Due to a (now former) admin of the instance anarchist.nexus calling for a member of our team, as well as anyone else they call a zionist, to be murdered, the instance has been defederated.
We’re currently discussing how we will proceed with this situation and whether it will affect lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is mostly run by the same admin team, notably excluding the person who used to be on the anarchist.nexus admin team.
We will share further updates once we have them.
Update 2026-04-22 23:25 UTC: anarchist.nexus federation has been reactivated.
We are still discussing this matter, but there is currently no point in keeping anarchist.nexus defederated while lemmy.dbzer0.com is federated.
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Hey there, Kaplan.
So, this is quite clearly now just a witch hunt by you.
For anyone else who is curious, this is what happened.
A user by the name of Luminous was an admin on Anarchist.nexus. They banned MrKaplan from a community for posting zionist apologia. Luminous also had ‘Kill all Zionists’ as their display name. MrKaplan took this as a personal death threat. Instead of speaking with any other admin from Anarchist.nexus and reporting the behavior, MrKaplan instantly defederated from Anarchist.nexus.
In the next couple of days, Kaplan messaged other users/admins of Lemmy about the defederation and suggested defederation to others as well.
It was then posted about in the Piefed matrix channel. This led to PugJesus, someone who I abhor, actually saying something I agree with.
The conversation moves elsewhere. One bit of input that stands out is this. It will become important in a second.
In basically every situation, Kaplan is told that they’re wrong or overreacting but Kaplan cannot see past the ‘death threat’ to their own mistake.
So, I messaged Kaplan. Conversation goes on and one thing is made clear
Kaplan never spoke with anyone and ran all of this off of an assumption. There was inconsistencies in how the different people felt because they were different people and not one organism. What was individuality instead came off as obliviousness and Kaplan took it personaly. See what I mean by it became important? Kaplan is talking about a ‘lack of moderation’ over something that Kaplan literally never reported or talked to anyone about and instead just made assumptions over.
@Ruud@lemmy.world, this is what you’re backing. You went out of your way to make an instance that wasn’t going to be reddit and you went ahead and re-created Spez, an admin who personally takes out their own feelings on anyone that they don’t like and is trying to control the narrative of the entirety of the fediverse.
Friendly reminder to everyone. Check back a couple of months ago on this community and look at the post about JordanLund. A moderator who was openly lying to the admins in public but the admins took weeks to decide to do literally nothing. But a single user on another instance meant that MrKaplan was able to defederate it all.
This behavior from Kaplan is, quite literally, the reason that I left lemmy.world.
Don’t believe me? Here’s the last message I sent Kaplan during the Jordan garbage.
Funny. Jordan requires a ton of deliberation, reasons in the TOS, and you’re all ‘working on it’ but a single user says something you don’t like so instant defederation?
Edit: Quick note but every other post on this community has been featured. This one isn’t. So you’re making an announcement but you’re not really announcing it. Any response to this, Kaplan?
Edit 2: Kaplan is just blatantly lying. As demonstrated above, Kaplan has literally zero evidence of this claim other than things “feeling odd”.
Edit 3: Serinus joined the thread 15 minutes ago and now a number of my comments are being removed for ‘misinformation’ despite the comment above proving them to be categorically true.
you unilaterally defederated from Anarchist.nexus days ago.
this bears repeating, this announcement comes days after, presumably when they realised that woops i guess we also have users that might care about this?
This is what a managerial outlook, “making tough decisions about the future of this project” looks like.
Question: What alternatives do you recommend compared to Lemmy.world?
Oh there are a bunch of great ones if you wanna stay on Lemmy, and I do recommend staying on Lemmy at the moment. At least until a De-Rimu’d fork of Piefed is available. He’s been having… a time lately and that time seems to involve a lot of misunderstandings at best or outright misinformation at worst. Combine that with weaponizing his platform… eh.
For Lemmy, Dbzer0 is a good one, as proven by the fact that they have handled this with more grace than anyone else at the LW team. Quok.ka (I’m probably fucking up where the period is or missing a letter) is also a solid one with great admins. Blahaj.zone has really protective admins if you’re queer and tired of dealing with bigots. Those admins tend to be a wall that deals with a ton of shit and deserve all the praise for the crap they see to protect others from. I mean all admins do but them especially with the level of bigotry. Lemy.lol just had cm0002 take over so that’ll be a good spot for memes, why I started posting there recently. Lemmy.ca seems to be pretty reasonable.
I do not personally recommend lemmy.ml but I don’t condemn those who use it or the admins. Just personal differences which is how lemmy be. Startrek.website has actively abusive admins and wouldn’t recommend there either. Hexbear is… hexbear.
I’m sure there are others off hand but my brain is currently a soup
Fwiw, this current situation is not remotely comparable to the one with JordanLund.
