A reminder that as the US continues to threaten countries around the world, fedposting is to be very much avoided (even with qualifiers like “in Minecraft”) and comments containing it will be removed.

Image is a still of an Ansarallah drone heading to blow up Saudi-backed forces in the port of Al-Mokha in southwestern Yemen.


My weekly preamble is in spoiler tags below.

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It’s once again been a relatively slow week, with “only” quite a few oil tankers being struck in the US’s attempt at an oil corridor in Hormuz. I’ve seen several analysts speculate on just how leaky Hormuz might be despite Iran’s attacks, and if it is leaky, then why and to what extent. Now that we’re firmly in August, we have noticeably passed the predicted July ETAs on the physical oil cliff (the paper oil price manipulations notwithstanding), and so analysts are trying to find explanations for the current situation, in which various factors are being considered, of which I’ll list a few I’ve seen personally.

First is, as I said, a potentially leaky Hormuz, because it’s been revealed that in lieu of official corporate insurance, the US is directly paying captains massive sums of money if they’re brave enough to try and run the strait under US air cover - hence why Iran keeps hitting tankers practically daily without them ever seeming to get the message. Obviously, this covert operation by itself would not be enough to even approach pre-war transit levels, and so there must be other factors going on. Second is Red Sea oil redirections predominantly by Saudi Arabia; if this was a big factor, it’s something Ansarallah is now actively combatting with their blockade of the Bab el-Mandab and semi-regular strikes on their pipeline infrastructure. Third is that perhaps world oil reserves are somewhat larger than first considered, especially given China deciding to go on a bit of an oil diet over the last six months, and especially especially if countries really start pumping from one-shot emergency supplies; e.g. there’s been much discussion by Naked Capitalism about just how much the US could extract from the rapidly dwindling SPR if it no longer cared about the irreversible damage to the storage caverns caused by pumping out as much as physically possible. Fourth and finally, perhaps the data on stockpiles was just bad in such as way that they were being consistently underestimated by e.g. 10% or so. Ultimately, regardless of the many complicated factors involved here, the antsy and indecisive behaviour of the US, as well as some anxiety about the midterms, betrays any attempts at American confidence (e.g. by Bessent) about this becoming a stable situation for even the medium term.

We’ve also seen some of the fruits of the serious discussions between Iran and Oman over how exactly Hormuz is going to be governed, with one major and intriguing proposal being that Iran could have total control over what vessels enter (i.e. tolling when entering), and Oman has partial control over what vessels leave, with Iran having a veto there too (i.e. no tolling when exiting, but de jure Iranian military control). Iran has come out and said that regardless of what they agree to with Oman, the US will have to make major concessions - at least on the order of the MoU concessions and perhaps even beyond them - for Hormuz shipping to restart. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkiye have signed some kind of military alliance or agreement of some kind; I’m waiting for some big expert analyses on the many implications before I give any takes here, but it’s already been dealt a rather large embarrassment by Ansarallah seeming to not really a give a shit, continuing strikes on both Saudi pipeline infrastructure and also Saudi-backed mercenaries.

And finally, over in Latin America, the Southern Spear Joint Task Force has given way to a new version which looks likely to increase inland strikes, which is a major escalation from the strikes targeting mainly fishing boats, which were presumably done to a) cause socioeconomic fractures in certain countries (largely Venezuela), and b) further the kayfabe that the US is trying to stop drugs entering the US while obviously covertly further amplifying it through friendly comprador countries. While Latin America struggles to find its way forward out of American regional hegemony due to the rather mixed results of both electoralism and warfare (guerrilla and otherwise), what greatly interests me will be how the region’s domestic capitalists respond to the attempts by the US to wean them off from China’s growing economic sphere. I’ve wondered previously about whether a potential way out of imperium, in lieu of the ability of the region’s working class to take (and, more critically, hold on to) power, will be China, intentionally or not, causing major fractures between the US capitalists seeking a monopoly to loot the continent as much as possible with the absolute minimum domestic development possible to maintain profits, and domestic capitalists who want to trade with an ever-growing China and internally develop their countries for their own self-benefit.


