This viewpoint is flawed and dangerously naive.
The damage is not as superficial as a name or a building. The USA allowed this to happen. The checks and balances that were supposed to be built into the system have failed. The United States of America, it’s government, and it’s whole social structure is no longer reliable. It does not end with the removal from power or even the death of Trump.
In 2016 the world got to know Donald Trump. In 2024 the world got to know the American people.
In 2024 the first world got to know the American people.
FTFY. Places that had to live with the consequences of US bombs and CIA regime change already knew what the American people were like.
The thing that the whole word has learned is that there’s NO limit to what the American people will shrug off and do nothing about, whether they like it or not. None whatsoever.
You’re right that others have previously found themselves on the wrong side of that, apparently nonexistent, limit, and already learned that their lives didn’t matter a bit to any Americans. But the attack on Venezuela and economic war against Cuba – formally unsanctiones acts of wanton destruction, carried out for the lulz in the name of all Americans – were very much not believed to be in the cards, even by those countries.
Earlier this year, Denmark – fucking DENMARK – a vassal state of ~5 million people – prepared for a fight with the US to the point of sending blood bags to Greenland. But the very idea of that doesn’t even give Americans pause, Trump voters or not.
At least people in Nazi Germany feigned ignorance, Americans straight up don’t give a fuck.
Greenland might be an anomaly to US but Venezuela, Cuba, Iran is par for the course for US. A war monger will war monger no matter the leadership not the consequences. Europe will still be the vassal at least the leadership, the populace will forget it the moment the new iphone launches.
the first worldPlaces that had to live with the consequences of US bombs and CIA regime changeAside from one or two exceptions there is no overlap between these two groupsEdit: nvm, i did read ftfy but not the comment you responded to and believed you quoted the original comment.
Flawed? It’s schizophrenic and a sign that there is no hope to be found in the US people.
the checks and balances are working pretty well but there’s obviously not enough wrt the president
the DOJ, CDC and other departments going back to normal will do an enormous amount for the country
that and a nuremburg trials for trump and all of the others. laws will have to be changed and be applied retroactively
You’re fucking dreaming, bud.
The checks and balances have failed. He owns the supreme court. They’ve already handed him victories against hard fought progress that America worked for decades to get.
The religious nut cases are in charge. They’ve already own the media and they’re taking the internet. They are coming to take away your computer and make you pay to talk to their AI machine. You don’t own anything anymore, it’s all rented, it’s all locked down from being repaired. They want to jail nonconformists. They’re a demonizing food safety and vaccine practices, and motherfuckers are buying it.
The climate is changing and they know it and they refuse to stop doing the things they are doing in order to try and stop it. Instead, they stock up on oil and bombs so they can invade territory they know will be available to try and grow food. And notherfuckers are cheering it on.
Why’s the US want Canada? why’s the US want Greenland? Because in 50 years, in 30 years…in 20 years? It’ll be the fucking bread basket. And motherfuckers don’t even realize why they the cheering it on.
Why’s the US want Venezuela? Why’s the US want Iran? Because we need oil all our machines run on oil and we can’t power our wars and our oppression without them. And motherfuckers love their “Hemi’s” and they’re cheering it on.
Why’s the US pushing so hard for AI? Why’s the US pushing so hard for online ID verification? They want to track us all. Make us confirm like good little brainwashed Godly worker bees. Find and root out the “rot” of dissent, and motherfuckers are cheering them on.
This doesn’t go all away with Gavin Newsom.
Nope lol. Disolve the USA. They lost their right to being a country.
There’s obviously not enough WRT the Supreme Court or Congress, either.
Whoops, that’s all three branches.
The most important check is that congress and SCOTUS wields their power against the president. They are not supposed to be sharing power right now and encouraging each other to break the constitution.
Oh sure, the entire world will just collectively shrug and act like none if this really happened.
The conservatives of this country don’t realize how fucking cooked it is. No one will ever believe us or trust us again, period. If they do it’ll be after decades of groveling and begging to get them to accept us as a legitimate country you can rely on.
