IOS users hate Windows. Linux users hate Microsoft.
Linux users like: ‘you merely adopted the hate’ 😭
I hate IOS as well.
Yeah, Cisco IOS can be pretty confusing.
IOS is great. So is iOS.
Yup. Have no issues with my iPhone. Tried Android once and it ain’t for me.
the joke is for you then. apple makes closed systems. at leats windows is an open system. jusr not open source
Most bank apps work on Sailfish OS via Android App Support. Some don’t.
Banks website works.
On the subject of banks, some cuntey banks only provide two options: app and in-person visits. So if you live out of state and the app doesn’t work for you on your version of Android, you’re fucked
Linux: I run the bank
I literally don’t do any finance on my phone at all. This image is qualified
Linux users sampling self-hosting options
My bank has a website I can use to bank through, I dont even need an app.
The whole issue with banking apps must seem strange to people in some countries, and make perfect sense to people in other countries. My whole country rely on a 2FA app made by the banks. It’s in every aspect of society. Buying a bus ticket, booking a time for health care, doing taxes, applying for an apartment, signing contracts, all done with the same banking app. Only people with stallmanesque convictions manage without, with lots of effort. So far that app works on e/os/ and GrapheneOS, but not regular desktop Linux.
Oh, that’s a terrifying single point of failure.
Spicy!
I feel kinda trapped into iOS. i have a whole ecosystem I’ve been invested in for ages. Plus if I leave my wife will crucify me. also bought this expensive ass phone and that’s it for now.
i have a whole ecosystem I’ve been invested in for ages.
That’s precisely why I’ve been avoiding Apple for decades.
Well yeah that’s Apple’s whole shtick, making anything only compatible with their own ecosystem with as much lock-in as possible. It’s a genuinely drug dealer-like approach, they’ve even got “the first one’s free” with cheap Ipads and Neo.
I feel kinda trapped into iOS. i have a whole ecosystem I’ve been invested in for ages.
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Stop shaming people for changing their mind or coming around to what you’ve been saying with this bullshit. BE more WELCOMING!
We FuCkInG wArNeD yOu
Bud I’ve been doin my best I don’t need this.
No you don’t!
Fuck off you clown. You ain’t warn nobody.
Shit this place is cringe af half the time and exhausting the rest of the time as it’s the same 10 fucking topics all the time in this echo chamber.
Fuck off you clown. You ain’t warn nobody.
I have been hating on macs since the ipod took off, for the same reasons people are mad at enshittification and lack of control over your own hardware.
No one listened, and here we are.
The difference with Linux is that instead of investing money into your ecosystem, you invest your time. What is worth more to you?
You know, over the last few years, I’ve gained a begrudging respect for Apple. They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life, and they’re even the best value proposition at several price tiers. I main Fedora and GrapheneOS at home, yes, but I enjoy macOS and iOS at work. macOS has some of those key professional applications that haven’t made it to Linux yet.
Apple is a pretty easy 2nd place in most areas, 1st for laptops specifically. Windows & ChromeOS can fight for 3rd but they’re miles below macOS and Linux.
MacBooks are just better. Even before apple silicon they had a distinct fit and finish advantage, but now with the M series chips they are just on a completely different level.
really care about … build quality
Glad for you that has changed lately. Apple’s is the only (and most expensive) hardware I’ve ever had severe problems with … twice. (In between, that clone they killed worked great for 7 years.) Not buying it.
Yet over here as someone who has used macOS professionally for over a decade, I feel like I’m watching the slow deterioration of the operating system as they ignore the wants and wishes of professional users and make the whole thing more and more like a mobile OS with every update.
And at the same time it feels like the number of bugs and broken features which Apple were historically careful to control are getting worse as they prioritise moving fast over being robust.
They are still outperforming Microsoft in every user-centric metric IMO (and by a long way) but the current trajectory absolutely feels like things are getting worse, not better.
yep, hardware became better. Software became worse
100% this.
I used macos for over a decade, and kept getting Kore and more frustrated with the ui and ux decisions apple kept making. Now I use Linux on my computers and am so.much happier. Linux has its problems, but at least I can fix most of those problems. I’m not forced to use anything.
On my phone I use graphene os, and while I hate dome of the ui/ux of the base aosp, at least it’s not sucking up all my data.
They moved their desktops to ARM, now they have a single architecture to maintain. It just makes sense to dumb it down so they can ship one OS for everything they make. After all, people will blindly buy it anyway.
It’s all just MacOS anyway so they just stopped shipping the x86 build it’s not really a great loss.
I am curious to know what features you’re referring to. I’m not saying they don’t exist, I’m relatively new to the Mac train after all and I tend to not be as plugged into the Apple community because uh…well you know. The only thing I’ve heard is some people not liking liquid glass for a potential performance hit, but I haven’t seen any tbh. They’re also dumping Rosetta soon but I think it’s been a reasonable enough amount of time.
For me it’s mostly small but annoying issues.
Wifi refusing to connect to some access points with no indication of why. Keyboard shortcut to change desktop spaces stops working when USB monitor is connnected. That sort of annoyance that never used to happen.