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The Zionist Entity's Genocide of Palestine

If you have evidence of Zionist crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against the temporary Zionist entity. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on the Zionists’ destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

Mirrors of Telegram channels that have been erased by Zionist censorship.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don’t want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it’s just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists’ side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR’s former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR’s forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster’s telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a ‘propaganda tax’, if you don’t believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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    UAE government jets have been coming and going to Tehran for the past 2 days, staying less than an hour each time The jets are likely carrying cargo shipments full of cash and gold.

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    Sailors aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln are experiencing a mental health crisis, with some sailors trying to jump overboard, per The Guardian

    The aircraft carrier has been deployed at sea for more than 250 consecutive days—over 9 months in total—without making land, due to the ongoing war with Iran.

    Families of the 5000 sailors are raising the alarm, saying that conditions aboard are ‘hellish’, with almost daily attacks, dwindling supplies, and limited rations.

    One spouse of a sailor said that her husband had texted her one day saying ‘he hopes he doesn’t wake up tomorrow’. Various suicide attempts have been thwarted, and U.S. CENTCOM commanders warn of an impending mutiny if conditions about the ship don’t change for the better.

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    https://archive.ph/IYfhI

    They Saw it Coming

    How American military planners anticipated failure in Iran

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    In mid-February 2026, before the US military initiated the airstrikes that began Operation “Epic Fury,” the National Intelligence Council (NIC), an agency of the executive branch created to synthesize the analysis of the US’s 18 intelligence agencies, submitted to the president a classified report detailing the prospects of an attack on Iran. This assessment, first reported on in the Washington Post and subsequently confirmed by the Associated Press, painted a grim picture. It concluded that an offensive operation launched by the US military would be unlikely to dismantle the central pillars of the Iranian government. Assassinating Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei could backfire, resulting in the consolidation of Iranian military and political structures and the activation of emergency protocols the Iranians had been preparing for years. Iran’s domestic opposition was unlikely to be able to seize power in such a scenario. A limited air campaign or even a protracted war stood a serious chance of failing to achieve regime change. The NIC report was the final warning in a decades-long, documented history of US military and intelligence planners predicting grim strategic outcomes in a war with Iran. Official analysis anticipated every major failure of a potential conflict, from the brutal arithmetic of interceptor production to the possibility that Iran might close the Strait of Hormuz. In this piece, we’ll trace the public record of this analysis, and show that it was widely dispersed and understood within the American military, intelligence, and political establishments. We’ll rely on primary sources whenever possible, focusing on pre-war assessments, because failure is easy to identify in retrospect. Finally, we’ll attempt to establish the mechanism that caused these warnings to go unheeded.

    An Empty Threat

    First: the casus belli upon which the Trump administration has based its conflict with Iran. For nearly two decades, American intelligence has assessed, repeatedly and in public, that Iran was not actively developing a nuclear weapon. Moreover, American planners consistently rejected the notion that airstrikes could prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon in the long term. In 2007, the NIC began work on a new National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran. This would be the first major test of reforms within the intelligence community made in response to the disastrous intelligence failures in the NIE for Iraq’s WMD program released in 2002. These reforms mandated higher standards for intelligence sourcing, review, and the precision of predictive language. After an initial draft reaffirming the prior intelligence assessments that Iran sought nuclear weapons, the NIC started over based on new analysis. The report it finally published in late 2007 said unambiguously that the Iranians had terminated prior nuclear weapons programs and were not actively seeking the bomb. The 2007 Iran NIE ignited a political firestorm when portions were declassified that December. The Bush administration and hawks like John Bolton openly rejected its conclusions. Bush said that the US intelligence community had overcorrected for the mistakes it made in Iraq. Bolton called it “a sin of either commission or omission.” Nevertheless, the NIC and the key intelligence officials such as DIA director Ronald Burgess and DNI James Clapper defended the report and reaffirmed that position as late as 2012. No public report emerged from the NIC or any intelligence agency to supersede or correct the conclusions in the 2007 NIE.