For one thing, it was Luminous who preemptively banned Mr Kaplan, according to their very own words:
I banned MrKaplan preemptively from !anarchymemes@anarchist.nexus, as I do anyone who displays zionist tendencies. the ban reason was for “zionism, genocide apologia”.
and buried deep in a mod log (see picture shared by Rimu elsewhere in this thread), Luminous called MrKaplan a Zionist and genocide apologist, while simultaneously calling for the actual irl murder of all such people.
You admitted yourself that you don’t have much knowledge about this new issue. So then why speak up about it, as if you had researched this new matter anywhere close to the degree that you had done the previous one? Your statement comes across as bad blood, allowing yourself to be biased due to past issues with the LW team. Which if that causes you to flee that instance and move to another one then so be it, but why muddy the waters here, at least prior to looking into the current issue so that you know what went on?
Luminous started this witch hunt. Luminous on AN called for the murder of people, even - according to other admins of AN:
Luminous had also posted the FHF icon with a swastika on top to YPTB
Luminous drew the ties between Mr. Kaplan, the FHF, Nazis (unless you will try to claim a more ancient origin usage for the swastika icon?), Zionism, genocide apologists, and the actual irl murder of everyone on the FHF team. Luminous is so much worse than 100 JordanLunds, who afaik may have been a PTB but did not call out for the real, actual, irl MURDER of the people that he disagreed with on the internet? And abusing their admin powers to, again in their very own words, preemptively ban others.
Mr Kaplan’s response to this is not preemptive, it is instead… a “response” to the very clear opening volley of shots sent not merely to Mr. Kaplan but to e.g. the entire FHF team, and as your very own screenshot shows, not done in isolation but mentions being done with the support of several (albeit unnamed) others.
If after RESEARCHING this you feel that you want to make another post about the situation in YPTB, I will read it with great interest. But I think you will find that the situation is much less dramatic once you start reading through all the details, and you may even find yourself having to agree with the LW team on this one, or else make a much smaller fuss about a mere procedural point of the timeline here rather than the ultimate end result.
You actually got important details wrong here that no one has corrected you on and so you have continued spreading misinfo everywhere.
Luminous had also posted the FHF icon with a swastika on top to YPTB
Luminous drew the ties between Mr. Kaplan, the FHF, Nazis
This did not happen, that user was from a different instance seen here:
If you read the YPTB post, it mentioned 3 users. One user, luminous, was an AN admin, he banned Kaplan from an anarchy meme community (one he was a mod of, he was not banned from the entire AN instance as shown from Kaplan’s modlog screenshot) for zionism and this was taken as a death threat for some reason because luminous had added the murder zionists to his nick. This alone caused the defederation from AN (again, this was the proof Kaplan showed for why he defederated). While Kaplan could have talked to literally anyone on the team, it was decided to defederate and others were encouraged to defederate over death threats from ‘hostile admins’… that did not happen.
This drama was incredibly dumb, in that it could have been resolved with a chat, and the takeaway is not that anyone should agree with the LW team’s actions (lmao even), but that you should try talking before pushing the button. Luminous stepped down as admin days ago btw but you are only being told now that there was even a defederation and updated with refederation shortly after.
Hey look, OpenStar didn’t respond to this because it proves them wrong.
I think you should probably refresh the page and look at my comment again because it’s full of screenshots that are listing that, yes, I do know what I’m talking about and that what Kaplan did is indeed based off of a feeling. Including using a screenshot from Kaplan themselves.
Luminous did not start this witch hunt because Luminous acted as a moderator and not as an admin. Kaplan was the one who leapfrogged over speaking to any other admin and instantly went straight to defederation. Kaplan never told anyone else. Kaplan did not bring this up as problematic. Kaplan just instantly defederated. Something that, as this thread has been updated to show, they went ahead and undone because there was no justification for continue to defederate when the admin in question is gone.
The situation is, infact, more dramatic than I original made it out to be. I did plenty of research. You’re just sitting on a very old comment because the whole thing about me “not knowing what was going on” was edited out fucking hours ago.
Luminous was an admin at the time. Then, Luminous stepped down from being an admin. Then, as you mentioned, LW re-federated AN once more.
If Luminous had merely been a mod, this could have been handled by blocking, but since they were an admin - at the time - it could only be handled by defederation.
I suppose you are calling MrKaplan a liar since your own screenshot mentions that it was discussed internally and not made solely by one person. It seems his word against yours, with no evidence currently presented either way.
Luminous was an admin at the time. Then, Luminous stepped down from being an admin. Then, as you mentioned, LW re-federated AN once more.
And is still considering defederating with it again as the post states. You do not get to claim full refederation as that is not the situation we are in. You are downplaying the situation.
If Luminous had merely been a mod, this could have been handled by blocking, but since they were an admin - at the time - it could only be handled by defederation.
No. It could have been handled by speaking with the admins of the other instance and saying “This is a problem.” Speech is always an option, especially before taking a nuclear one.
I suppose you are calling MrKaplan a liar
Correct.
It seems his word against yours
No, I literally just presented it in the original comment.
