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I hate that fucking Nazi cunt so much
What is the benefit of closer ties with Russia, though? There a lot of liabilities there and Russia no longer has an infrastructure to even offer cheap natural resources
Either they are trying to appeal to Eastern Germans where the Russian used to be the main ally or they are influenced by a Russian lobby.
It requires a really unique mindset to want to restore ties to the losing party of a war they started themselves.
Like in gaming there’s the insult of calling someone a “win team joiner”, so someone who’s joining the already winning team to get an easy win. This is… the opposite.
Lol, but then it’s a good thing? Like helping out the flailing team to make the gaming experience better? More balanced?
In gaming, sure.
But Nazis/the AfD don’t care about balance or good experience. The leaders only care about enriching themselves. So them still glorifying the losing Russia is just another sign of them being influenced by Putin.
How can this fucking stupid Party be so high in votes… how stupid are we for fucks sake???
They are being misled by an organized and well funded misinformation campaign on all fronts. They’ve successfully done this in a handful of countries so far, including the UK and USA. Unless access to musk’s brainwashing machine is stopped, it will flip all the morons to the right .
Reason can only do so much against relentless propaganda. The propaganda must be dealt with and the vulnerabilities to such propaganda, within individual’s lives, must be redressed
I was at a town hall meeting regarding the opening of refugee shelter in the neighbouhood. Let me tell you how it went.
I went there with two friends, knowing that the owner of the building next to the shelter mobilised in right-wing facebook groups to show up in numbers to show the establishment what the people think.
There was police checking bag for weapons, which was a bit intimidating. When I was inside, the woman next to me told me that last time it was worse, there was security between every row. “If you lose the populations favour I guess thats what you have to do” she said.
On the stage was the SPD mayor, who was admittedly a horrible mayor, he got voted out for some corruption thing some months later.
The only other politician there was an AfD one. He was in the audience, literally on the side “of the people against those up there”, who critically asked uncomfortable questions about murdering refugees.
The building owner stood up and pointed out that an email has been found coming from the mayors secretary to security telling them “to make sure the atmosphere doesnt tilt right”. A groan went through the room. It later turned out that the email was real and in response to the mobilisation in the facebook groups. The mayor risked his neck talking, not really saying anything of substance throughout the whole meeting.
In my corner there was us and some people from the local community center, who sometimes also helped refugees. Towards the end, a person who I’d describe as a Fascho stood up, pointed at us and said “Well it seems like the mayor invited his TAZ-reading fans from antifa as well”. The next day, this was reported like that on Nius.
It was a complete shitshow. And now remember. They do this everywhere. In small towns they stand on the town square during rain with their little tent, just in case someone wants to have a chat.
I say this as a party member of Die Linke. Nobody seems to give a fuck about the disenfranchised except the AfD. For many people, the AfD is the only one that actually talks to and doesnt look down on them. This is not a justification, it scares me. But I can see how people get drawn in like that. What an embarrassment for both the liberal mainstream and the left, who is supposed to cater to the forgotten ones.
To me, I think they have spent years and years coordinating (not just in Germany) with other right-wing parties, tried and tested propaganda mechanics, nailed the language, the target audience, sold the product properly and their target audience responded. The majority of voters who take to this are individuals who often feel disenfranchised by minorities (including immigrants), have limited (if any) tertiary education so they are not critical thinkers, have been led to believe that their current status is because of other forms of government and people not of our liking, and not their lack of education, skillsets etc and so on. This has been used very well in other regions including Africa (Tanzania, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Uganda, Senegal), South America (see Colombia incoming, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Bolivia), Asia (India, Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Thailand) and so on.
Civic education left the building a long time ago and is no longer encouraged.
You’re not wrong, but you’re giving right-wing populists too much credit. Their polling numbers are not just a product of their own efforts, but equally so the result of
- outside interference: Russia is probably one of the most prominent actors in this sector, linked to both interference in U.S. elections (on behalf of Trump), in the Brexit referendum (on behalf of the Leave campaign), in the latest Romanian election, and so many more. But technofascists like Thiel and Musk are equally getting involved, endorsing, hosting and probably bankrolling candidates they see as conducive to giving even more power to oligarchs. Cf. Musk hosting and endorsing Alice Weidel (AfD GER) and Tommy Robinson recently at the London rallye, and Thiel essentially funding JD Vance’s entire political career.
- the abandonment of the working and middle class by the political elites: hear me out, I’m not just parrotting a right-wing talking point here. If you look at the development of both income and wealth inequality in the last few decades, you’ll see that there is some truth to it. Governments from left to right have had a much more open ear to the interests of corporations and billionaires - after all, that’s where all that sweet, sweet campaign money comes from, as well as the career for their lives after politics. Meanwhile, ordinary people have been struggling from crisis to crisis: from dotcom bubble to subprime meltdown, from the Euro crisis into a global pandemic, and from there into two severe energy shocks ('22 and '26). And it turns out that bailing out banks while dishing out austerity, shutting down the country and remaining mostly inactive in the face of rising inequality and inflation isn’t exactly the way to win the trust of the public. That said, the far right posing as an “alternative” to failed mainstream politics is a joke, obviously: as laid out above, they are mostly bankrolled by the very elites that are responsible for people’s struggles. They are here to shift the blame onto marginalised groups and give even the lower classes somebody to look down and vent their anger on. If you look at their agenda, their plan is to open the floodgates even more to the money elites, slash taxes and regulations and funnel government spending towards oligarch-owned monopolies. (The rampant corruption under Trump II bears ample testimony to that.)
So, yes, the far right has been busy in the recent past. But they wouldn’t have come this far if it weren’t for fascists with money supporting them and mainstream politics failing people left and right.
and mainstream politics failing people left and right.