    Despite this, American military, political, and intelligence leadership continued to explore their options for ensuring the Iranians wouldn’t change their minds. While the Israelis publicly inflated the threat and engaged in saber-rattling, US military officials were consistently skeptical of the value of American military action towards Iran. Amidst increased sanctions pressure on the Iranians in 2010, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen publicly advocated for diplomacy as a superior solution to military action. In 2012, his successor, Martin Dempsey, told journalists that a military campaign would probably only delay an Iranian nuclear program, and that he didn’t want to be “complicit” if the Israelis chose to attack. He predicted that the diplomatic coalition exerting pressure on Iran could be “undone” in the event of a premature military operation. Former CIA Director Leon Panetta concurred with the JCS chairmen in 2011, warning that Iran wasn’t actively building a bomb, and strikes would only set the Iranians back “one or two years at most.” But these statements were in line with the diplomatic and sanctions efforts of the Obama administration, which meant they carried little professional risk. This was not the case with military and intelligence support for the JCPOA during the first Trump administration. The administration faced severe pushback from its advisors and the military-intelligence apparatus during its fight to decertify the agreement. National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster asserted that the Iranians were in compliance with the deal. Defense Secretary James Mattis and JCS Chairman Joseph Dunford both told Congress in 2017 that the deal was in US security interests to maintain, and withdrawal would have “unfortunate ripple effects” on American diplomacy.

    The release of the 2019 Worldwide Threat Assessment (WTA), an annual report produced by the US intelligence community, reprised the political controversy of the 2007 Iran NIE. The assessment concluded, in line with previous intelligence reports, that Iran was not developing a nuclear weapon, even eight months after the unilateral US withdrawal from the JCPOA. This was in direct conflict with the Trump administration’s public statements during that period. The political fallout was intense, with Trump summoning his intelligence chiefs to a meeting in the Oval Office, and the next year’s WTA fully classified to head off additional controversy. This conclusion would carry through all the way to the beginning of the 2026 war. Each annual threat assessment (which would be partially declassified again after 2020) up to 2023 restated the 2019 WTA’s conclusion. In 2024, the ODNI removed the conclusion pending a “reexamination,” but then restored it in 2025 under director Tulsi Gabbard. In 2024, CIA Director William Burns said that the intelligence community had no evidence that Khamenei had reversed his decision to block the development of nuclear weapons, and American intelligence would be able to quickly detect if he had. The historical record here is damning. American intelligence and military officials at the highest level of the power structure consistently warned four successive presidents that Iran was not developing nuclear weapons, that diplomacy was the best path for making sure they wouldn’t, and a military option could at best delay an Iranian nuclear weapons program by a year or two. These warnings helped prevent conflict, but only up until February 2026.

    Attrition Arithmetic

    The core issue with voluntarily entering into a protracted missile attrition war was identified by Reagan advisor Paul Nitze, who led negotiations on the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with the Soviet Union, in the mid-80s. While Nitze was focused on homeland ballistic missile defense in the event of a nuclear war, the core tenet of his argument would also apply to a scenario he never envisioned: non-nuclear conflict with a smaller, regional power heavily armed with deep stocks of conventional ballistic missiles and drones. Nitze said:

    New defensive systems must also be cost effective at the margin – that is they must be cheap enough to add additional defensive capability so that the other side has no incentive to add additional offensive capability to overcome the defense. If this criterion is not met, the defensive systems could encourage a proliferation of countermeasures and additional offensive weapons to overcome deployed defenses instead of a redirection of effort from offense to defense. He later clarified: The defensive system must be able to maintain its effectiveness against the offense at less cost than it would take to develop offensive countermeasures and proliferate the ballistic missiles necessary to overcome it. [This] has valid application to other military systems as well.

    Nitze believed that the American defense sector was theoretically capable of designing, eventually, ballistic missile defense solutions that were “cost-effective at the margin.” He was wrong. His prediction that the failure to create such systems would motivate prospective opponents to mass-produce “offensive capability” was, however, prescient. Due to the extreme cost and complexity of producing the US military’s core air defense systems, and Iranian strategic planning, the US would begin the 2026 war with severe asymmetries in capability with Iran. The premier systems American planners knew they would rely on in an Iranian conflict would be the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) and Standard Missile 3 (SM-3), which cost up to $15 million and $37 million (Block IIA) per interceptor, respectively. The costs of some variants of the SM-3 have more than doubled in the past five years. With Iranian missiles costing around $1-2 million to manufacture on average, the arithmetic is devastating. Both systems have multi-year lead times for order fulfillment. Government Accountability Office reports dating back to 2011 flagged consistent failures to meet production targets for THAAD interceptors.

    cont’d in response, 1/5

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    xcancel.com/stellarman22/status/2086876274979455444

    Iran has Trump so shook and scared right now he has to have a AN/TWQ-1 SHORAD air defense system with a AN/MPQ-64 Sentinel Radar follow him around as he golfs. lmao he is scared to even be outdoors anywhere at this point.

