Testing. Hannibal Directive.
Fuck Israel and their, our, genocide. But, I’m side-eyeing anyone coming close to saying “ZOG”
Labour can be shit without being “controlled” by Zionists. They’re perfectly capable of being shit independently, and they are.
Labour can be shit without being “controlled” by Zionists.
Labour is clearly controlled by Zionists. Zionists doesn’t mean Israelis, it means Zionist. Keir Starmer is the current leader of labour. So it’s “controlled” by him. I can’t actually visit this page to see if the quote is real, but supposedly “He told Jewish News:”
I do support Zionism… I absolutely support the right of Israel to exist as a homeland…. I said it loud and clear – and meant it – that I support Zionism without qualification.
(Page I found the quote on: https://dearscotland.substack.com/p/starmers-zionism-explained)
Even if you aren’t convinced from all his Zionist actions, surely this signals a Zionist ideology.
I think the point is mainly that using derogative terms in no way helps your arguement.
Voice of reason, thanks.
The same Wes Streeting who consulted with pro conversion “therapy” groups that like to torture queer people, wants to make it easier to silence opponents of the genocidal Zionists? I’m sensing a pattern here…
Yes, the same Wes Streeting whose anti trans policies towards kids have resulted in proven higher numbers of suicides in that group. The same Wes Streeting who while president of the student union sold out current and future generations of university students by rolling over to massively increased student loans and fees.
Yeah he’s a prick. I think he does it on purpose, it’s like his superpower. Any situation is made infinitely worse because of his inclusion in it.
Ok she sounds like a crazy person. UK is not an occupied state and honestly saying things like that damages her cause.
I’m all for calling out genocide but you need to make sure that’s what you’re doing and not just yelling.
You think it’s normal Wes Streeting is changing UK law after multiple failed Zionist lawfare attempts by UK Lawyers For Israel which were struck down in court?
No but I also don’t think it’s particularly helpful to sound like you wear a tin foil hat on your weekends. Criticise Israel absolutely. But to claim the UK is under occupation is just plain weird. We’re not under occupation we just have shit heads in charge. New conspiracy theory is required
You can tell its bullshit because none of the articles quote any of her tweets. If they really were that bad they’d show them as proof.
One of their main arguments is that she’s antisemitic because she says “Jewish supremacy” and therefore she’s discriminating against all Jews. But that’s literally what Zionism is. Apartheid South Africa had white-supremacy. Israel has Jewish supremacy (special rights only for Jews and not for others)
Am I bigoted for being worried about any/all racial supremacists…? Up to and including Jewish supremacists.
that’s literally what Zionism is
Not really, most zionists aren’t Jewish, some are even antisemites. Christian zionists have no issue oppressing antizionist Jews.
that’s literally what Zionism is
Not really, most zionists aren’t Jewish
Zionism isn’t apartheid favouring Zionists. Then you could just say you support it and get all the privileges. It’s apartheid favouring Jews. At least on paper, since they exclude non-white Jews.
Christians don’t get $6000 to move into a stolen Palestinian home on the West bank. Only Jews do. Christians get spit on in Israel.
It’s kind of like having a black person as the spokesperson for a white-supremacist organization
No, there are Christians who are Zionists entirely for their own purposes. They’re mostly outside of Israel, and their Zionism is based on (a) encouraging the Jews to go to Israel, which means they leave the places where the Christians are, and more importantly (b) to fulfill a Biblical prophesy where the Jews all returning to Israel is a precondition to start Armageddon, which is in turn necessary to allow the Christians to be “raptured.”
Don’t presume that everyone who wants Israel to exist actually gives a flying fuck about Jews, because a lot of them don’t.
How dare you speak like that of our former president?
While true, Israel as a settler-colony is still based on Jewish supremacy. You basically said it yourself. They’re mostly outside of Israel (of which the vast majority of Christian Zionists live in the US)
Israeli basic law is very clear about this
The most recent Basic Law passed in 2018; “Israel as the Nation State of the Jewish People”,[6] states in chapter 1C: “The realization of the right to national self-determination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish People.”[7] This law was criticized by some ethnic groups in Israel, including by some Israeli Druze.[8]
Yeah but this conversation wasn’t about Israelis; it was about Zionists. This is the claim you were responding to:
Not really, most zionists aren’t Jewish, some are even antisemites. Christian zionists have no issue oppressing antizionist Jews.
Note the grand total of zero mentions of Israel in that paragraph.
Zionism is by definition Jewish Supremacy. Just like how Apartheid South Africa had White Supremacy.
Christians in the USA supporting it doesn’t change that. US Christians aren’t the victims of Zionism, Palestinian Christians are. Just like how Black Christians in South Africa suffered under Apartheid supporting Christians.
I was expecting that to be a link to Obama’s wikipedia.
Damn that would have been better
Thank you, I cant be the only being like wtf is everyone talking about arabs are all semites including israelis palestinians saudi et al
One thing to hate specific group of people because of who they are VS hating them for causing worldwide problems, war crimes and genocide.
