- cross-posted to:
- slop@hexbear.net
- fediverse@lemmy.zip
- cross-posted to:
- slop@hexbear.net
- fediverse@lemmy.zip
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Hey look blocklists that are transparently there and gives easy and obvious options to disable them. If the Tesseract dev didn’t rage quit I would point to this as a good way to implement a default blocklist that you think would benefit most people.
hear hear. Ill admit every time I become a bit trepidatious when I see these posts because I would call myself a free speech absolutist. Which does not mean private things can’t do what they want but just what I like to see in something. Once I read the details though I like it. Rimu always seems to have a good perspective. At least to me. Granted I would like something that is in complete control of the user but I get that instances have responsibilities. I have to say the more I look at it the more I wish federation would have worked on a more user centric way of functioning. So no real federation but a users search would plug into each instances search so that no instance need bear responsibility for content outside of it.
I think a good middle ground would be having a “suggested” block list on account creation, and an option to opt-in to subscribing to that list as the instance admins add/remove from that list. Still gives the admins the ability to block the bad shit, but gives users full power to control that if they’re so inclined. As for doing that for already existing accounts a pop-up notifying the user next time they login would probably work. As a ublock origin user I understand the usefulness of curated block lists, but it still gives you the freedom to not use them and are publicly available.
This is actually what PieFed.zip does. Hexbear.net for sure and I believe Lemmygrad.ml also are blocked for every new user that signs up, then a message sent to their inbox explaining how to unblock or reblock them at will.
Hexbear can be a toxic shithole, so making federation with it be opt-in for new users while still retaining the ability of existing users to continue to access it offers the best of both worlds?
I’ve been seriously considering adding this to PieFed’s onboarding process. Admins could provide a default block list and people could untick them individually just after registering (or in their settings, any time).
That actually sounds REALLY neat imho - people will endlessly debate whether others should be allowed to block them at all (although… c’mon, they KNOW why it is done!?) - but it being opt-in makes a huge difference.
Not that I would ever want to see hexbear unblocked for myself ofc…🤪. But to each their own.
Perhaps most important is the labeling process, to alert people in the first place that the instance is “highly controversial and aggressive about their extremist views” - a wording that likely they would even agree with themselves (even while simultaneously resenting any label being applied at all). Because people new to the Fediverse simply will not know what is obvious and plain to those of us who have been here for at least a few months already, yet we want newcomers to have a good experience here, not ruined by trolls that their admins refuse to keep in check, thereby forcing us to do the task instead. See Paradox of Intolerance.
yeah the real issue is the nature of federation. if an instance allows content from another instance it ends up in its instance. This is why I wish the whole concept had concentrated more on a shared login type thing like saml combined with some sort of api calls to group search so that when a user goes to content it would be on the server serving it. This would make it where there is no legal obligation for an instance to not be part of something and then everything could be left up to the user. I think anyway. Im more a theory guy. I would still like the default blocklist for good user experience but the instance should theoretically not have any concerns if a user does not opt in or out (im fine with opt out as long as its made clear to the user it exists and makes it easy to reverse.)
Keep up the good work! I think in today’s social media landscape, we’d benefit from more platforms which don’t claim neutrality, “free speech” or hide the manipulation behind some intransparent “algorithms”. I think it’s very attractive how PieFed is doing 5 bazillion things simultaneousy and at the same time makes an effort to be anti-fascist. And unapologetically so.
That “Changed my mind” feature (chef’s kiss).
Great article, I love the concise and direct way you explain your features. No over explaining, just exactly what you want to know, with screenshots. Love it.
4chan filter
This part made me curious, are we talking about greentext posts? How do you detect them? And could such a filter be made for Twitter, arguably (possibly) an even larger fascist website?
They do ocr scanning on uploaded images then search for what they think comes from 4chan
I’d rather not go into it because it’s quite easy to bypass if you know how it works. It’s pretty dumb!
For twitter screenshots I think you’d need some kind of machine learning model because those are less distinctive than greentext.
I sense some overlap between ✨ the chart✨ and Eco’s Ur-fascism, I’m guessing that’s intentional?
I made that chart while reading a book (reference in the corner of the image) and I’m sure the author of it was familiar with Eco’s work. He may have even mentioned the term “Ur-fascism” because it sounds familiar to me.
Oh that’s Jason Stanley, yeah he would be very familiar with Eco lol. He’s a professor and scholar of political philosophy, he left the United States and took a position at the University of Toronto.
I love this, not simply because I support the desired end result but because it shows such a deep understanding of the topic rather than latching onto it as a buzzword (ie it doesn’t “impoverish vocabulary”)
These are the measured decisions that convinced me to get pied in the first place
I like the idea for “managing conflict”, but to me it seems that the other measures are more of “fight fire with fire” type of thing. Things don’t have to be so polarizing and polarized.