    This change in protection posture has been evident since his trip to Turkey. Seems like the Israelis are putting the fear of God into Trump with by reporting intel to him claiming he is in constant danger and using Iran as an excuse. Masterful manipulation by Israel if true.

    https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2086865846954315776/vid/avc1/1080x1350/Fy4qhX0K31zkfDz1.mp4, Avenger Surface-To-Air Missile System Protected Trump While Golfing

    there were also apparently F-16s scrambling, https://xcancel.com/PopularFront_/status/2086753167824257220

    🇺🇸 #US: President Donald Trump was seen golfing at his Bedminster, New Jersey club with a missile-defense system deployed nearby, as F-16s were scrambled to intercept civilian aircraft that entered the temporary restricted airspace over the area. NORAD said two general-aviation aircraft were intercepted and escorted out of the restricted zone while Trump was attending the LIV Golf tournament.

    force the Americans to waste even more air defense assets with this one weird trick!


    also, this wouldn’t be a problem if trump-drenched just golfed in an underground facility (a “golf city” if you will), but if you build courses underground you don’t get to occupy a bunch of valuable land and dump gajilions of liters of water and pesticides for rich people’s toys, which kind of destroys the point of golf for them cap-think

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    Multiple USS Abraham Lincoln sailors have tried to go overboard amid extended deployment, families say

    Annabelle Loma has spoken with her husband only a few times since he attempted to jump overboard from the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln during his current deployment. Loma, who lives in San Diego, said her husband had been repeatedly overextended before he tried to jump from the carrier.

    In a separate incident aboard Lincoln, a sailor on watch saw a shipmate preparing to go overboard, and he intervened, according to the sailor’s wife, Maria Rodriguez.

    Separately, Stars and Stripes reported Tuesday that sailors described an incident in which watchstanders stopped a crew member from jumping overboard. Stripes reported that the crew was informed about the incident through a shipwide announcement.

    The Navy has said Lincoln’s leadership is continuously assessing sailors’ psychological readiness and that the carrier has access to counselors, chaplains, medical professionals and other support services. The Navy did not provide a precise number of sailors who have attempted to go overboard or engaged in self-harm aboard Lincoln during the current deployment.

    Sounds like winning amerikkka

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    trump-drenched : “We have total control over the Strait of Hormuz. We have total control. We own it. The Iranians tried to assassinate me, so I was transported in a food truck.”

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      “They tried to assassinate me”. Except they didn’t. They didn’t shoot at the plane they thought you were going to be on that you were so sure was going to be attacked you hid in a food truck. Or if they were going to but didn’t then they totally penetrated your Intel since they seemed to know you weren’t on the plane.

      So either:

      shitty probably fake Intel from unknown sources has entered your intelligence community probably from “allies”

      Or

      Iran has penetrated your own close associates so completely they knew the moment you got on the food truck.

      Either way sleep well Donny

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    Venezuela has restored full diplomatic relations with Israel, as a direct result of the U.S.-led regime change against Maduro

    • Middle East Spectator
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    Yemen’s Houthis (Ansarallah) announced that they struck Saudi troop concentrations, weapons depots, and command centers in the Mokha area and at Tadaween camp in Marib with a large-scale barrage of ballistic missiles and drones, leaving dozens killed or wounded, including Saudi personnel. The group says it will continue targeting Saudi military buildups that are intended to escalate the conflict. It also renewed its warning to Yemenis fighting alongside Saudi-backed forces, urging them to withdraw “before it is too late.”

    • Middle East Spectator
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    This Bluesky post was in all caps which made it look extremely silly - so I changed to to all lowercase.

    u.s. forces fired about 50 patriot interceptors in a single day during last month’s iranian attacks on bases in jordan — roughly $200 mln in one day at about $4 mln per interceptor — with iran using course-changing missiles to force heavy expenditure and deplete scarce patriot stocks - NYT

    The article:

    NYT - How Iran Adapted Its Attacks as U.S. War Munitions Dwindled

    The Iranian strikes that killed three U.S. soldiers in Jordan show how quickly Iran’s war-fighting skills have evolved, as the Pentagon runs low on interceptors.

