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By there not being enough consequences for these boys, not only are you making more boys like this, but not doing those boys any favours either. No one mentally healthy is going to want to be with that kind of boy.
Weak parents. Weak schools. Weak government. Failing everyone.
I blame the parents
Yeah who the hell is buying creeper glasses for kids to wear at schools. This is messed up.
From the opening part of the article, the problem is not just the glasses. The glasses are definitely an issue that needs to be sorted out society wide, but there is a problem with how these boys are raised. Badly raised boys have always been an issue but now they are being raised by manosphere incel influencers. The glasses just let them record their harassment to post for clout and to draw others into their bullying.
Teen Boys Terrorize Girls at High Schools and Middle Schools in Very Public and Easily Tracable Ways and Still No One is Stopping Them
What teen boys can even fucking afford those? They’re like £500 for a stupid pair of glasses
I’m a teacher. I don’t know how they pull this of - but even kids from poorer families tend to carry some very expensive gadgets around all day. Stuff I wouldn’t afford with my 4k salary because it would be completely unreasonable.
They do.
Sit them in a dunce corner full of mirrors until the battery runs out.
Why is the minimum age not 18?
Creeps exist above 18 years old too…
Yes but starting with an age limitation is a start on these damn things.
in what world is age restricting a relatively normal camera a reasonable decision?
How the fuck is this a “relatively normal” camera, or ANY kind of “normal”? People like you are the reason these companies get away with shit like this.
When it breaks laws. My area has two-party consent laws, so recording someone, whether audio or video, without their explicit consent is against the law. Children are often not held to the fullest extent of the law, and if they cannot be held responsible, then they shouldn’t have access to such devices until they can be.
I’m not naive to think that these devices will just go away or that the genie can go back into the bottle. But that is where regulation must act to protect people’s privacy rights.
It’s ok, their parents will take care of the situation.
Ah-hahaha, what a joke.
Good for the girls, they’ll know which boys to stay away from!
Can someone explain why this isn’t actually a solution to an old problem? We used to have issues with various forms of harassment that were not addressed because they relied on unreliable testimony. Now we actually have people creating hard evidence of their actions.
The behaviors described in this article are banned in every school I or my children have ever attended. How difficult would it be for the parents of any of these victims to hire a lawyer to absolutely wipe the floor with these people? Don’t these videos basically put the perpetrators heads on silver platters?
Crime usually comes before punishment. Right now the system is working it’s way into figuring out how to deal with this new social dynamic. Like you, I think it’s pretty straightforward. We won’t solve the core reason for the bullying dynamics though. I think humans that adhere to gendered thinking will be behind on that for a good long while yet.
It would be pretty messed up if the punishment came before the crime.
My point, in this case is that the crime has been ongoing. Bullying and harassment aren’t new. What’s new is that we now have a lot of it recorded. This gives us an unprecedented ability to prosecute a class of crimes that people have been committing with impunity.
The biggest downside is that it would likely be short-lived. If there were a bunch of headlines about people getting giant civil judgements, bullies would probably learn to be more careful about generating evidence of their crimes.
That would likely initially focus on attempting to hide the videos from the general public but I suspect they would eventually learn that doesn’t work; courts can compel discovery. They would probably also try to modify their on-screen behavior so it doesn’t technically qualify as a crime but I expect they would mostly fail at that.
That said there would likely always be some cohort of dumb criminals who continue to record their misdeeds. We still see cases where people discuss their crimes over unencrypted email and we still see cases of criminals taking selfies with their crimes
You assume that action will actually be taken on the perpetrators here.
Sort of.
I am making an assumption that there are some people who are likely highly motivated to take action. Parents often care about bullying of their own children, even when the rest of the school doesn’t. We wouldn’t need all parents to care, just a few of them.
I’m not assuming that lawyers are generally willing to work for free but I do assume that they like money and are willing to take cases on contingency, if they think the case is strong enough.
I’m also going on my understanding that video evidence tends to be fairly strong and that this translates into a higher probability of a favorable judgement with less work on the lawyer’s part.So it’s less that I’m making an assumption than that I’m asking where the gap in the above reasoning chain lies.
“Hey everyone, this asshole is wearing smart glasses and recording us all. Question is: are they going to remove them right now, or are we?”
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.pocketpc.nearbyglasses
If I saw them I would call the police. Especially if there are kids around. No 4th amendment here and no local police departments that can easily be bought off. The police might not find something incriminating every time.
I guarantee most of these schools protect the bullies and punish the victims. Like if a girl being harassed broke the glasses, she would get expelled. The world is the way it is because people enable and worship bullies across the board.
Schools don’t care about bullying or sexual harassment as long as it doesn’t look bad on them. If it can be swept under the rug, they will ignore it.
At least that is my experience from schools in the UK.
For parents in America, we have an escalation path: school board, media, lawyer. Depending on the situation, the orders may change.
When the school make you feel like you are the one who did something wrong you are not going to tell your parents about it.
this is why advocacy groups are important
Same in the US
This. My friend in HS went to guidance multiple times to complain about being bullied by another classmate. After the 2nd or 3rd time requesting thy switch his class, they decided to resolve the issue by forcing them to be partners for an assignment in class. He complained again, and was told to deal with it. One day my friend finally cracked and broke the bully’s nose because he had enough and clearly the school was only willing to make this worse, so they called the police on my friend. It’s pretty insane how some things get dealt with sometimes.
I wish they called the police when I stood up for myself. It was sexual harassment/assault but I didn’t know that at the time, I just knew I didn’t like it so used violence. He stopped and ran off bleeding all over the place.
Totally valid self defence from a legal perspective. But they only used the threat of calling the police and I was absolutely terrified so just shut down.
Countless stories like this :(
In a different video, the same boy films another upset girl approaching him with a metal stool in her hands. An adult intervenes before anyone is hurt.
Exactly, they always protect the bullies.
Humans suck at looking at things on a long timeline. “Sticks and stones”. You don’t usually see the effects of years of bullying until adulthood. Or at least not immediately. A TBI, that’ll get you fucking sued. Emotional trauma? What’s that?
Fuck they still try to blame school shootings on videogames and now tiktok.
Yeah no shit letting people go around with concealed recording equipment is resulting in problems. Especially in a fucking school!
So the same bullying that always happens is now visible and that’s the core problem people see. The glasses, not the bullies wearing them or the bullying recorded. Watch teachers and schools fight the recording, that make evidence fall right into their laps, so they can go back to ignoring bullying in their schools and then act shocked when serious fights, or worse happen.
Actually a good point, the bullying and sexual harassment was always there with or without the glasses.
The glasses give them a new option for harassment, but it happens either way.
Did we not learn from those X-ray goggle ads in the 50s? Boys are pervs and any toy that achieves it will get whatever adolescent/pre-adolescent boys can summon.
Actually, Zuck learned to exploit this craving. Sick fuck.
