• Scotty@scribe.disroot.org
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    This post and particularly the ml comnents are again the worst propaganda: low quality, sowing division, inciting anger - it’s the propagandists’ recipe to destroy a community.

    The Raoul Wallenberg Centre For Human Rights welcomes Canada’s recent announcement of additional sanctions against the Iranian regime

    The announced sanctions target individuals and entities with ties to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp’s weapons production and transfers of arms and technology to malign actors, including to Russia for use in its war against Ukraine.

    Canada must now address the Islamic Republic of Iran’s escalating domestic repression and flagrant human rights abuses.

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    What some people mentioned really makes the point: Sanctioning Iran makes sense, but if we’re truly doing it to be good people then there should be sanctions on Israel and Saudi Arabia and other places as well. It’s not Iran being the target that’s the problem, it’s all the people that aren’t targets. The US is literally a violent neighbour who has expressly stated that they want to hurt us and who is doing so many blatantly evil things to not only its own citizens and immigrants but even to our people who are there and Carney’s on his knees for them.

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    19 hours ago

    Just because the US launched one of the stupidest and least planned wars in a century, does not make the Iranian government good.

    Just two months ago they were killing thousands of protestors.

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      The saudi regime is as bad we don’t have any sanction on them. Israel is doing the worst crime in humanity a fucking genocide we don’t have sanctions on the state itself. Any kind of sanctions in the war makes it harder for iran to defend itself for being genocided too. So please stop with your hypocrisy

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        The Saudi regime is our problematic ally. Iran is Russia’s. Except Russia doesn’t care whatsoever what Iran does to their own people.

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          Canada do not care either whatsoever what Iran does to their people and neither that Israel do the whole region. Israel is calling Iranians amalek like they did with IGazans meaning they want to genocide Iranians. That would be millions of dead Iranians not just thousands . The us/israel already bombed dozens of schools, hospitals and cultural sites

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      Just two months ago they were killing thousands of protestors.

      If they killed thousands in a few days, how many were killed during 4 weeks of US bombing?

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      And just because the Iranian government is an ass doesn’t give America the right to bomb them. Or why don’t they go after every other country whose government does bad things. Sorry in this case the US is the “bad guy”.

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      Iran was being sanctioned before the attack too. A lot of people act like any enemy of Trump is their ally, but this is not so.

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        With the express and publicly stated purpose to bring so much physical economic pain to the people so that they revolt against the gov’t.

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          The alternative is to trade with the totalitarian regime, which serves to keep them in power. If you could support the people but not the regime then of course that would be the best course of action, but that is not how it works.

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            We are trading wit an tolitarian regime called saudi arabia. It is not of canada goddamn business to force iraninas to take out their own regime. It ia not like Iran want to attack Canada.

            We all know all the sanctions are there simply because Iran was made an enemy of the usa and israel

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            I presume you care about the nature of the Iranian gov’t because of its impact on the Iranian people. If that’s the case, you should check how sanctions are affecting the people of Iran and in general what outcomes regime-change sanctions have produced around the world. Cause it may turn out that the sanctions hurt the people you care about a lot more and for a lot longer than the gov’t you’d like to see gone.

            Also check under what conditions better governments emerge out of worse ones. Hint: it tends not to be under severe sanctions.

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        Nobody is claiming that. This is just an idiotic straw man. You don’t have to support the government in Iran to understand that invading countries is wrong. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

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          I did not claim that starting a war on Iran was OK. I said that sanctioning them is OK. Sanctions on Iran should not stop just because of Trump’s idiotic war.

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              If open trade with, and therefore support of, a totalitarian theocratic regime that just killed tens of thousands of protestors is what you support, you’re just as sick.

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                The ten thousands of protesters numbers comes from iranint backed by saudi arabia. Not to say that the regime did not intentionally killed protesters. All the usa is responsible of millions of death and iarael is doing a genocide

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          Why? Borders are imaginary.