“Specific group” is wild here. Fine if you mean the Israeli govt, or zionists. Not exactly fine if you mean Jewish people in general
You know very well that nobody is talking about jews in general here
i did not and clarified kindly and clearly 👌
Edit: Here’s how the original comment reads to me
One thing to hate [the Jews] because of who they are VS hating [the Jews] for causing worldwide problems, war crimes and genocide.
I can see that’s probably not what they meant
Clarifying is reasonable and necessary. Especially since 2023, I’ve been called an anti semite a bunch of times for supporting Palestine, but I’ve also been in conversations where someone tries to slip in “you know, maybe this is why (((they))) keep getting persecuted.”
People are absolutely using antizionism as a cover for antisemitism, but they’re also using antisemitism as a scold to prevent people from standing up for Palestinians.
99% it’s used as their slander weapon.
I rarely come across genuine antisemitism, even in the sewer that is XIt’s rarer definitely, but I think that might be because it’s normally obvious enough that I can automatically recognize it. For people who want to defend Israel, it’s harder to tell if they’re just really brainwashed (tbf I live in, but was not raised in Germany, and the emphasis placed by the school system on supporting Israel very noticeable as an outsider) or antimuslim. In iffier situations, I tend to ask, because there’s no worse feeling than agreeing with someone for a whole conversation and then realizing they’re a Nazi. I’m not agreeing with the people defending Israel, so that doesn’t happen the other way around.
Your rhetoric is like if there was an article in lemmy about ISIS and it’s influence in the Islamic word and then someone start talking about Islamophobic people use rightful criticism and condemnation of ISIS to spread islamophobia . The Israel lobbies is definitely influencing multiple countries , just because antisemite would use the same statements doesn’t mean antizionist should not use the same statements. The whole difference is in the intentions and motivations .
I’m not saying you shouldn’t identify the Zionist system as Jewish supremacy. I’m saying that it’s reasonable to ask someone who’s talking about a group but not naming it whether they mean Jews or zionists.
I provided a general definition, since it can be applied to different groups of people on our planet, not only to Zionists and their supporters.
Why are zionists such creeps? Who hurt them? (Not really asking, please god spare me the whole spiel.)
The rabbi at brit millah lmao
controlled by the zionist jewish lobby
Literally one of the oldest anti-semitic conspiracy theories a.k.a “The jews controll everything!!111!” and you people gobble it up.
It’s so crazy to see how well the tactic of starting from well deserved criticism of the israeli government to slowly include more and more anti-semitic hate works on so many people. This isn’t the way forward. You are being controlled by hate groups, wake the fuck up.
The majority of Zionists aren’t Jewish
It is one of several pro-Israel lobbying organizations in the United States,[8] and has been called one of the most influential lobbying groups in the U.S
And that’s just AIPAC. Do the “jews” control space lasers and CNN? No. Does the Israeli government have western democracies under its influence and complicit with a genocide? Yep. It’s literally in plain sight. You don’t need antisemitic conspiracy. No one should hate the Jews. We should oppose the murder, genocide, and oppression instituted by a mostly Jewish apartheid state. It’s quite easy to separate the two.
This post was about the Uk and explicitly called it a jewish lobby. As I said, criticism of the israeli government is well justified.
Fair! I misread a lot in this thread it appears
No you haven’t. Duke Nukem (the unicorn guy) is a militant Zionist. The only person talking about the religion is him and he does it purposefully to muddy the water.
This tweet is a critic of Israel. It’s Israel that is exerting pressure, not the Jewish religion as a whole (which would be silly). Jewish supremacy might seem like a strong term, but it’s used in the same vein as white supremacy. Calling someone a white supremacist doesn’t mean all white people are racist.
Literally calling it “Jewish lobby” but sure, has nothing to do with Jews.
Also fun how I am a “militant zionist” for calling out anti-semitism lmao.
I am such a raging zionist I even hate the genocide Israel is involved in in Gaza. Grrrr.
You show up in every thread defending Israel and constantly try to make it about the religion instead of the state. You only talk about being pro-palestine when someone calls you out, sorry if I don’t give it any credence since your behavior goes directly against that.
You’re also constantly catching bans for it lol.
Ah yes attacking the person instead of the argument. Guess that says it all.
Being jewish is not (just) a religion and again, the woman in the post explicitly called it a jewish lobby.
It would be a little naive to think that a country doesn’t have an intelligence and influence campaign everywhere that it would be useful for their national security just because the country is majority jewish.
There is a big difference between ‘the jews control everything’ (which is not being said) and ‘Israel has strong political influence in the western world’ (which is being said).
What’s more tiring is the people who show up in any thread that is critical of Israel to try to pull the antisemitism card. Or, as here, accuse a semitic person of anti-semetisim as if the only semities are jews.
This is a well worn tactic by Israel supporters and it’s incredibly transparent.
She literally called it a jewish lobby. It’s in the screenshot. Look at it.
