Hi, I am a young Italian (I guess the “poste Italiane” gives it away uh) and I plan to make my fist small experiments to understand how buying stoks and ETFs works.
I tried to look around what all those acronyms and big words mean but usually the definition and explanations I found use other acronyms and big words and end up being mentally exhausting to follow.
As far as I understand An ETF is a group of companies that share a market and by shoving money in there (investing in the found is the right phrase I guess)
you either buy stocks
(which are just money you give the company to spend and after the profit is made it should give it back with a certain interest I think, right? How much interest and how often is a great mystery I have yet to solve)
or fractions of stocks
(what is the point of a stock being a certain price then??? If i can just buy a small piece of it???)
from one of the companies in the found
(randomly I guess, or according to a broker whims maybe idk)
and when the dividends are paid you can either get some money back or reinvested in the found.
Those ETFs are apparently more secure because they spread your money around multiple companies within multiple fields and I feel like I should invest more in those then in singular companies, is that right?
Also I’m planning to start with 50€ each month but if I feel comfortable enough I plan to rise the investment to maybe 300€ monthly, but I often see people saying that for those amounts of money (which are a fuckton to me) you should just dump in a single ETF and forget about it for like 10 years, but it feels so wrong to put so much money into something with risks attached to it and then ignoring it, is there something else I’m not getting? (As opposed to all the other things I’m understanding perfectly, right?)
Be sure to dig into the composition of any index fund you buy. Many of them have so much technology stock that they’re both indistinguishable from each-other and also doomed (edit: As was pointed out - yes this is hyperbole. I am neither from the future nor a sacred prophet of a time traveling diety.).
The market does great over time, but anyone in tech can tell you this is an abysmal time to buy in to tech stock.
Any fund that blindly buys big popular companies is going to be shattered by the coming tech bubble bursting.
Look for funds with rules for inclusion. Today’s tech stocks are fraught with fraud may have trouble passing those rules.
Ethical funds exist, but don’t currently go far enough to protect your investment. Smoking is bad, but certain kinds of warmongering are apparently a-ok…
Sector specific funds like energy, or transportation have much lower exposure to the current tech bubble.
Dont trust anyone that claims that something will go up or down like he is a wizard.
This is excellent advice. I don’t know the future. I just know that technology is acting the ways it did before previous busts, but much worse this time.
Still… transportation is looking really good, right now. Everybody needs stull delivered.
First, feel no shame or embarresment for asking your questions. No one is born with this knowledge. We only obtain it by study or asking others. That’s exactly what you’re doing, and its just fine.
Second, while the basics of stocks are mostly the same across the world, each country can have different rules for how to buy, taxation, and added/reduced risks or advantages vs other types of investing available to you in your country. Getting answers from someone that knows the systems in Italy should be your next step before investing any of your money.
but it feels so wrong to put so much money into something with risks attached to it and then ignoring it, is there something else I’m not getting?
The non-obvious answer is: there is no path with zero risk. Even just holding onto your money in cash in your hand, it loses value over time due to inflation. Meaning 1€ coin will buy more today of something than the same coin one year from now as inflation raises prices on what you’d buy. So part of investing is to gain more money while another type is to lose as little or no money as possible. The first path generally has higher risk than the second path, however the first path has generally higher reward than the second path.
As far as I understand An ETF is a group of companies that share a market and by shoving money in there (investing in the found is the right phrase I guess)
The only relationship each of the company’s stocks in an ETF (or mutual fund for that matter) have is that they are chosen to be in a group by the organization (brokerage company) that is selling shares in the ETF. The individual companies actually don’t have a choice to be in or out of an ETF. That choice is made by the brokerage company. That brokerage company will buy individual stocks, put them in a big pile, then sell you a tiny slice of that pile as a share in the ETF. This means you have an easy way to own a tiny piece of lots of companies without having to buy individual shares in each company.
Those ETFs are apparently more secure because they spread your money around multiple companies within multiple fields and I feel like I should invest more in those then in singular companies, is that right?
ETFs generally smooth out some of the volatility (rapid stock price rises and falls) because not all companies in the ETF are successful or failing at the same time. The “more secure” idea may come if you invest in a single company stock, and that company goes bankrupt, you lose 100% of your money. If you invest in an ETF and that same company is only 5% of the stock inside ETF, you only lose 5% of your money. The converse is also true though. If that company doubles its stock price, and you own individual stocks, your money doubles. If the company doubles its stock price and its only only 5% of the stock inside ETF, your money has only gone up by 10%.