With no evidence currently presented either way
I literally presented evidence in the original comment. A screenshot with a message from Mr. Kaplan stating that they had no evidence for what was going on, only an odd feeling. Here is the screenshot again with the relevant information highlighted.
What is your goal here on mispresenting reality so heavily?
Because apparently I can read what is happening out of your own screenshots, rather than read into them my preconceived biases?
Your very screenshot here begins with “at this point no decision is made on how we continue in terms of federation. this is not something i’m going to decide on my own without sufficient discussion in the team”, and it then immediately in the next paragraph continues with “the original defederation happened…”
These words mean that the topic under discussion in that screenshot is NOT the original defederation, but rather whether AN (&dbzer0) should be re-federated, which ended up happening. So for one thing the context to the part highlighted refers to that newly current discussion, and for another it (i.e. the lack of proof) also refers to the sentence immediately prior to it, about the names targeting people rather than the ideology. In this new context those words take on entirely new meaning, but do not negate every single fact that came before - especially MrKaplan is unlikely to have forgotten the original reason for defederation.
You also shared this screenshot:
I don’t want to edit your image so instead I’ll type out rather than highlight the relevant part, since you don’t want to read it all again:
MrKaplan: “in the end this is however not a decision i will be doing alone, nor was the defederation a decision that wasn’t supported by others, despite their misrepresentation of this being me taking total power to fuck over others.” (emphasis added)
However, I feel the goalposts keep shifting here, b/c to quote my own words:
I suppose you are calling MrKaplan a liar since your own screenshot mentions that it was discussed internally and not made solely by one person. It seems his word against yours, with no evidence currently presented either way.
(again, emphasis added here) To reiterate yet again, I was discussing whether the defederation had happened by MrKaplan entirely alone, vs. him consulting others, and I had indicated the word “evidence” meaning that the decision was made without consulting others. You responded with whether he had evidence to defederate the instance or not - but that is not the same topic.
Well, I suppose the topic can bring forth strong emotions. Though that is precisely what you are accusing MrKaplan of - acting on emotion rather than logic?
Anyway the communication of all of this by the LW team was definitely done exceedingly poorly - we can agree on that much, and the rest will have to wait until another day, as the decision to re-federate was already made. You’ve won: enjoy it:-D.
These words mean that the topic under discussion in that screenshot is NOT the original defederation, but rather whether AN (&dbzer0) should be re-federated, which ended up happening.
No, actually, it wasn’t. The fact that you are trying to claim that you know the context of this conversation that you were not part of is staggering. You do not get to gaslight me, the person who was actually there, on what happened. Nor do you get to re-write the actuality of what occured. That is not what the discussion was actually referring to. It was, indeed, referring to what I originally claimed as I was the one who was there to see it.
“in the end this is however not a decision i will be doing alone, nor was the defederation a decision that wasn’t supported by others, despite their misrepresentation of this being me taking total power to fuck over others
My claim was that Kaplan did not talk to the admins of anarchist.nexus about this defederation and actually escalate this in an adult and mature way. That does nothing to claim otherwise. It was, indeed, a total power move to fuck over others. No one from any other instance was considered. No one was spoken to until after the defederation occured. How do I know? Because I was in the conversation.
I was discussing whether the defederation had happened by MrKaplan entirely alone, vs. him consulting others, and I had indicated the word “evidence” meaning that the decision was made without consulting others.
And you were the one who moved the goalpost there in the first place because my point was that anarchist.nexus was not considered all despite there being other admins on that instance. They were not talked to until after the defederation. See above for proof.
Though that is precisely what you are accusing MrKaplan of - acting on emotion rather than logic?
Correct.
we can agree on that much, and the rest will have to wait until another day, as the decision to re-federate was already made. You’ve won: enjoy it:-D.
I did not ‘win’. No one ‘won’. Kaplan did nothing. They backed down off of defederation temporarily but after they made a catastrophic error while still claiming that they are considering defederation.
Its kind of shocking to me that you start all of this off by saying I should do more research and then try to tell me what happened in my own conversations and not point out the fact that defederation is still on the table. I’m done having this conversation with you.
I am respecting your earlier, now-deleted comment that started off with “This is the last comment I am ever making to you.”, before you made this other comment after that.
the tea is all over yepowertrippinbastards, and i gotta say i agree with the prevailing sentiment. mrkaplan is making a bad move, but its indicative of a pattern of politically based moderation that pervades .world.
but its indicative of a pattern of politically based moderation
No, you know what, keep the typo; it’s correct.
it’s not a typo, but I can see the syntax is unclear
despite pretending neutrality, .world bases it’s moderation on political motivations
edit:
love when they try to poison the well and encourage dog piling. shows they are truly grounded in good faith. /s
Everyone bases their decisions on political motivations, it’s part of being a political species.
sure, but why didn’t the admins just advertise their real politics instead of pretending they aren’t prozionist
despite pretending neutrality, .world bases it’s moderation on political motivations
Do you wanna just get the “muh freeze peach” part over while you’re at it and save us some time? You just say they’ve feigned neutrality but then never back it up because a) you know it’s provably horseshit, and b) it doesn’t matter because you’re trying to separate things into political and apolitical categories that fundamentally do not exist and – as we all know from conservatives pulling this schtick for decades – only hurt the victim by silencing what you determine to be “political” speech and actions.
