and iOS altogether, you’re going to be disappointed with Motorola as well, because they’ll keep using Android (which, just like the other ROMs, GrapheneOS is based on), leaving you with basically just Linux-based operating systems like postmarketOS, Ubuntu Touch or Sailfish OS.
Like Huawei and China are any better than the US companies.
Right now there are almost no options not linked to some major political movement or crime against humanity.
So it would be best to choose the option that gives you the most freedom to avoid government and corporate overreach after purchase. Where it is developed or manufactured is less important compared to that.
You make it sound like china and US are the same level of bad. When US+Israel are currently doing a televised genocide. Chinese AI models are the reason why most of the world are even able to run efficient AI model on their own devices. Chinese EVs are making electric cars more affordable. Chinese companies are leading the solar adoption. Chinese ram manufacturers are breaking up RAM monopoly. Chinese companies are also making sodium ion batteries mainstream.
Sure china is not free of any wrong doing but comparatively, they are not as bad as US.
And if you wanna avoid both china and USA then you also have fairphone on which you can install calyx, e/OS, or lineage.
Yes China is a million times better in terms of human rights than Israel
Tell that to the Uyngers and Tibitans.
It looks different from the Palestinian genocide, in that rather than straight bombing and stealing land, China focuses more on mass interment and re-education, forced sterilization and forced labour.
Just like the US and Israel, China is being ruled by capitalist Oligarchs that will commit genocide to gain and control resources.
There’s no Uighur genocide, you Radio Free Asia listener.
You sound like a Israeli propagandist talking about Palestine.
The UN has recognized both as genocides as the evidence is sufficient.
The UN says there were rapes on October 7 which has been fully debunked.
Just because they said something bad about Israel once after 3 years you think they’re impartial? They’re about as pro-Western as you can possibly get
The UN was about to punish Iran on its PACIFIC nuclear program like, this week. 🤦♂️
Western fabricated consent is a helluva drug.
What happen to the uygur and tibitans is terrible but nothing compared to Gaza where the goal is complete physical extermination of palestinians from the river to the sea
“Million” sure.
It’s better no doubt, but you’re still trading one devil for another.
The same tired two-sides-of-same-coin rhetoric.
My dude, the US has/had: native genocide, race based segregation, concentration camps, decimation of the Vietnamese, Koreans, Iraqis, Afghans, Iranians, Lybians, Somalis, backed up multiple jihads around Africa and Asia, received a lot of Nazis from the WWII and has their own pet genocidal Israelis, was responsible for multiple military coups, another genocide in Indonesia, is starving Cuba, and so on. Also two atomic bombs in the resume.
America is Satan through and through. Stop being disingenuous. Or are you also a monster?
Its important to understand what motivates that level of barbarity. Its not the nation or its people, its capitalist greed through Oligarchy. For all its image of freedoms, it has always been freedom of the powerfull to exploit the weak.
Its the age old story of empires. They are all built on exploitation. US empire, Soviet Empire, British Empire, Chinese Empire, Caliphates, Roman, Greek, Ottomans, Israeli. The moment a small group of greedy individuals gain sufficient power over the masses in a society, they employ it to exploit people.
If we want a better world, we need to stop giving small groups of people executive power. Party politics, organized religion, monarchy’s, corporations, they all need to go.
Why are you talking to me in platitudes? Are you a liberal? Most probably, I see a .world there. Firstly: everyone is equally bad is a discourse that only tries to absolve the shitty ones around YOU. That’s the great monster to defeat right now, you dishonest prick. Not only the greedy ones around you, also the petty ones around you, and your complacent relatives and neighborhood. Secondly: we WHO? Take your fat ass outside to make a difference, the change you want to see, then maybe there you can find a we.
You can choose between unlimited genocide on the third world or copyright theft and some civil rights struggles.
Seems like a pretty clear lesser evil to me.
used pixel and graphene
or Fairphone 6+ and e/os
Gives money to someone to buy a new pixel lol
That is a valid concern, especially since there is no viable options. I guess the best option would be to ditch the phone and wait for the Linux phone - but that isn’t necessarily viable either, so compromises have to be made - for now.
No idea, I’m really hoping the co-op of Motorola and non-android ends up working on more than the intended hardware. They say they want it for flagship, but hopefully it ends up working on a number of cheaper Motorola phones or such
Graphene wants hw support, so if there is no support it won’t run. Alternative OS might and probably already do, though, such as lineage, e/OS etc.
There isn’t really a correct answer, nor one that will “absolve you of sin”. Trying to maintain some kind of purity is as much a distraction from the root of the problem as self-recycling is in regards to global warming.
Having a tool you have confidence in us important. I’ve been slowly backing out of the Apple ecosystem since the last election, but being present, the sacrifice of time and place, at town meetings, party meetings, etc. is going to have a much greater impact on the world around you than trying to purchase salvation with phone.
oh weird, i thought isreal was mainly into beeper technology…
only for the dirty brown people who don’t know their place. :p
I use a de-Googled phone with /e/OS installed. Works like a dream!
You can also go to https://plexus.techlore.tech/ to check app compatibilities. I discovered new apps via https://switchdigest.eu/.
I have a 12 mini I just replaced the battery on. I’ll keep it running as long as I can, hopefully a few more years. I took it out of its case for the first time when I had the battery replaced, it looks brand-new, perfect condition.
Truth is, I’ll probably go with Apple again whenever this phone bites it. But, who knows?
It’s not the end of the world. Boycotting matters most and is easiest when you don’t care much about a product brand. Which are most products for most people.
In our current state; the lack of privacy, I challenge myself on why I need a newer similar model of phone. Like the number of apps I used has significantly decreased and continues to. Having the shiniest new toy is not with it, especially when it’s not novel.
Better battery life and camera mostly.
If your battery is good and you’re happy with your camera, there’s no reason to upgrade any more often than like 6-7 years on flagships these days. Cheap phones will actually get outdated in that time.