I feel like I should invest more in those then in singular companies, is that right?
I generally don’t recommend picking individual stocks. Most people, myself included, pick very poorly or pick at the wrong time to buy or sell vs holding a large index ETF like one that mirrors the USA S&P500 (which includes the 500 largest profitable companies in the USA). I do a very small amount of individual stock picks myself and more often than not I would have been better off putting that money in a S&P500 ETF (which is where most of my money goes).
you should just dump in a single ETF and forget about it for like 10 years,
Generally this is good advice. You wouldn’t want to pick an exotic ETF for this like something that includes only “large office building rentals” (yes such a thing exists). You’d pick something like that USA S&P500 ETF that historically has a steady return over time. The most important component to investing is TIME! This allows the power of compound interest to do the heavy lifting. Example: if a person put 10,000€ in S&P500 ETF the very first year the Euro existed in 1999, and never put another cent in, that person would have 100,491€ today! The money would be 10 times what was put in! That’s the power of time!
Thank you for your time! Your explanation of what an EFTs is so helpful actually.
I got a whiff of the complications about local lows could bring already but I think I am handling those problems better then the ones with the actual trading (mostly because I can actually understand what people talk about)
Imo this is good advice, the only other thing i’d mention is Dollar Cost Averaging, basically budgeting to put a similar amount of money into something over a longer period of time. If you were to put $10,000 into something today, and the market has a routine crisis, it would sting a lot more than if you put the same amount of money in chunks of $200 over several months. Good to find something with low brokerage fees local to you.
Another thing worth mentioning, ETF or indexed funds will have lists of what they contain, if you can’t find them, then you can ask for them (but they’re normally easy to find). I say this because my money sat in a fund for a really long time that was filled with weapon companies and bonds in imperialist governments. You can find things labeled ‘ethical’, they’re normally not that ethical (how is 20% of a fund being tied up in US tech stocks - google, apple, etc - ethical?), but it’s better than having a direct stake in Lockheed Martin and Israeli Government bonds.
Oh and you will not time the market, do not try. I’ve never sold anything outside of an emergency when I needed the cash, and it generally takes about a week to organise.
I’ve had to look into this a lot because the government takes a portion of my pay and makes me invest it in superannuation.

- Live well below your means and save monthly. €300 a month is reasonable.
- Stocks have a specific split because the stock market used to be done on paper and it would make no sense to handle billions of shares pet transaction, so they made the proportion of each share large. Fractional shares build on this system. Your brokerage has to handle this for you by keeping a portion of shares free for it since the stock market itself can only trade full shares.
- Just set it and forget about it. Put the money in a global/total ETF with a low fee rate. It’s about the lowest risk thing you can do.
Also I want to say that I don’t really want to buy from “the big ones” like Amazon or Microsoft for a deep personal hatred towards certain megacorps
You can look up the composition of each index, before you buy it.
Usually I need a web search to map the stock ticker to a holding company and then another wwb search to map the holding company to a real company.
You’ll see heavy amounts of Microsoft, Alphabet (Google) and Amazon in anything that is just blindly buying with an algorithm - almost as if algorithm companies are good at fooling an algorithm…
Searching for funds with a non-technology focus will help, or searching for funds that focus on providing a dividend return (today’s biggest tech companies are deep in debt and usually don’t pay a quarterly dividend.)
Companies that do routinely pay a dividend are under some pressure to resoond to their customers rather than to CEO hype waves.
If that’s the case, most ETFs will get crossed off your list
I will note that another way to look at it is by owning full shares of large companies you get to vote as a shareholder on how that company is run because you literally own a small slice of it. Sure, the handful of shares most retail investors own don’t make a difference compared to the shares owned by investment banks and ETFs, but if you want to put your money to work in more ways than just making more money, owning stocks is one way to do that at a principled level. It is also a way to buy into companies you do agree with, and again vote to keep them going in the direction you want them to go in. That said, a somewhat lower-risk way to do this is to look for socially aligned ETFs. There are many around that invest into companies with solid climate goals/records, good stances on human rights, investment into employee wellbeing, and tons more depending on what you care about. They aren’t likely to have the same returns as an index fund that tracks the S&P or NASDAQ, but it’s a more socially responsible way to invest with non-monetary returns.