Yes, it’s political that an instance admin called for another instance’s admin to be killed; yes, it’s political to defederate from them in the sense that everything about social media and group dynamics generally is inherently political; no, I don’t think it being political is a bad thing like you’re pretending to. I’m sure you haven’t raised a squeak whenever an instance would choose to defederate from a hateful, far-right cesspit; the reality is that the person feigning care about neutrality here is you.
Edit: Oh, they moderate a Jill Stein community. Their unhinged behavior below makes way more sense now.
wow, this screed doesn’t at all debunk the accusation of overt pro-zionist moderation
edit:
jill stein is anti Zionist, too
Dropped that whole “political” thing like a rock, didn’t you? You never said anything about “pro-Zionist moderation”; your only two comments that I replied to were whinging about “politically based” and “political motivations”, and now you’re pivoting with no acknowledgement, because you’re fundamentally arguing in bad faith.
If your problem is their specific politics, you can be upfront about that, but you deliberately chose not to, and you’ve proven discussion with you is not worth anyone’s time because of it.
you’ve proven discussion with you is not worth anyone’s time
From what I saw, the ‘call to murder’ was someone having kill all zionists in their username, and that only makes sense as a real call to violence if we’re supposed to take everyone’s username seriously and literally. That would be a very weird world to be in, as then we’d have to accept that we’re reading posts written by Star Trek characters come to life, inanimate objects, and various bodily fluids. Without evidence of something worth taking more seriously, at best this looks like the admin team doing something silly, and obviously certain groups of Lemmy users will interpret it less charitably and as the LW admin team being pro-genocide. Neither is a good look.
Surprise surprise Lemmy isn’t entirely different from Reddit in that:
- It kills a community over the name of one user (yes I’m aware it was an admin)
- Said admin had beef with this user, which they conveniently left out in their post description
- It’s got shameless hypocrisy too where calls to death from zionism is acceptable but not the other way around
For the record, I am not for calling anyone’s death as that’s not my thing, but have some consistency hypocrites. Smh.
My handle is serious. Deadly serious.
Same dude.
I think speech on the issue of killing zionists is more serious than Star Trek and cum farts, because there’s a war actively going on. And killing Zionist civilians during a war is starting to sound pretty war-crimey. We should only be killing Zionist soldiers.
If someone said “Murder all Martians. Rimu is a martian.” and then we spend hours debating whether it’s ok to kill martians or not then that would be a waste of time. Because I am not a martian. Obviously there are situations where murdering Martians can be justified - the problem is someone calling for me to be killed based on made-up bullshit. Let’s talk about that.
I don’t agree. I don’t think people should have usernames of the form “kill all [certain type of people]”.
If someone condemns Israel’s actions against Palestinians then okay. But I don’t think it’s right to call for the deaths of people you disagree with. Even the worst criminals should arguably not be killed with the death penalty, but instead imprisoned for life.
During an active military conflict, killing isn’t applying the death penalty just for disagreeing with someone, it’s typically the only remotely viable way to stop them committing whatever act they’re in the middle of. When that act is genocide, killing them is almost universally the only moral action as anything else, even if it still stopped them, would take longer and in doing so let more genocide happen.
If they’ve been stopped by other means, e.g. economic sanctions make genocide too expensive to continue, then many genocidal acts carry the death penalty under international law. That’s ethically dubious, but it’s far from the biggest problem with anti-genocide law given that it’s blatently not actually preventing genocide. If the username were just apply international law to zionists, then it’d still be promoting killing people.
It’s also misleading to reduce zionists to certain type of people, as it conjoures up ideas based on inherent identity that are obviously bad to persecute before more directly comparable types of people like murder enthusiasts actively committing murders and refusing to stop despite pressure to. No reasonable person would say armed police were unjustified in shooting someone who was stabbing someone else after they’d been already told to drop their weapon. Not all zionists are actively killing people, but they are all calling for it to be allowed to continue, otherwise they inherently wouldn’t be zionists.
Surely it isn’t necessarily true that every single zionist supports bombing Gaza. “Zionist” apparently means:
Surely some people within that definition support the existence of Palestine alongside Israel, and they oppose any harm done to Palestinian civilians. For example there is an Israeli charity, B’Tselem, which apparently supports Palestinian rights, although I don’t know much about them.
Supporting the state of Israel, at a time when it is actively committing a genocide, is supporting the genocide. Genocide should be a red line that forces people to stop supporting its perpetrators, and anyone who doesn’t withdraw support once a genocide starts must be, on some level, okay with it.