I think this sums it up pretty nicely!
No, it actually doesn’t. In the majority of cases those alleged mainstream and center politics have been right-wing to at best center-right-wing already for decades and they have been bad for as long as most voters can remember. They have not suddenly started abandoning sensible politics or failing people. They are simple continuing the exact same policies of previous decades that fuck over people to make a few rich. It’s not the politics that changed but the amount of people getting fucked for policies benefitting only a very small fraction of people. And the fact that they don’t need to obfuscate their bad politics anymore as bullshit populism is so much easier and more effective as a diversion.
Too many people just cannot accept these points and until they do there will only be a rise. Corruption and condescension by the rich and those who are supposed to represent will bring us all down.
You are right. They have been enabled by fascists. I agree with you on this 100%.
There’s no party regarding the needs of the middle. Lefty parties cherish asylum seekers or people on wellfare, party because they think it will give them votes. Centrist parties cherish companies, employers. Rightwing parties are (claiming to) mind the middle. Its hard to explain families the parental leave gets cut over and over again but the country has open arms for foreigners. Its hard to explain why a family where both work has trouble to find a big enough flat and they barely see their children over the day while those who dont work get a flat for free with all the time they want. AfDs solution was back to traditional values, which isnt good but better than whatever bullshit we have now. There is another party BSW which wants bigger social security but they didnt make the 5% barrier. So basically people flock to whomever promises to help and didnt fuck them over (yet). The “firewall” against AfD doesnt help as they never had to make difficult descisions but can always yell “we would have made it better”. I can understand theit voters.
Leaving all the fascist stuff aside…how would any of the AfD policies help the middle class? You say
centrist parties cherish companies
which is true…but have you had a look at AfD policies? Now that’s what I call “cherish companies”.
They have convinced the poor to blame the even poorer. As long as you have someone to look down to…
Why are you repeating bullshit right-wing talking points here that have nothing to do with reality?
Wow, quite a bit…
The lefty parties want a good life for everyone not just wellfare or immigrants.
If the unemployed are living that well the logical conclusion would be to become unemployed right?
Without the firewall the afd would still blame the other parties till they have the majority…
No I cant understand the voters, history proved time and time again that living in a fascist regime sucks for nearly everyone sooner or later. The C*U and SPD already doubled the amount of immigrants that are getting deported. The amount of immigration is falling for years. The rich are getting richer but sure the problem are the poor…immigrants cost around 7 billions(https://www.bpb.de/themen/migration-integration/zahlen-zu-asyl/265776/asylbedingte-kosten-und-ausgaben/) Bürgergeld is around 50 billions ( https://www.buerger-geld.org/news/buergergeld/buergergeld-rekord-fuer-wen-in-deutschland-was-gezahlt-wird-und-warum-die-kosten-2025-explodieren/) the richest german is worth 47 billions. He nearly doubled his worth in the last five years from 30 billions in 2020 (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_reichsten_Deutschen_(Manager_Magazin))
AfDs solution was back to traditional values, which isnt good but better than whatever bullshit we have now.
Germany tried the far right and in the end the country was bombed to shit and divided. I much rather have Merz gutting the social system, then that bullshit.
But yes, Germany needs to really help the middle class a lot more. Taxes on work are among the highest in the OECD. So cutting that would help a lot. Also the tax for buying real estate. So people buy their homes and not rent all the time. But helping the weakest in society is a case of all boats rise with the tide.
Sure. AfD loves dictatorship, nothing new there, they love hitler too.
No, according to her Hitler was a socialist 🙄
Schrodinger’s Fuhrer: either a socialist/communist or ‘had some good ideas’. The waveform will only be collapsed when the bootlicker finds out the political leanings of who they’re talking to.
It’s always “funny” when you know what happened to the socialist branch of the Nazi party, also that they admitted pretty openly that they lied and used socialist symbols only to attract the working class
The current authoritianship loves Nazis too.
Authoritarianship invites fascism.
Seems like this rhymes with something?
Ribben ick hör dir tropsen.
Ah… the old Divide et Impera. Russians (and americans) don’t want a strong united Europe, so they ofc try to dismantle its forming from the inside… I’d esteem the Kremlin for such a smart move, wouldn’t my skin be in the game.
Traitors. And their voting base keeps cheering this shit on.
Good luck, bitch xD
Russia is getting 🔥 right now by modern day Olga of Kiyv carrier pigeons 😘
Putin is just as old and mentally gone as Trump at this point and his few allies have started to turn their backs on him because they fear Ukrainian carrier pigeons visiting their infrastructure.
But I mean, if you insist jumping on board the titanic post iceberg, be my guest. It will be very entertaining to watch 🍿
If it was just them jumping on the Titanic, no problem. But they want to drag all of Germany with them. :/
Call me a dreamer, but i don’t believe that all of Germany will allow this to happen. I might look like a clown in the near future, but I trust that Germany will do the right thing at the end of the day.
We either do the right thing now or the AFD will have a simple majority to do all the shit they want to with. And considering what a shitshow our current chancellor is, I don’t see him doing anything right (except his political views).
Urgh, I hope things turn out right in the end! It sounds exhausting to be German these days. As one of your close neighbors (Denmark) I have always admired the Germans for the wisdom they have carried from ww2 and how it is reflected in art and politics through the decades. Also your ability to not just rebuild yourselves from a horrific past, but earn your place in the European hierarchy in the modern day. It’s endlessly impressive to me and I don’t really get to say this a lot, so forgive me for my simping xD
I just really appreciate our humorless neighbors and I want the best for all of you. I’ll keep hoping for Germany to do the right thing even though there are forces from the outside, trying to nurture forces from the inside to destabilize Europe. And Germany is such an important country for all of us ❤️