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      Something so satisfying about when they leak some shit about an unequivocal military defeat for the imperial forces and the New York Crimes is forced to report it

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      Me: “this Patriot operator must have a good reason for launching so many interceptors”

      Patriot operator: “I’m da king of explody arrows weee”

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    ICE plans to give officers gloves that can deliver painful electric shocks

    ICE plans to spend up to $20 million to purchase thousands of “conductive distraction and de-escalation devices” for officers and agents by March, according to a notice published Monday by the Department of Homeland Security. The devices are known as the G.L.O.V.E., which stands for Generated Low Output Voltage Emitter, and are manufactured by Compliant Technologies LLC of Lexington, Kentucky. They have been used in recent years by some jails and police departments.

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    Okay so 2 day news cycle posting please excuse me, but what’s the real deal with the “Trump catering truck secret escape” thing? Are we just cheating out on false flags now, not even sending in some MKUltra’d FBI asset guy to pop off a few shots?

    Seems like story was leaked through WaPo and NYT, just obvious limited hangout shit. In the real world, it’s the US assassinating key Iranian officials, not some unclear unconfirmed plot against trump-anguish

    It doesn’t match with Iran’s strategy. You can’t just do that. You can’t just do that in a NATO country, even Turkiye.

    Is it NATO funding stuff? Did some DOGE guy hatch this? Probably nothing really.

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      The Turkiye-Pakistan-KSA alliance was set to include Egypt but they leaked some false info they were fed to test their trustworthiness. Some people were speculating that the alleged plot may have been that intel nugget.

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    Btw, the “Lindsey Graham Bill” that was already passed by the Senate and gives Trump a lot of power to unilaterally impose sanctions on other countries also seems to extend Iran sanctions through 2031. So the SoH can’t open before 2031.

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      Hot take: US wasn’t going to deal anyway. Trump might care about the optics of cheap gas but Congress is ride or die with the zionist entity.

      They don’t care about high gas prices (especially after the midterms) and restricted supplies mean record profits for western oil companies in the meantime as well as more western control and blackmail of countries into deeper subservience to the US over the remaining global supplies which are mostly concentrated in US/NATO or vassalized countries (Venezuela) hands or through neo-colonialist control using western corporations. (This is necessary for building the world bloc to challenge, isolate, and destroy China in the new cold war)

      long rambling

      The Gulf states will build pipelines and alternative export terminals to bypass the strait if needed. Zionists were never going to withdraw from Lebanon anyway short of Iran bombing most of their country into ruins (something Iran would never dare get close to doing because the zionists would themselves nuke Iran far before that, which is another reason why not having nukes when faced off against a deranged, genocidal, fascist settler colony backed by the entire west and with a whole religion in its pocket has its drawbacks). US sat through the OPEC embargo rather than dropping support for the zionist entity in the 70s and cars were a lot less efficient then, there was no work from home via internet, and US production capacity and financial advantage to its corporations and bourgeoisie was much much less than now. Zionist entity’s importance has also only grown as has the amount of blackmail they have on the US (evidence of a cyber “samson” option enabled by zionist intelligence operative run tech companies penetrating western tech ecosystems to the deepest levels with back-doors so they can just turn off the whole economy if US defiance is too great or their existence in peril).

      If anything it will also prompt closer ties to the zionist entity which are desired in the US and the entity via exploitation and development of Palestine’s oil field in the sea there. They may also have the idea that they can keep Ukraine in the fight for years, a decade more (even as a rump state) sending drones deep into Russia to blow up pipelines to China and thus with other sources cut off or under US control already slit China’s throat by cutting off their last source of oil, plunging their manufacturing economy (not a car thing, petro-chemicals thing) into free-fall and forcing them to bend the knee in subservience (ala Plaza Accords) or just isolating them and turning the screws to attempt to get them to crack by immiserating the people of China to turn them against the government

      There’s also the possibility of deep sadism of the US intentionally accelerating oil and gas development everywhere in order to accelerate climate change because it stands to be a prize-fighter gut-punching the global south, China, European rivals, and working people everywhere who are increasingly seen by some elements as a dangerous revolutionary risk and liability with what they believe is a roboticized, automated, AI enabled future with minimal human workers and guaranteed loyalty. Meanwhile US compared to just about any place on earth that isn’t Russia stands to weather climate change really well with livable temperatures through most of it and farmland that will mostly remain productive or viable.