Existing within a state doesn’t automatically imply support for it. Most people have at least something they want their state to stop doing, and that can and does include existing. It’s hard to say that a charity issuing statements that Israel is an “apartheid regime”, “no longer a democracy” and “committing genocide” supports the state of Israel.
There are also plenty of people who, if asked, would say they support the state of Israel, but wouldn’t support genocide, and not see that as contradictory because they’re under the impression that Israel isn’t committing a genocide. What they’re supporting isn’t the state of Israel, it’s a hypothetical alternative state of Israel that doesn’t exist. If (pretending for a moment that the USS Enterprise wasn’t decommissioned in 2017 and was currently in the Strait of Hormuz) someone who mistakenly believed the United Federation of Planets was real expressed support after hearing in the news that the USS Enterprise had fired on other ships, it’d be most reasonable to just ignore them rather than assuming their opinion of their imaginary state was relevant to what their opinion of the real United States would be.
There are probably people who support the existence of Israel without supporting what Bibi and his government have done. Opposition politicians in Israel, for example.
Surely in any country there will be people (such as opposition politicians and activists) who oppose the current government’s actions, without wanting the state itself to be dissolved. Even in very authoritarian countries like North Korea there might be such people, although of course they would have to keep their views private, due to near-certain persecution otherwise.
a lot of lemmings like to dog whistle by saying they would not shed a tear if all zionists or anyone not protesting against them were killed
because they are cowards
It’s only ok when Zionists murder other people, not the other way round.
I’m sure you have references to us allowing people calling for others to be murdered to support your argument.
We don’t support any murder, neither murder of zionists nor murder of anyone else.
Are sure you want people to start pulling that thread?
It’s been happily acceptable as long as not directed towards the wrong people.
please go ahead and provide references
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/32806014
https://lemmy.world/post/36621226
https://lemmy.world/post/35918814
https://lemmy.world/post/12468746/7942028
https://lemmy.world/post/41560809/21534428
https://lemmy.world/post/14235015/9346725
https://lemmy.world/post/6550602/4346950
https://lemmy.world/post/26565059/15562842
https://lemmy.world/post/43799556/22449214
https://lemmy.world/post/41560809/21534428
https://lemmy.world/post/6550602/4346950
https://lemmy.world/post/41307441/21430091 Calling for wars on other countries
https://lemmy.world/comment/19773128 - you literally claiming to not know about “from river to the sea”
https://lemmy.world/post/18857058
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48096338
Making light of Israel pager terrorist attacks and implying more need do be killed https://lemmy.world/post/19923025/12436044
Calling Russians orcs and describing how to kill them https://lemmy.world/post/26007806/15299902
Oh and another zionist mod doing questionable things in defense of Israel: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49553295
Holy irrelevant nothing burgers, Batman!
You sure you want people giving you proof, since you won’t accept it anyway?
if you’re not going to provide any references just say so instead of beating around the bush
Having issues with a genocidal state is one thing, calling for a specific person to be murdered is another.
Can you post the comment where they called for a specific person to be murdered? A link would be great, but even a copy/paste would do well.
Okay, but was the person accused a Zionist? If so, why not eject/defederate/ultimatum them instead?
I’d prefer a federation of rabid anti-Zionists than one of Zionists. It’s the Nazi bar analogy, because EVERYONE should be against Genocide.
Yes notoriously so.
So long as they’re also anti-Russian imperialism in Ukraine (genocide) and anti-Chinese imperialism in Taiwan (also would be genocide).
I notice many of these tankies suddenly have much to say defending these countries with atrocious records and blood on their hands as well.
Edit: Case in point. If there’s one Xi/Putin supporter at a table…
What about anti-Taiwan imperialism in China? Because Taiwan claims all of China and the 7 dotted line.
Ukraine supports Zionism because that is an easy to to get support from America.
You cannot be against Zionism and support Ukraine at the same time.
You cannot be against Zionism and support Ukraine at the same time.
fucking watch me.
🇵🇸🇺🇦🇹🇼
what’s the third one?ahh taiwan. yeah!
What about anti-Taiwan imperialism in China? Because Taiwan claims all of China and the 7 dotted line.
Taiwan has to maintain these heritage claims because repudiating them would effectively be de facto repudiating the ‘one-china’ agreement and equivalent to declaring independence, which China would take as a casus belli. It’s a farce. No-one, Taiwan included, genuinely believes that they can get any of that land, nor that it would be desirable to pursue it.
You cannot be against Zionism and support Ukraine at the same time.
This is silly. So you assume every single person who supports Ukraine defending themselves against Russia is automatically pro-Israel?
Taiwan doesn’t have the military power to take over mainland China, but they certainly want to.
The difference between a peaceful person and a harmless person is a peaceful person has the strength to cause harm but chooses not to, but a harmless person doesn’t have the strength to cause harm, even if they wanted to.
Taiwan wants to cause harm, but isn’t capable of it. That doesn’t mean they’re any less imperialist than China. Don’t forget they fought the communist party with everything they had and would do it again if they could.
You cannot support a Zionist and not be a Zionist yourself.