And then just the general direction of travel. More AI. Getting increasingly difficult to install unverified apps. User consent still seems to be there and things are usually opt in and not out (which is great) but the nudge towards cloud is just that bit stronger all the time, and every update I’m watching for shenanigans.
If you’re new to macOS and coming from Windows then everything probably seems pretty awesome in comparison - and it is - but I don’t have the same trust as I used to.
WiFi I can’t say I have a lot of experience with, just my home and work, and those work. One is 5 GHz, one is 2.4 GHz.
The keyboard shortcut to switch spaces works for me. So does the trackpad 3 finger gesture and magic mouse swipe. I’m on the latest update but it’s never not worked. USB-c monitor.
I also hate that direction, but that’s just tech right now unfortunately. Apple seems to be resisting most of it. Apple Intelligence is half assed at best, and not forced upon you. I forget it is there. Really just so they can say they did something Ai related for investors without actually wasting too much money.
Linux is better for telemetry obviously, and there should be zero, but again Apple is far ahead of everyone else, and mostly only strengthened their commitments, with some VERY noticeable exceptions like client side scanning in the UK. Even privacy enthusiasts like Michael Bazzel recommend it for privacy and security if you are too tech illiterate or need it for work stuff. After changing settings of course.
Storage options are abysmal but luckily there are encrypted cloud options, you don’t have to use Apple’s. I’m glad I am not limited to buying Apple’s storage, I need it for my data hoard at home. For work though it doesn’t impact me, cloud is better in fact.
“Unverified” apps is complete bullshit, you got me there. Everyone else seems to be pushing it too besides Microsoft and Linux. I will be PISSED if they take it away the same way they do on iOS, and I’m hoping the App Store monopoly lawsuits go somewhere.
They really care about UX, Ui
Do people really like just having rows and rows of random icons on their home screen?
Huh? You don’t have to have icons on your home screen.
They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life
/me side-eyes macOS Tahoe
Have you ran into issues with Tahoe?
Tips Fedora
M’lady
No but for real, that was one of the main reasons it took me so long to test Fedora. I associated fedoras (and Linux in general) with sweaty basement dwellers for many years. Not to mention “red hat” has a different connotation than it did in the 90s. Yeesh. But I’m glad I got over it, Fedora works the best for my needs and Linux isn’t nearly as hard as it’s made out to be. Might try Cachy at some point though.
I may not like Apple, but I have to admit it’s better than anything from Microslop. Low bar, I know.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
I dislike apple, but I dislike Google A WHOLE lot more.
Me being an iOS user and Linux user be like
When I can finally get a Motorola Graphene phones, iOS is gone.
Same
I’m an iOS user too. I’d switch the day there’s a nice little Android smartphone that’s compatible with a Google-free OS (and by “little,” I mean under 5.8 inches, I don’t have giant hands).
But I mean, really, it’s all in what software you use. I used iOS with Linux for a while with KDE and KDE Connect along with Tailscale to connect the two with amazing results. Its not all bad. I like Android + Linux better, but iOS + Linux is definitely doable, at least it’s not iOS + Windows.
Both macOS and Windows are the same thing: Proprietary garbage
Only one of them is UNIX.
I think macOS is more like quality garbage. There’s actual development happening there. It’s still garbage, but you know. It’s garbage that stray cats would eat
I use iOS (tablet), Android (phone), Linux (main), MacOS (music and media), and Windows (corporate client support). Of the bunch, I only hate Windows.
MacOS is a fine SSH terminal to my Linux boxes. Really it’s just that Macbooks are somehow so much better than every other laptop. I always have a cheap Linux laptop as well for reasons and activities, but for actual work all of the annoying things about MacOS are well worth the hardware ergonomics.
Apple users are the OG Windows haters.
More like the OG “shiny is better” users
All those shiny Apple 2’s, Macintoshs, Quadra’s, LC’s etc. super shiny beige plastic
Windows was less shitty in the 90s too
I wouldn’t know
no?
Yes
In the 90’s there entire mailing list and Apple paid advocates. Many in my generation used Apple computers in school and carried them forward, when I got to college there were Apple specific computer labs.
I’ve been using Apple computers since 1980, Linux really didn’t become mainstream and usable until the late 90’s
OS9 and prior were cool, though. You could play all the old Bungie games.
Windows gives me more control over my machine, but iOS actually works, and gives me the UNIX-like command line. Still sticking with Linux though because it gives me even more control.
Not just UNIX-like, but actual UNIX.
IIRC there were some UNIX-certified Linux distros out there too, not sure if they’re still around.
I think you mean to say macOS. iOS is the mobile OS and doesn’t have CLI (by default).
Whoops yeah indeed.
Idk if that argument still applies thanks to windows 11. They’re making control over your machine more and more restricted and more AI controlled. Really hate the way windows is going.
Given Google’s current trajectory with Android, I’m not sure the smugness is so warranted unless you either have no phone or you’re one of the few that uses a Linux mobile OS. Also, yes I know Android is based on Linux but that isn’t stopping Google from locking it down as tightly as iOS
Get your ass on Lineage or GrapheneOS :)
/e/os W 🥱
Fuck that ai artist watermark
FTFY