      Iran hasn’t lost but I’m not sure it can win either because it can’t deliver a knock-out blow its opponent cares about. It may be the only deal it can get is a weak compromise from the US that returns to close to the pre-war status quo with maybe fewer bases nearby but sanctions still gnawing at them. So if Iran wants a deal they realistically will have to accept zionist continued invasion and occupation of Lebanon (and the weakening of their only remaining major regional ally in Hezbollah and expansion of the greater pis-rael project), continued sanctions, no restitution from the US, limited and unofficial facts-on-the-ground subject-to-change base closures in the region instead of real withdrawals (and probably a bunch of work building bunkers and hardened structures in those within 6 months of any such deal), and perhaps the US will let them charge some minor toll fee on inbound vessels which are mostly Chinese cargo which Iran will have to exempt anyway and maybe empty tankers for a while which will be valued at some tiny rate compared to a filled tanker.

      If Iran refuses this well get ready for more expensive everything sometime after the mid-terms as costs to move food to stores and from fields to factories go up with increased fuel costs, same with any and all consumer goods including imports from China. Overall devastation for the consumer market but maybe that’s the plan anyway? Since most spending now comes from the top 10-20% of earners it doesn’t matter as much if the proles cannot afford things and by making things expensive, destroying the mass production market you weaken and hurt China and push forward decoupling as people are no longer buying goods from them anyway (industrial supply chain entanglement is a bigger problem but suppose they believe they can fix that anyway and do friend-shoring).

      Or maybe (and I’d like this to be the case) Trump has no plan, US is run by utter fools with no plans and somehow the economic pain of oil price shocks will force a compromise that’s humiliating to the US.

      I think there’s too many headwinds against it and I think Congress is a big impediment because you’ll never convince enough of them to back down until hours before the US military leading a mob arrives at the capital to carry out a revolution. Really the chain to pull here is the zionist one as they can probably scream and plead and squeal loud enough to get the zionist congress-people to actually pass humiliating bills in the name of standing with the entity. But I’m not sure what Iran can do there to really hurt them as US dollar infusions prop them up, they’re protected from international law, and they’re deranged genocidal fascist demons with nukes. So I just don’t see any easy way out. It would be one thing if Trump were a dictator and could just bend the knee all on his own for his own sense of preserving the nation and industry and he hadn’t the attention span to get veiled zionist threats towards him. But he’s not.

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      Hmm, well Graham really wanted to get Iran “done”. If only he were still around to see what he’s getting donedata-laughing

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          Yeah, agreed. I think the bridge is never rebuilt. Huge amounts of money will be poured into private consultants and contractors, but the bridge will literally never be restored under capitalism.

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          The US isn’t capable of much at all. Even the MIC, with all the billions it eats, can’t seem to produce anything new, hell, not even maintain anything anymore. Its all been consumed by the obsession for profits. Fitting that the empire is being consumed by the system it championed for so long.

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            Profit isn’t even the right word anymore. We’re in one of those batman stories where the joker gets himself elected mayor and makes crime legal

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      it’s not as big and it’s hasn’t been rebuilt, it’s been repaired because most of them only had a small collapsed section or holes in them. trust me iranian civil engineering should not be your barometer for efficiency even compared to the US.

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        I think the Crimea bridge is a lot better comparison. They built it from be in just two years or something. That is the time the US would spend just to find out who gets paid to do the over-optimistic renderings of what the finished bridge might one day look like

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          In the US there would be a 5 year long process where a satanic NIMBY committee designs multiple traffic studies to try and prove the bridge isn’t necessary, and the project will be forever 1 vote short of being approved because one committee member wants to hold the city hostage to get a special exemption on permitting requirements for their airbnb. They will sue each other over a 10-year-long litigation process after which the city will pay out a massive settlement because Judge Lan D. Lord thinks that landlords should be able to do whatever they want, the lawyers will pocket millions of dollars in fees, and the project will eventually get cancelled 20 years down the line.