Taiwan doesn’t have the military power to take over mainland China, but they certainly want to.
Based on what do you claim this?
You cannot support a Zionist and not be a Zionist yourself.
Supporting Ukraine defending themselves against Russia has nothing to do with Israel.
lol and there it is.
If there’s one Xi/Putin supporter at a table…
If there’s one Zionist at a table…
we are not zionists. if you call for zionists to be murdered and then call us zionists that is a call to murder us, despite a lot of people claiming that it’s “just a harmless political slogan”. this is normalization of mass murder. we do not tolerate genocide or other murders either, which is also an accusation that a lot of people are throwing around here. accusations of zionism, mostly from dbzer0/AN users, are constantly thrown around against people that they don’t deem to be radical enough.
I’m sorry Kap, but you are 100% a zionist and you don’t get to argue that. You simply don’t get to claim you aren’t one when your actions speak otherwise.
When it comes to the whole ‘murder all zionists thing’, this just kind of proves the point that you are a zionist in the first place. No one who isn’t a zionist would fly off the handle into such a petty rage like you have. There’s also the fact that you’re silencing voices, refusing to allow people to speak, and using collective punishment on the entirety of dbzero and anarchist nexus due to the actions of a single fucking individual.
Yeah. You’re a zionist Kap.
When it comes to the whole ‘murder all zionists thing’, this just kind of proves the point that you are a zionist in the first place.
No it doesn’t. Luminous outright called Mr. Kaplan a Zionist, and drew a Swastika onto the logo of the FHF. I responded elsewhere in more detail but wanted to isolate this point here: you seem to assume that Mr Kaplan felt called out due to a guilty conscience or whatever, but that is not what the facts of the matter show in this situation. Luminous very clearly called for the actual irl murder of everyone in the FHF.
And then, in their own words, preemptively banned MrKaplan.
There’s also the fact that you’re silencing voices, refusing to allow people to speak
Setting aside for the moment how Luminous abused their admin powers to do precisely that, and also btw did it first (Mr Kaplan’s actions were taken in response to those of Luminous), yes that is exactly correct: the very many many many calls for outright, actual, irl murder coming from AN are now silenced, not visible to the users of LW.
Anyone who wants to can still read them ofc, but LW provides that moderation service to anyone who would like to remain on LW and receive it.
Not all of us are spoiling for a fight 100% of the time, and sometimes people just want to browse some memes once in awhile, ya’know? Without having to wade through calls for murder I mean. The rights of everyone on AN are nowhere being curtailed, i.e. they still retain full rights to speak as freely as they wish, but LW is done platforming such from them, echoing and amplifying and storing those messages on their machines the same as all of the other content on the Threadiverse. Like hexbear, AN got too problematic to have to try to figure out which communities were safer for consumption vs. which were too problematic, so since the numerous calls for violence were not being toned down and even being led by their admin team, the entire instance was defederated from. That’s not a witch hunt, that’s a response to very clear extremist rhetoric. LW users should not be forced into having to read MAGA-like language, even the leftist version that is supposedly on the “other side” (yet seems to behave so identically to it that I can barely tell a difference anymore).
Luminous acted as a user/moderator. Kaplan acted as an admin.
You are not taking any of this into account. I’m not wasting my time with this because, I too, elborated on this elsewhere.
You have a user in this exact topic defending israeli genocidal actions that minimize the nekba claiming most palestinians left with no pressure. I reported multiple of his comments. You did not remove a single one of his comments. In fsct, besides one or two lemmy.world community, zionist posts never get removed. You may not be a zionist but you surely tolerate it
You are a Zionist.
Lmao they permabanned me for this, and then days later unbanned me. I didn’t ask to be unbanned. This is what regret looks like.
Does Israel have a right to exist?
In an ideal world where this could happen in a peaceful way? I wouldn’t see an issue with that.
In our current world where it seems that the only way for it to exist is one involving mass murder? Absolutely not.
Ok so you don’t think israel has a right to exist and it’s existance requires mass murder, that’s good to hear!
Do you think that this state should be dismantled then (through force since that’s what’s apparently necessary) to be replaced with a free palestine “from the river to the sea”?
Is there an instance policy that affects dot world?
Or is it just a personal issue against one person?
I would argue that you should just ban THAT PERSON from your instance. Trying to hurt a whole instance and the whole federation concept over one person being rude on internet feels unreasonable.
People said “doesn’t matter which instance you land on when you sign in”, trying to lure people into the fediverse simplifying the sign in process. But with these kinds of behaviors is a BIG ISSUE which instance do you choose, making you create multiple accounts on a fragmented fediverse, for things that have nothing to do with you.
How many migrations could normal people who just want to have a social media place to have fun endure? One? Two? Three? After that I would guess many people would give up and just move away from the fediverse because they just have to keep making different accounts to interact with the whole place.
It is a personal issue against that one person. That one person is no longer an admin of anarchist.nexus and isn’t an admin of dbzer0. Thus why this is, undeniably, a personal vendetta and quest by Kaplan.