When Trump leaves office, the 40% of Americans who voted for him will still be there.
Gotta stop with the 40% nonsense. It’s misleading. Americans are BAD AT VOTING. 40% of voters in 2024 support Trump. Not 40% of Americans. If I take wikipedias lower end estimate of 342mil people, and divide Trumps number of votes by that, I get 22.6%.
Still super shitty, but not 40.
wikipedias lower end estimate of 342mil people
Plus only about 270 mil adults (over 18)
Totally, which puts us at 28%.
Every single country on the planet has the same shitty people that vote shitty. There are lots of really stupid people. At the end of the day, people can be seriously disappointing. This is the same all over the planet. American voters aren’t any worse than the voters of any other country. So then, if 40% of the voters in any country would be willing to put someone like Trump into power over a more sane candidate, what does that mean?
Well, first off, it means no place is truly safe from the most batshit crazy people getting into power. Italy has Giorgia Meloni, France almost had Marine Le Pen, the AfD is getting a lot of support in Germany, etc.
But it also means that the system itself has problems. That’s what ultimately allowed Trump to get into power. We have a government by the billionaires, for the billionaires. The wealth of billionaires in itself has grown out of control. It is impossible to successfully run for a major office without being insanely wealthy. Bribery is a central part of US politics. Corporations can make unlimited donations to political candidates. All of the safeguards against crazy have been dismantled. Party leadership silences anyone that tries to make a positive change. The media is filled with propaganda. AI has figured out how to manipulate people on a personal level. The list keeps going on. People will vote for the worst candidates all over the world. But in the US, at this point, the system is broken in a way that has enabled the worst candidate to not only be moderately bad, but some of the worst people on the planet.
Edit: I shouldn’t say 40% of the country - when the system fails to the extent it has in the US, it makes it difficult for people to vote. The number of Trump supporters is nowhere near 40% of the country. But there’s enough people anywhere for it to happen under the right circumstances.
well… the ice facilities will no longer be used…
Are you kidding? Obama commissioned some of the ones that already existed for Trump to use.
Biden built Trump’s wall, and changed nothing about how ICE was used from Trump’s first term.
And back to Clinton, both parties agree on Neoliberal Magical-Thinking as economic policy.
Politicians are not your friends.
Hardly. The damage done is not so easily fixed. The US has proved it can’t be trusted.
Yeah Trump this the symptom, not our sickness
Trump is the symptom, capitalism is the disease, socialism is the cure.
Ya you’d have to be pretty dumb or gullible to think the USA will have a competent government again.
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The US will bomb another several countries for no reason
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We will remain subservient to Israel
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We will get another Republican in four years who will repeat every mistake they’ve ever made and then some
The US will bomb another several countries for no reason
Yes, but the bombs will be manufactured by a diverse team of forward-thinkers and dropped by the first-ever gay genocidaire.
I got rainbow Lockmart socks to support trans drone pilots.
Actually, if Vance 25th amendments his ass after January 20, 2027, he’ll get Trump’s last 2 years, and he’ll still be eligible for two full terms.
Oh come on, that is so ridiculous and mean.
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America will bomb the usual, all of the, countries, but it will not be done under a madman. A very beautiful and good, specifically pro semitic, reason that doesn’t change every day will be provided.
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Israel will have the usual pure admiration and respect for the great American democracy, and as itself is the only democracy in the middle east, America’s best friend will continue to bring genocide to the region without Epstein/Mossad kompromat on the US President. Subservience to Israel will seem completely normal again!
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Undoing some of Trump’s most direct destructions of America, will lead oligarchy to fund complaints for not obtaining maximal supremacism and other Zionist goals, and so sure, election 4 years after will be rigged against DNC rulership, but on the bright side, DNC poltical donations will reach a new record anyway. Make DNC rich again.
So, unlike what you said, America will be saved. A new, never before seen, Zionist warmongering, temporary DNC regime that reaches across the aisle for ZIonist harmony in its warmongering will be greated throughout the world with flowers for their
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Remember when we repealed the patriot act and got rid of the TSA? Or put the guardrails back in place after that big crash? No, the other crash, the one that happened after the guardrails were removed the second time.
