cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/57660342
French Art historian Nathalie Trouveroy shared footage with Le Monde from her personal archives of the Tiananmen Square protests, shedding new light on how the Chinese regime violently repressed the student protests in June 1989.
The linked article contains a video (17 min). Here is an invidious link to this video with the comments being in French.
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The analysis of previously unseen images obtained by “Le Monde” and leading testimonies provide a better understanding of how the Chinese regime gradually shifted to the violent repression of the student demonstrations in the spring of 1989.
Spring 1989, Tiananmen Square. At the heart of the student demonstrations, a young expatriate, Nathalie Trouveroy, films the Beijing protesters, their slogans, their enthusiasm and their fear with her Hi8 video camera. These images, which remained in a family setting for a long time, are unpublished archives obtained by Le Monde.
Her husband, Guy Trouveroy, was then a political adviser at the Belgian Embassy in Beijing. For seven weeks, the couple were privileged witnesses to the regime’s hesitation, torn between dialogue, obstruction and repression of the demonstrators. When the movement turns in favour of democratic measures, the communist government sends tanks against the population. On the night of 3-4 June 1989, the massacre took place. The repression would spread throughout China.
Since then, the Chinese authorities have been trying to erase Tiananmen from the collective memory. But, thirty-eight years later, Nathalie Trouveroy’s never-before-seen video and photo archives have come to light. With these family images, the Trouveroy couple intend to preserve the memory of the victims of the bloody repression of the Tiananmen movement.
Oh god, tankies are going to swarm like ants on this post doing mental gymnastics about how Tianamen didn’t happen, or it wasn’t as bad as it is portrayed to be, or whataboutism!
As an anarcho-communist, I do my best to not engage with full-on tankies.
Onty clicked into this for the somersaults.
For french people passing by, did you know we also had a Tiananmen-like massacre in 1967 in France resulting in more than 100 protesters being killed and their bodies being stolen and disposed by authorities ?
For the non-francophones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Guadeloupe_riots
Also, while legally the island of Guadeloupe is part of France, it is one of the overseas departments and regions (i.e. a colony), in the Caribbean, not part of mainland France. Just to be clear to people who are not familiar with France’s governance who might be misled by “in France”.
The French still protest. They protest really quickly and we should all learn from them.
Horrible, but at least it’s reported by the press without an authoritarian regime repressing it and persecuting journalists.
Evil governments are inevitable. The power of democracy and free speech/free press is that it allows us to easily know about it, fight them, and eventually confine or remove them. As long as we protect these things, we have a chance. Once they’re lost, the fight against evil becomes much harder.
Her footage has literally zero cases of any sort of violence being carried out against protestors.
13:55 shows soldiers next to bodies, covering some with tarps. A bit earlier we see bloodied protestors being carried away to receive medical attention by other protestors.
13:55 shows soldiers next to bodies, covering some with tarps
Can you share the screenshot? All I see is video footage of a laptop screen with an extremely grainy truck. The lady’s verbal testimony is all we have for confirmation. And, this still does not show any violence being carried out against protestors. Just some vague images.
A bit earlier we see bloodied protestors being carried away
That is not her footage.
Yeah, there was so little violence and nothing happened so hard that the Chinese government has spent decades suppressing all information from its citizens.
.ml just shows how fucking deranged you all are.
It’s like the onion: I only see the domain after some incredu-larity has ensued.
Strawman. I’m talking about the video in question. Don’t try to to distract.
Nobody in this thread nor op watched the video, why would they, they already know everything they need to about the incident.
The footage:
YouTube doesn’t work. Can you upload it to PeerTube?
Didn’t expect that
Lmao. No mention of the protestors lynching and burning cops and soldiers beforehand?
Since when do you support the cops?
That would be weird since China claims it simply didn’t happen. Kinda hard to claim self defense and “that didn’t happen” at the same time.
Nonsense. Changing your beliefs is a natural part of tankie ideology. You can’t be cornered in an argument if you say something completely different every comment.
Well I mean literally there was no massacre in tiennimen square. There were clashes in the surrounding area.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
American propaganda would make goebbels blush.
You would know that, wouldn’t you…
Uhh, yeah. It’s pretty easy to spot, as a non-American.
You’re telling me you trust the government that has lied about every military engagement it’s been in since WWII, who’s been run by an elite billionaire pedophile child sex trafficking ring?
Were the goalposts inside the square, or well actually I meant the goalposts near the square?
There’s a material difference between the story most lemmitors insist on, that all the peaceful protesters just wanted freedom, and communists hate freedom so they machine-gunned 20,000+ protesters in the square then ran them over with tanks until there was nothing left and “protesters lynched a bunch of soldiers, took their weapons, and battled cops in the streets. Hundreds of people died in the fighting, over a thousand wounded”.
Their propaganda makes it easier to swallow the “China bad” narrative they’ve been fed their entire lives.
Look it up and get back to me 👌
Based if true
What kind of take is this? Fuck cops and fuck soldiers
Tankies like nonconfrontational have no interest in honesty.
Lol.
incredible. i hope you’re paid well
Wumaos are notoriously underpaid.
Not a big fan of history, I see.
Your made up version of history or reality?
Tell me what you think happened in tiananmen square in 1989.
The Chinese government murdered people who disagreed with them.
Ah-ha, gotcha! Most of the violence did not occur inside the square itself, but outside it, on the streets nearby!
iamverysmart.bmp
I don’t know if you think you’re supporting china, but you’re hurting the Chinese people.
This isn’t a “china bad” thing. I want Chinese people to be able to speak their mind without worry of being murdered, silenced, or jailed.
I like china in general. Let’s try to be better people and not oppress them or come up with alternate realities to not to hurt the feelings of billionaires in charge.
Gotta lick the boot eh red fash.
Explain what you think red fascism is.