There is a lot to unpack here, but first and foremost, your statement contains numerous inaccuracies - e.g. it’s not merely one user it is an admin - but also I notice it contains numerous instances of inflammatory language, e.g. “Trying to hurt a whole instance and the whole federation concept”. AN can feel absolutely free to do whatever it pleases, so why shouldn’t LW have the same rights, to block calls for literal and actual irl murder levied in their direction? Also, this is hardly the first time that one instance has defederated from another instance - this tiny blip won’t even be noticed by the vast majority of people on LW.
But if you do want to talk about “hurting” someone, I find myself hard pressed to think about a worse fate than to be literally and actually irl murdered, genocided by someone who feels no remorse at all about killing off your entire family, just so that you will suffer?
And you are not even on LW, nor AN - this will not impact you personally in the slightest?
doesn’t matter which instance you land on when you sign in
Please stop spreading this. Whoever said this was incorrect. As you yourself claim, it matters a great deal to pick an instance. So pick one that aligns with your values, so that the moderation practices are those that you can live with. Otherwise, pick a different instance - such as lemmy.dbzer0.com - that you may prefer better. Also, people did not migrate away from Lemm.ee due to its restrictive moderation practices - so if you were claiming this then that would be disinformation. Although it is a strong argument that its LENIENT moderation practices were what led to its downfall, where zero admins across the entirety of all the billions of people on planet Earth could be found that were willing to put up with all the crap spewn in their direction. But this stance only weakens your own argument further, claiming that now LW should do the same as lemm.ee, and thereby end up with the same result?
If you want to do whatever you want, then start your own instance. The LW admins did precisely that, and they do not appreciate having calls for their murder put out by AN. It is their right to defederate from them if they please.
Also, we are still here. Anyone at any time may go to Reddit or X or Bluesky if they prefer, but we will remain. That is our choice. Speaking of choices, where is your acknowledgement of the other side of this - you are chiding the LW admin team, but why not (also?) chide those of AN, who routinely call for murder of people in Western civilizations? If anyone is “fragmenting the Threadiverse”, don’t you think that calls for actual, physical irl murder might be at least partway a cause for such a fragmentation effect? The LW team did not take this action lightly nor did it come out of nowhere - AN was the one that started this? And now LW has to determine its own response in turn.
Honestly a great move from the .world admins to prevent themselves from becoming too big, and I applaud their effort to piss everyone off and make them leave for more community oriented instances lmao
Ya, Kaplan needs to be removed from his admin/mod duties ASAP. He sees lemmy.world has his personal and private property and thinks he can do whatever he wishes. That is not what a community is about.
He is the typical reddit mod that we all hate. That is one of the reasons why we are on lemmy rather than on reddit. And yet, we are letting it happen here again? Fuck no. We need to be on the look out and stop such things as soon as possible, before they become too big to deal with.
So wait you’re just defeterating an entire instance just because the arch Zionist of this instance is having a bitch fit? I’d rather just get rid of him. Can we do that instead?
Just delete your Lemmy.world account and switch to another server.
Yeah but my way punishes the fascist loving asshole so… seems better.
Also why shouldn’t the .world users get to have a voice? Go through this thread they don’t like this Zionist piece of shit. Overwhelmingly so. So fuck him and fuck the little toads that defend him.
But it’s unlikely that the admin team is gonna do anything
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Lemmy.world not beating the allegations of harboring Zionists
Because they never remove Zionist advocates
Zionism is bad tho
Zionism is bad, Ethnonationalism is bad, Murder is bad, War crimes are bad, Genocide is bad, Racism is bad
Many of the people involved in this conversation are toxic assholes who need to touch grass.
Only reasonable take in this entire thread.
Viewpoint from the other side of the discussion:
preemptive banning
Zoned out here. Sounds like digging for a pretense for a retaliatory ban and that escalated. From the 2 minutes of attention I gave this it sounds like everyone involved needs to touch grass.
yeah but they let their personal drama affect federation which makes it everybodys problem. It’s very hard to not see this as lemmy.flatworld trying to throw their weight around to bully smaller instances.
I hope that db0 doesn’t get defederated.
I would hope we can all remember that we can be pro-Palestine, anti-genocide without being anti-semitic, you can be anti-Hamas without being pro-genocide, you can believe in a state for the Jewish people and also be against the current government of Israel.
We are all on the fediverse for similar reasons, we’ll be a lot more successful trying to see the nuance in people’s views instead making enemies of each other out of righteous indignation. This goes for everyone
I would hope we can all remember that we can be pro-Palestine, anti-genocide without being anti-semitic, you can be anti-Hamas without being pro-genocide, you can believe in a state for the Jewish people and also be against the current government of Israel.
You describe the political stance of feddit.org and we were defed for our stance by db0 and anarchie.nexus.
somebody link this g*rman the thread below they banned me because they are zionists.
