But couldn’t he have just gone to any restaurant and taken the EpiPen out of their first aid kit?

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    14·
    7 days ago

    Crank is the best action movie of all time. Both movies are so self-aware about how insane the premise is, they have full-on crazy action the whole time and zero seriousness about them, while not coming off as trying to be a comedy. I dunno. I love them so much.

  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    30·
    7 days ago

    No. Restaurants dont have epipens around. Ive worked in them for 20 years. We arent medical professionals and would be legally liable to administer medication. You bring your own epipen.

    • ClathrateG [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      7·
      7 days ago

      True, but EpiPens are expensive so many people who need them either don’t have them or carry expired ones

      They’re are campaign by advocacy groups campaigning for these kind of regs, restaurants having them stocked will lead to deaths being avoided(they should be paid for by the state, but if not it would probably have to be means tested as a place with thin margins probably couldn’t afford to have an in-expiry one stocked at all times), especially if they serve high-risk allergens

      But yes workers shouldn’t be required to administer them(although idk what its like where you are, but when I worked in restaurants years ago at-least one person working had to be first aid trained, I think EpiPen admin could be easily worked into the class schedule after chest-compressions, it’s an IM injection, which are easy to perform and hard to fuck up, homeless addicts which many metal/physically issues are trained to administer Naloxone(a similar injection in that it is also IM) correctly in about 30 mins or less), Obviously the workers should have no lability

      But ultimately yes people with allergies should be cognizant of what they’re eating and take steps to avoid their allergens, and in a perfect world would always have a in-date pen to hand, unfortunately the material conditions of people in places like the US means this isn’t always possible, so until that’s sorted regs that’s provide a redundancy in life-or-death situations are good imo

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        9·
        7 days ago

        I am the only person at my job with first aide training and would be totally comfortable dabbing someone with an epi or noxalone or whatever. Heres a jg thing with either, the person you jabbed WILL come up fighting for their life, you will be swung at with full force because you just blasted someone up with adrenaline, there is significant personal risk you are taking on and frankly I am not paid enough for that. We do have an epipen in the first aide kit but legally only staff can use it. It is a serious health code violation for a restaurant to give customers drugs that arent alcohol and you need a license for that which is pretty strict as well.

        You can’t really give workers at a restaurant the ability to admitted medication with no liability, trained medical professionals are necessary and kitchen workers should never be expected to save lives. That is absurd. I have training and would try my best because I would never let someone die without trying to do something but you can’t have a professional expectation on line cooks to also be able to handle your medical stuff, we make food, we arent fucking doctors

    • ConcreteHalloween [none/use name]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      7·
      7 days ago

      Really? I could have sworn there was some law about restaurants having to have EpiPens on premises. Or at least restaurants that serve common allergens.

      I guess that was some Mandela Effect thing with me.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        8·
        7 days ago

        We have them for staff, but legally we super duper cannot give drugs to customers in any form. That is like…the plsce will be shut down illegal. Epipens are not to be fucked with, ive done one recreationally before. Remembered Shuffle shouted me out on their family guy episode for having done so. I have training but still cant legally do first aide on customers, I totally would anyway but there are many many arrogant people who work in kitchens who are dumb as he and would start imitating movie cpr and insisting theyve saved a life this way before cause theyre on cocaine, you really really cant trust kirchen staff to handle stuff like this.

          • GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            10·
            7 days ago

            Its a pretty great podcast abour how the 2000s was an awful decade. I was an early fan, theyre really good. They did a really in depth multi part series on the iraq war and just started one on thr financial crisis but do pop culture episodes in between

            https://m.youtube.com/@RememberShuffle

            I forget what episode it was but doing epipens recreationally came up on the pod. I commented that I had done it and how it went. In the family guy episode they were talking about developing a fan base but that fan base was fucking weird and I was used as an example.

  • LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    91·
    7 days ago

    if his adrenaline is inhibited wouldn’t more adrenaline just also be inhibited

    wouldn’t he need like… atropine or something, or whatever the equivalent would be that works on epinephrine receptors?

    the google lying machine… with great difficulty on my part in getting it to understand what i meant when I was like “No, is there a drug that would be like atropine, but for the purposes of treating impaired epinephrine receptors”… finally suggested he’d need something like milrinone, which it alleges that it would stop phosphodiesterase from breaking down cAMP, effectively meaning any adrenaline that was affecting him would have its effects amplified

    if that’s wrong don’t blame me I didn’t program the lying machine, but it gets a Lie Plausible from this bio major college drop out