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Religion: “thanks to our prayers we made it possible for science to create a prosthetic limb”
I’ve twice asked Christians to pray in Jesus’ name asking for the immediate and permanent end to torture, rape, murder, and war. They prayed, and when I next met them they were still Christians despite none of those things ending.
I think religious people are dishonest and/or unable to differentiate between reality and fairytales.
Matthew 7:7-11
7 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!I guess the monkey palm only applied to current end of torture, rape, murder, and war and not future instances, but I could imagine Iraq war still being ongoing, or if it happened at the beginning of the Russian war that’s clearly ongoing
Playing devil’s advocate: science hasn’t cracked any of those yet either.
True, and the scientific method and results have made wars more intensely deadly; but science doesn’t make ridiculous claims like religions and other scam-artists who claims that if you say some magic words you can have absolutely anything you want. The scientific method is by far the best way we’ve found that lets us figure out what is real and what is nonsense - no other method comes anywhere close to it.
It has helped to improve on those issues though.
Solving those problems is not part of science’s purview.
It absolutely is. They’re sociology problems. Observations can be made on causal factors in society, changes made, effects observed, results shared.
Have a read of the book “The Science Of Racism” for how science can give a insight into dealing with a social issue.
People who are religious in the end have faith because they are selfish. They will perpetuate a religious belief that overall creates a worse world for everyone living (wars, enforced ideology, etc) in the hopes that they can have an afterlife of bliss and excess.
To be fair religion is probably how he got his arm blown off in the first place
…with a bit of technology just for spice.
These religious people didn’t believe enough, they are lacking faith. I now pastor, imam, rabbi whatever its name can make that child grow that arm in no time. All they need to do is give up their earthly possessions and become faithful followers.
Side topic: I think Pascal’s Wager is stupid because what if there is a god and it only sends believers to hell? What if there is a good and it sends everyone to hell no matter what? What if there is a god and it didn’t make an afterlife and won’t interfere in actual life, so why even bother? What if there’s a flying spaghetti monster out there and that’s what god is?
/rant
What if there’s a good? No, no chance of that, I’m afraid.
That’s why it’s pascal’s mugging. You’re getting screwed for something that, statistically speaking, is a shot in the dark.
Don’t worry, the religious people will find a way to make this about themselves and/or their religion!
So here’s the thing with today’s prosthetics: they kinda suck. For example this 2022 study reports that 44% of amputees rejected their prosthetic:
Most responders complained about the comfort (60.87%, n = 14) as well as the weight of the device (52.17%, n = 12).
What apparently goes a long way is accepting the missing limb and living with it. And I guess religion does help with that.
Of course, it’s all primitive dogshit, basically early 20th century sticks with fancier motors. Big deal.
We need to figure out how to regrow limbs. A stupid salamander can do it.
There’s some evidence that mammals never lost the ability. Unfortunately, our scarring response is massively faster and locks wounds down.
A few years back, they engineered mice to lack a gene, to find out what it did. Initially, someone got in trouble for not properly marking the modified mice (via holes in their ears). They later discovered the holes healed completely, including regenerating fur etc.
Unfortunately, it also makes recovery from larger wounds difficult, since without a scarring response they don’t close quickly.
No one prays harder than a scientist waiting for a peer review.
I have a crack in my windshield and I feel this energy right now
Please God, I just ask that reviewer number 2 comes to their fucking senses for 17 minutes to approve my paper.
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Religious people aren’t bothered or surprised at all when their prayers don’t come true. On the other hand, if their cell phone or car or air conditioner suddenly stops working without warning, they’re absolutely shocked and dismayed.
My point is that even the most religious people actually believe in science far more than they believe in their religion. They’re just too stupid to realize it.
Religion: thoughts and prayers
Science: thoughts and peersThoughts and pears
Ok got it.
You’re missing part of the appeal. In the right column, there’s a huge pile of money going toward the design and production of that arm. In the left column, there’s a huge pile of money going to a faith healer’s private jet. Sure, functioning prosthetic arms are pretty cool, but private jets are super cool.
can we stop with this early 2010s debate?
it’s bullshit all the way. Science is also used to create weapons which creates record numbers of amputees, and religion is still used as propaganda to justify those wars. And even with prosthetic limbs, access might be limited based on profitability.
the main difference is community support, class issues, capitalism…
Science and technology advancement by itself is dangerous if society doesn’t advance as well. regardless of the specific religion or lack thereof.
Saying that as an absolute science nerd with a STEM PhD,
science vs religion debate has been around at least since the 1980s.
/s
1982 to be exact, when Thomas Dolby was blinded with science much like Saul was once blinded by Jesus on the road to Damascus. It’s poetry in motion.
May the Reverend Magnus Pike be forever remembered.
that debate probably existed much earlier. wouldn’t surprise me if some shaman’s were upset at those high tech craftmen with copper tools and those craftmen though the chaman was crazy…
Another way this discussion is bullshit and leads nowhere is that religion can also explain everything science does. Oh the kid got a prosthetic arm? Yes, because put engineers in his path, it was all part of His plan. Kid losing the arm was also part of the plan BTW.
religion in itself isn’t a bad thing, fervant fanaticism is the dangerous part.
The atheist movement left a vacuum taken over by manosphere, and other toxic BS. How many cases are of scientific fanatics doing crimes against humanity for curiosity? unit 731? Mengele?
God took away the foreskin…
Science will bring it back…
I’m 14…
And part of my dick is missing…
And religious zealots will take your virginity. This could mean pedophile priests or pedophile billionaires.
If god took your foreskin, it’s because He had a bigger plan for it. Probably the universe’s biggest tapestry.
I look at it this way in terms of spirituallity… (Aka psychopath minded religion excluded.)
Kid has 1 arm.
Community that doesn’t have the means or knowledge for science helps promote hope and faith that keeps the kid going.
Science does it’s thing, as it always has and creates an arm.
Kid is able to get the new arm because the community and faith helped keep his spirits up so he didn’t suicide out of hopelessness.
…The real enemy is the marketing and psychological manipulation tainting everything. It’s not just religions. It rapes everything for all that it can benefit from. Every demographic is observed and bled of all its authentic soul. From religions, to cultures, governments, arts, and even sciences.
All major religions have people doing stuff that is to the benefit of the higher-ups in the religion and is to the disadvantage to the common believer.
But you’re right, it also happens outside of religion, like with capitalism and billionaires vs the working class.
Religion is just a means to keep the plebs from revolting.
Is all the charity that Christianity alone has done also to the disadvantage to the common believer?
Haha yes. In the greater scheme of things it definitely is. The Christian higher-ups rake in way more money than they spend on charity. Churches are often exempt from taxes, so whatever they spend on charity would have been better spent if they simply paid their fair share to the community. Every cent they get is though lies and deceit. Charity is just a way to make themselves feel good and to uphold the image that they are Good Samaritans. Some individuals may be just that, but Christianity? Definitely no.
Why not foster hope through science? Religion is unneeded for that.
Plus, if the situation was hopeless scientifically, the kid would be better off accepting reality than to endlessly hope for something that will never come. Just build with what he can instead of daydreaming about what can’t be.