Stop. Your nuance doesn’t work with the right-wing astroturfers engaging in gaslighting here lol.
Right-wingers famously pay people to agitate for land back movements?
No you actually can’t be anti-“the only group resisting genocide” while also being anti-genocide. This is like being against apartheid in south africa and telling the ANC to disarm.
You can’t believe in an ethnostate settled on other peoples land and be against the government doing settlerism.
These positions are contradictory. Either you want the jewish supremacist ethnostate to settle palestine, you don’t or you have no opinion. But you can’t have an “israel” without jewish supremacism, that’s why it’s called “israel”. It comes from judaism, it’s about a land just for jews. You either support the palestinians right to return, or you support “israel”. Because you can’t have one without the other. This is not a policy thing. This is baked into the very foundation of this so-called country.
FWIW, Hamas is not the only resistance group in Palestine, just the most prominent in Gaza. There are other secular/socialist resistance groups in Palestine who aren’t trying to establish an Islamic theocracy that are probably more deserving of support.
I’m aware and most support hamas, like e.g. the popular front for the liberation of Palestine
Like Lenin, I suppose I find it hard to accept a congruence between bourgeoise religious zealotry and the imperative for socialist egalitarianism.
That image, if it’s even to be interpreted as authentic, doesn’t indicate anything more than the united front of the communists and nationalists during the Japanese occupation of China. An alliance of convenience that postpones the inevitable reckoning of incompatible ideology.
Ok but if my palestinian comrades say they are the ones to support then who am I to hem and haw about ideological differences? Also comparing Hamas to KMT is rather distasteful since Hamas is a popular (as in from the populous, though they are also well-liked) movement concerned for the well being of the people it represents, whereas the KMT was feared for their indiscriminate massacres of the people.
And I don’t think Lenin’s thoughts apply, the russian church was more than complicit, it was an important tool in the imperial oppression of the russian working class. Hamas is not a bourgeois party, there is no gazan bourgeoisie, the religious zealotry comes from the occupying jews. It’s their institutions that need to be resisted foremost.
Islam in palestine has not been allowed to develop into a dominating religion, it’s not the superstructure, rather it’s how the oppressed indigenous people come together, share their struggle, protest the suffering, like it was in Iran under the shah and SAVAK. A much more appropriate look is from marx
The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. …
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm
but how can there be a demand for happiness while the jewish occupation exists? It needs to be abolished first.
I hope and pray (since that hasn’t been made illegal here yet) for a Hamas victory and establishment of a palestinian state, where people do not have to suffer under military siege, wherein the communist struggle can bloom.
I agree with you that you can’t support the current Netanyahu government and IDF and be anti-genocide.
Hamas abducted and kills innocent people. That’s a fact. I can be anti-genocide and anti-attacks on civilians without contradicting myself.
A two-state solution is messy and complicated but it’s what the world needs. Arabs and Jews both have claims to the land throughout history. The Jews were displaced from it due to horrific antisemitism throughout history. One horrific act doesn’t deserve another. The west (and specifically the USA) needs to withhold its support, Israel can do what it’s doing specifically because it’s emboldened by western support. It’s surrounded by Arab nations that hates its people, it could be the ones being oppressed if not for the west and the west remind of that.
Yeah it’s intriguing to me that there are those here who have a curious propensity to turning a blind eye to the legitimate war crimes of Hamas, Ayatollah, IRGC (and leaving aside their own domestic murder of citizens), Russia, and China. There seems to be a pattern here…
That’s not me saying I condone the disproportionate acts of Netanyahu’s far-right extremist regime either and I hope he faces charges for his war crimes.
This is the “don’t let perfect be the enemy good” crowd when it comes to resisting genocide. Youre ok with the dems supporting genocide, murder of hundreds of thousands, and tell people to support them, but when the only armed resistance of a desperate people lashes out in their desperation you condemn them immediately and would likely prefer them disarmed despite the consequences for this.
I hope you’ve never used tahini or purchased store-bought hummus before, lest you too likely supported genocide!!
By all means, I hope you’re voting in your state’s Democratic primary or better, nominating yourself as an independent candidate from AIPAC! That is of course if you’re even American… ?
Lmfao do you think either is a pissrahelli invention??? Of course I check where my groceries come from 😂 that is such a basic action
I hope you’re voting in your state’s Democratic primary or better, nominating yourself as an independent candidate from AIPAC! That is of course if you’re even American… ?
Do you know how Primaries work?
The Jews were displaced from it due to horrific antisemitism throughout history.
No, Pissrael started as an explicitly colonial project. Very explicit, see e.g. the Jewish Colonial Trust. That’s why Theodor Herzl contemplated writing[1] to Cecil Rhodes (of Rhodesia infamy). That’s why there is a lost generation of “Mizrahi” Jews, why they sterilised ethiopian jews without their knowledge or consent. Zionism has always been a rich white jew first ideology. And they absolutely hate arabs and muslims. Please have a read through https://www.palestineremembered.com/ its a treasure trove.