That doesn’t address anything that I wrote.
She said, literally, ‘zionist jewish lobby’. What part of that is antisemetic instead of a description of reality?
It isn’t conspiratorial thinking to see that the large lobbying presence funded by pro-zionists, who are largely jewish, are among the largest political donors in both the US and UK.
Trying to pretend that this is some antisemitic trope is reality denying nonsense.
Ohhh so she didn’t mean to say that it’s a zionist jewish lobby, she meant it’s a zionist, largely-jewish lobby? Weird how she didn’t type that. Also what does being jewish have to do with it? If they are zionists and largely jewish, why not call them just zionists, if it’s all the same?
This all really reminds me of people defending Trumps nonsense tweets and inserting meaning in those tbh.
Does the Israeli government have western democracies under its influence
Why do you suppose this influence exists?
Hint: Look what companies fund US politicians and which companies Israel buys arms from.
Unlike the US there’s barely any Christian Zionist groups in the UK. They are are almost all Jewish.
What she said would be no different than if someone said the 'white Nazi lobby."
If she said “Zionist Christian lobby” to describe the US lobby, would you react similarly?
I recommend this video addressing your worries: https://youtu.be/vvHX2srBapE
If she said “Zionist Christian lobby” to describe the US lobby, would you react similarly?
You are conveniently forgetting that Jewish people are in large part an ethnicity and Christians are not.
And Nazi Germany had Aryans as an ethnicity. Does that mean they cannot be named? White people increasingly use the term “Christian” as an identifier as well. In the words of a Palestinian victim:
I really recommend watching the video because you’re basically bringing up everything at the start of it and I don’t feel like repeating it all.
And Nazi Germany had Aryans as an ethnicity. Does that mean they cannot be named?
No one in current day germany identifies as Aryan, except some whacko nazis. Hitler used an idealized version of “Aryan” looks and an aryan bod to represent the master race. This has nothing to do with the current day jewish population and your attempt to link the two together just shows ypur agenda. Hot take: your agenda is not to have less people die in the middle east, wonder what it is instead.
No one in current day germany identifies as Aryan, except some whacko nazis.
Hitler used an idealized version of “Aryan” looks and an aryan bod to represent the master race.
So it’s the exact same except the “Jewish ethnicity” is even worse defined than the Aryan one. Any person can claim they are Jewish if they had someone religiously Jewish in their ancestry. I’ve seen literal black neo-Nazis saying they are Jewish because their grandmother belonged to some Jewish sect. It’s a religion turned into an “ethnicity”. Any random person of any race can claim to be Jewish and you’d have no way to check because it’s not tied to any genetics.
Non-Jewish people can also “become Jewish”. There’s plenty of stories of white Christian women from Miami converting to Judaism and moving into a stolen Palestinian home in the West Bank while receiving state funding from Israel. It can’t be a religion when convenient and an ethnicity when not.
Hot take: focus on the real victims of Zionism which are Palestinians.
By the way is this you calling out Christians and Muslims but not mentioning Jews?
Yes, AfD are Nazis and they don’t identify as aryan lol was there a point you were trying to make?
Hot take: focus on the real victims of Zionism which are Palestinians.
I am and at the same time I am calling out hate against jewish people, weird how that works huh?
By the way is this you calling out Christians and Muslims but not mentioning Jews?
3 years ago
LMAO someone did some digging. If I remember, the post this was in response to was about Christianity and Islam, why would I mention Judaism? And no, I did not call out Christians or Muslims, I called out Christianity and Islam. But here, just for you: You are allowed to hate any religion. But, again, for you: You should not hate humans, just because they belong to a religion, or an ethnicity.
They’re just doing literal Nazi-salutes. And besides that, AfD also identifies as Christians (hey does that remind you of something?)
I am and at the same time I am calling out hate against jewish people, weird how that works huh?
You claim you are but you’re on the side of Wes Streeting chaging UK law to fire Palestinian doctors despite the UK court striking it down multiple times. You’re looking at every sratement and hyper analyzing ways to interpret them as antisemitic. Can you see how it becomes very difficult to criticize Israel which is Jewish supremacist and identifies as a Jewish state, when people throw a fit every time someone mentions the word “Jews” even in an accurate context? She’s specifically saying “Zionist Jews” but you’re still not statisfied. And you’re claiming that it’s antisemitic to claim the Zionist lobby has huge influence in the UK only because they’re primarily Jewish.
LMAO someone did some digging.
It’s just the Lemmy search function. I could probably find much worse from you (and the entire Feddit server in general when it comes to “immigrants”) if I put in actual effort. But I don’t care. It’s only an example to show that you’re willing to name other religious groups, as does most of Lemmy especially when it comes to dunking on Christians.
In any case, go watch the video (or don’t if you just want to keep calling people anti-semites) I don’t feel like going in circles here. I know it’s a tough pill to swallow for feddit users. https://youtu.be/vvHX2srBapE
Get lost zionazi