To add: Remember when grocery prices went back down?
No. We are permanently and irritrievably fucked.
Anything that Trump has done via executive order can be undone just as easily, but the weakening of U.S. soft power is likely permanent. Nobody can trust the United States to act as a consistent and reliable cohort in any capacity, because we have proven to be unreliable and our foreign policy has been wildly inconsistent, shifting with the whims of the ignorant American electorate every 4-8 years.
I also don’t think it’s going to be that easy to purge the MAGA corruption from government agencies. They will put their masks back on and pretend to be good little worker bees, but everything that they do will be in service to Trump, not to the nation or the constitution. It will take ten times longer to root them out and oust them than it did for Trump and his cronies to install them.
If we have an unbroken string of left wing progressive presidents for the next 30 years, we might recover. If even one Republican snake manages to slither into office, the work will be undone in the span of a single term.
You’re wrong, though. Executive orders can be undone, but it’s what happened after the order was issued that cannot. People quit. People died. People got tortured. Institutions collapsed. You can’t undo that by reversing the order.
Roughly 1/3 of America voted against what we have now. That means 2/3 are still wanting (or at least complicit) with what we have now as well.
The world knows that it is not only Trump. We know that there is a broad election basis supporting that policy, that there are billionaires pushing it and that the whole GOP is totally in line with it. We witnessed how Biden tried to fix the damage of Trump1 and then we got an even worse Trump2.
So the world is trying to get out of their dependence on the USA and that will go on, because there will always be the threat of another trumplike president coming from the MAGA swamp
Was going to write almost the same 👍.
Even if after Trump a good president is elected, they’ll have to use their whole time to extinguish the flames. And then what, after four years? Will the American people elect the next Trump-style president who has an easier time bringing it all down than it takes to lift it up? It’ll take at least a decade to fix this mess. And I’m not positive that many Americans see it as the mess it is.
I’ll be truthful, if it was 2013 and I was in my current age, going to the US would’ve been a no-brainer as someone in tech. Early last year I chose Zürich instead.
The worst part is, even if someone spends a decade putting the furniture right, the US will emerge right back at where they started with no material improvements made to the lives of people and they will be clamoring for another ‘Trump will fix it’ style campaign. Hard to see how anyone could pull the country out of its current death spiral.
Yeah, Americans need to pass a whole lot of constitutional amendments to prevent a future president from doing things like this.
This whole thing has shown that the “system of checks and balances” that they’re so proud of is just a sham. If the US actually managed to push through constitutional changes, that might be a first step in rebuilding trust. Until then, everyone has to assume that it’s just a matter of time before there’s another Trump-like president. Historically, passing constitutional changes has been extremely difficult, so it’s no given that that can even happen in a reasonable time frame.
I admire their optimism.
That’s not how it works.
In many cases trust is broken and it might never be restored. People won’t come back if they know they can be vilified and fired again in a few years. Allies? We will never think of the US as a reliable partner again. Not in my life time.
Americans elected a psycho, a literal psycho. The only thing I will remember is that it will likely happen again.
Americans elected a psycho, a literal psycho.
RE-elected*
they elected him twice! It’s not like they didn’t know what was coming, they were okay with it
Exactly. They were cool with it, even more so they wanted this.
Most qualified voters couldn’t be bothered to vote. Apathy is why we’re here. Some of that apathy has been purposefully engineered by right wing media since the mid 1970s.
You don’t get to use that excuse when you re-elected him.
Perhaps the opposition could have done more, results argue that they couldn’t.
Besides, Trump is only the latest of a long trend of GOP candidates and policies all in line with the exact current policy. The opposition may have fought valiantly, and lost ground. From the outside, that looks exactly like a national shift towards the GOP/conservative/christo-fascist.
Wasn’t an excuse. And it was not a national shift towards fascism. It was the ever-present undercurrent of fascism finally edging out those who would oppose it.