          Marx knew that.

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              Mmm, I recognise you. Pretty sure you are.

              But sure: Borders are imaginary. True, yes? Then why does crossing them change whether an action is right or wrong.

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              Am I wrong? You definitely can’t see or touch them.

              The USSR also initiated a few invasions.

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                Not only are you wrong, but you’re also exposing yourself as not having any capacity for critical thought. If you bothered actually reading Marx, then you’d know that he never argued for abolishing the state under current conditions. You’re like a chat bot quoting things without any context. Also, nice whataboutism there kiddo.

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                  Yeah, he was expecting there’d eventually be a global revolution… that would disregard borders.

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      19 hours ago

      People ruled by pedophile oligarchs don’t get to decide which governments are ‘good’ and invade countries based on that.

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        Ok but who is being ruled by pedophile oligarchs? This is a Canadian sub. What is your point here, that we sanctioned Iran? While maybe we don’t all wish that there’s bombs falling on people’s heads, at the same time the regime in Iran are far from sweethearts…

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          So when is Canada invading America? If not being sweethearts is the requirement.

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          18 hours ago

          This is a post about Canada is supporting the attack on Iran by the Epstein coalition. Let me know if there’s something else you’re confused about.

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            Is it? It doesn’t say “in response to the America-Iran war…”. As the above poster pointed out, sanctions were occurring long before, and are continuing to occur after.

            A war can have two villains. If you’d like to complain that Canada isn’t placing sanctions on the US for things they’ve done, feel free. But that is not the argument you’re making.

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              Iran was never a serious threat to the USA and not a threat at all to Canada . The USA was always a real threat to Iran from the day Iranians got rid of the Shah. If sanctions was always about human right abuses Canada would have sanctions on Iran during the Shah. It is pretty clear every single sanction on Iran is because of the usa and israel.

              Any sanctions is reducing Iranians resources to defend itself against the USA and Israel who want to genocide them

              A war can have two villains.

              It is like saying both the European settlers in Canada and First nations was villains because first nations did terrible things to each others during wars

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              The argument I’m making is that Canada is aligning with the burger reich genocidal policy, and I guess that’s no surprise given that Canada itself is a colonial apartheid state.

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                Canada itself is a colonial apartheid state.

                Was? Colonial settlement was not pretty, and our history is supremely fucked up, so while I dislike the use of apartheid specifically, the essence is there.

                Is? Absolutely not. Fuck off with this propagandist take. You should be embarrassed to be comparing the genuine atrocities of the past/parts of the world with the current state of Canada.

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        Agreed, but this post is talking about Canada. Are you as confused about Canada’s sovereignty as Trump is?

        Also, what’s up with the completely unrelated picture?

        This is a bad post and a bad comment, man.

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          I’m not confused at all about the fact that Canada has little practical sovereignty and acts as America’s junior partner committing crimes around the world. What’s up with living in a cave and not being aware of internet memes.

          Also, I don’t actually care what you think about my comment or post, man.

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            You could have just said yes.

            Funny that I’m the one living in a cave because I don’t keep up to date on meme culture. Get outside some time. People aren’t that bad.

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      Yes, but have you considered the world is perfectly split into good and bad guys? /s

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      The government’s repression and killing is still going on, and it will continue until the regime falls.

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        Which is why it’s bizarre we’re supporting them throughout all their belligerence.

        Oh sorry I thought you were talking about the US

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    And then there is Cuba. Conundrum after conundrum. Oh for the good old days when you could tell the bad guys from the good without a playlist.

    Wait, in the ‘good old days’, there was Vietnam.

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    Not sure what to make of this. I think it’s either an attempt to placate someone, perhaps the Canadian Iranian diaspora to keep things calm domestically, or they think that there’s a real possibility for the IR to fall under the weight of more sanctions. The latter seems so unrealistic though.

    E: But yeah, def not a good look.