Some books to look at:
- The Richest Man in Babylon
- A Random Walk Down Wallstreet
- The Index Card
Yes the last two are very US centric. But the basic ideas and instruments are more or less global. Some things might go by different local names but once you recognize to them, you’ll know what they are and how they work.
You should only invest in things you understand!
When you buy a stock you don’t just give said company your money. You actually own a piece of that company. When said company has more money than it needs it could pay out dividends to its shareholders. And then you get your percentage of that total dividend.
How often these payments happen depends on the company and if there is a crisis they will stop completely.
ETFs are basically groupings of things. EG there are ETFs that follow the MSCI World, but theoretically there could be an ETF for “Italian companies that sell green Keyboards” or any other rule/grouping you could think of.
If you buy ETF you buy a share of said ETF. So not any stocks of random companies. The ETF then uses your invested money to invest according to what it specified in its description. When those Investments gain money your share gains value, when they fail your share loses money.
There are 2 types of ETFs: accumulating & distributing. They distinguish what happens with dividends. (& have other implications e.g. with taxes)
I think if you buy less then 1 share you dont actually own a part of the company. Someone owns the share of which you bought the part of and that someone then has to give you your part of the dividend they received from the company.
A few thoughts for you:
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when you buy a stock, you are buying a tiny part of an individual company. When you buy a mutual fund, you are buying into a collection of companies put together by whoever runs the fund. They charge a fee for this service, baked into the cost of the funds, which is disclosed in the fine print but you may not notice if you don’t know where to look. Those are often priced once a day. An ETF is simply a mutual fund that is traded like a stock.
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“Index” funds and ETFs are popular because they are meant to mimic the performance of an index (like the S&P 500), so there are very few investment choices to make - so, their managers can’t charge as high a fee.
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Generally speaking, when you buy a stock or fund you don’t owe any tax on it until you sell, and then you only owe tax on the portion that it increased. (So, if you bought at $100, and sold at $120, you may get a form that said you made $20 in income). But some stocks pay dividends, and some mutual funds buy and sell stocks which result in a “paper gain” for the fund even if you didn’t sell. Be aware of how this all works in your country. (And, in particular, don’t ignore any forms they send you, read it all to find out if it affects your taxes!)
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Bank deposits often have some government guarantee, where if the bank goes under the government will make sure you don’t lose your money. Stocks are not like that. You can buy stock in a company, and see it go bankrupt later. It’s stock might go worthless without you even selling it. That’s another reason why some people stick to mutual funds, though, because it spreads out risk a bit more.
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Stocks are priced strictly by supply and demand. Who is buying, and who is selling? Since you are buying shares in actual companies, it is possible if you understand how to read financial reports to find out which stocks are “cheap” and which are “overpriced”. But, in order for the stock to actually go up, there need to be more people buying, for whatever reason.
I hope this helped. Good luck!
I noticed the fees I think, in the app I’m using (traderepubblic) are listed as small yearly percentages (like 0.07% yearly and some founds go up to 0.60% does that feel right?) and a 1€ fee for “services” also annually.
For taxes I’m somewhat lucky that traderepubblic and the way taxes works in my country makes everything almost automatic for me, but I’ll keep an eye out for weird things
I am 500% certain that I have absolutely no idea on how to actually understand if a stock is too cheap or too expensive, so I will definitively not try to do it for the foreseeable future lol
Thank you for your answer!
So, your broker may charge a fee just to trade. If you buy an individual stock, there are usually no fees beyond that.
I did some digging and came up with this S&P 500 fund which claims to be traded on several European exchanges, and yes, it’s fee is listed as 0.07% yearly. But you will never see a bill for that. Instead, it will be quietly taken out of the fund, and at the end of the year your fund will be worth 0.07% less.
On the other hand, an actively managed fund (where they make particular investment decisions) might have a 1% or 2% fee…
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- https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started_for_non-US_investors
- https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Bogleheads®_investing_start-up_kit_for_non-US_investors
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Investment_Answer (US-focused, but can largely be applied anywhere)