My whole point is that those two are indistinguishable from the outside.
(Although conservatism in general rather than the radicalised form that is fascism)
The only realization I’ve had as an adult is that conservatism has always been fascism in sheep’s clothing.
Cluster B personality disorder. Malignant narcissist.
The kind of parent kids go no contact with, former spouses have to take restraining orders out on, and not by any definition trustworthy or healthy.
Defined by living in a false reality, gaslighting deniers of that reality, love bombing people who play to them, and incapable of accepting accountability for any act.
All of this clearly visible to anyone with eyes and firing neurons.
And yet.
I don’t understand how it isn’t more obvious to everyone that the American people at large literally did not elect him, the election was stolen, Trump and Elon Musk both were on national television bragging about how they’ve done so, multiple times.
Do not ever trust the US government for anything, ever - you’re completely correct there - but please don’t get the impression that the majority of citizens are over here cheering and rubbing their hands together in sick, evil glee. We are hostages of the owner class. What is happening, happens without our consent or approval, and those who express their disapproval are shot dead.
There is a small percentage of very uneducated and unwell people who do support the actions of the American regime and they’re being hugely signal boosted by said regime as a way of whitewashing what is going on. If they can get one person to express approval and then put that sound bite onto Fox News, then suddenly you can have a thousand people express approval. Once you have a thousand people on board the misinformation is now self supporting, it’ll spread on its own.
A small subset of Americans are cartoonishly evil, and surprise, it’s primarily the robber barons just like the last time. A larger subset of Americans are criminally underinformed about their situation, either through their own lack of interest or through targeted efforts to destroy their ability to learn the truth (defunding of educational programs, defunding NPR, burning books, etc). The largest subset of Americans are just scared. Everything that has defined the backbone of domestic life in the USA in our lifetimes has been destroyed and it is not coming back. People who speak up about this publicly are disappeared or executed. Some of them, you hear about on the news after. Most, you won’t.
I have such an unbelievable amount of respect for citizens in other countries who are willing and able to stand up for their rights. I always thought the US would be capable of the same. And in some ways, we are. In most of the ways that matter, though, we’re scared little children, whose fear and ignorance is being amplified and preyed on by those who would take advantage of it, and the average person is either blind to it or afraid of the consequences of standing up to it alone.
Please, hate what we’ve done, hate who leads us, but don’t make the mistake of thinking that regular citizens are approving of this.
And yet you use Brave browser. Curious.
Watch out people, another psycho.
Trump has already caused decades of harm, some probably permanent. When people warned of irrevocable damage should Trump be elected, this is what they referred to.
A single example: Iran. If they still exist when Trump leaves office or dies, they’re not going to jump back into the Iran Nuclear Deal. If we don’t want them to have nuclear weapons, Trump shouldn’t have withdrew us from the agreement that was working in 2018 just because it was an Obama success! Shit like that is why we’re fucked…
i would even go further… if you are not one of the biggest 10 countries you NEED nuclear weapons now
The international community will never trust the US again. Every shred of soft power and trust in the US is gone, and nobody will make an agreement that isn’t purely short-term transactional for decades to come.
Constitutional reform at minimum is required, preferably a sweeping change to how their voting and districting works.
And make voting day a fucking holiday ffs.
The Gulf of Mexico is still the Gulf of Mexico. No country other than the USA calls it anything else.
I still call it the Gulf of Mexico.
Treason
I call it the golf of idiots
This has two problems, because it assumes:
- the next president will not be a similiar idiot
- there will still be elections.
It has been looking like Trump is going for a dictatorship for a long time and things are getting increasingly worse recently.
There is a third problem. It assumes talented people are will return to jobs where they can be fired at the whim of a presidents.
- that all of our former allies will be on board for a smooth resumption of prior status quo.
Europe doesn’t trust each other enough to have any other choice.
well yea we have germany
We’ll be expecting you to put in safeguards against this happening again. At the very least presidential powers need to be limited back to their constitutional level, reversing the creep of the post war presidents.