There is no middle ground with fascism. There really isn’t.
This is awesome. How can I add that block list after being here for a while?
When you find a post linking to an undesirable website, click the 3 dots icon for that post and choose ‘block example.com’ from the menu.
Or at https://feddit.online/user/settings/filters scroll down and click on ‘Domains’ then ‘Add domain’.
Lots to consider in that diagram alone. Indeed, I’m a little surprised that post-WWII, there didn’t seem to be a significant curriculum about recognising the seeds & mechanisms of fascism. Not in the States anyway, and if I understand correctly, in Europe it was moreso the history of recent, significant fascism that was taught, not so much a dive in to its causes and inner workings, which IMO went right back to the terrible propaganda effects of PEZ in the modern era. Pity.
Also if you make a big mistake and the crowd has taught you a hard lesson you can do a public retraction and move on:
Shoot, I could have used that option the other day. Unfortunately (and arguably I did make a key mistake), I got deeply offended by one community’s userbase reaction to a post of mine, and abandoned what had been an ongoing posting project meant to revive a stagnant community, which had otherwise been met with flying colors.
Oof. Well you live, you learn.
I’m a little surprised that post-WWII, there didn’t seem to be a significant curriculum about recognising the seeds & mechanisms of fascism. Not in the States anyway, and if I understand correctly, in Europe it was moreso the history of recent, significant fascism that was taught, not so much a dive in to its causes and inner workings, which IMO went right back to the terrible propaganda effects of PEZ in the modern era. Pity.
The same is true for Brazil and, I suppose, most of Latin America. We are “taught” about European fascism and nazism only as “Italy elected Mussolini and Germany elected Hitler, and that was bad”. Considering that the continent was swept in a series of dictatorships soon after WWII, it’s no surprise.
There is a very good reason the states don’t do a deep dive into fascism as part of education. It is the same reason critical thinking is not taught until college.
Don’t get me started on the American Revolution, pls. 🙃
I can go on a bit about the American Revolution myself. It was just a corrupt business plot to take over the colonies. Once you realize it, everything else falls into place.
Care to expand on this? Never heard it described this way. I know it was a revolution by the gentry not peasants but I don’t think that makes it a business plot.
It was a plot by wealthy people to take over the colonies. The colonists were not rebellious. I discovered this reading primary sources in the form of diaries and journals.
The so called taxes only affected a small percentage of colonist and was far less than what the British would pay in England. Try looking up the sons of liberty. It was a lot of lies and terrorism that started the rebellion.
Care to share these primary sources? You claiming wealthy people seeking to take over colonies as opposed to the middle to upper class rising against the British government is a big claim. Especially since the wealthy in America would have had control over the colonies, they just sought to be represented. Therefore this claim seems nonsensical.
It’s not just taxes it’s no representation. Not everyone could vote. Those that owned land could and wanted representation.
Are you arguing that terrorism against the British empire was a bad thing? You appear to be arguing that the wealth sought to push against the British for control over the colonies, which is essentially the basic American origin story.
Not trying to fight with you, would love to read a primary source that shows otherwise. As opinionated of the current state of affairs as I am, I still believe in the words that my ancestor spoke stating give me liberty or give me death…
Most of them were in my college texts and I don’t care to dig them out.
You are clearly struggling with a lot of propaganda you have been fed. Good luck with that.
And that’s how that works.
a public retraction
Lemmy users wouldn’t have seen it anyway because they don’t have that feature :-/
I read through this but it seems like the ideal is there but I don’t see anything beyond a minor annoyance, settings that are easily turned off. I chuckled at the early example when you said it could be turned off with one click. Seems to defeat your entire purpose.
Not saying I know THE solution nor that your ideal is wrong. This is a great idea that I’ve never considered and I didn’t know about Mastodon.
Arguably the damage caused by Truth Social to the world is greater than the good Mastodon brought to a few of us.
Well that is just nonsense. Truth social has no relevance whatsoever. If it didnt exist, they would just go somewhere else and make things worse there.
Otherwise some good ideas in this post :)
If it didnt exist, they would just go somewhere else and make things worse there.
Yes, but isn’t Mastodon fairly unique in being FOSS, peer-to-peer oriented, well-tested, and built successfully to scale up with large userbases (and presumably remotely connected servers)?
Surely there are enough unique qualities to it that the likelihood of simply grabbing something similar would be pretty low. I’m thinking they probably chose Mastodon for specific reasons, rather than just ‘going anywhere else.’
Truth social has no relevance whatsoever.
Quite a head in the sand Liberal opinion when the US president uses it daily.
Im saying it makes no difference where he posts. Truth social or twitter or reddit or 4chan. Its not like he is getting more reach through truth social than he would through other platforms. If anything its a net improvement that he made his own little island where everyone can just ignore him.
