This is why I don’t think it’s a good idea to live in America. America is rapidly on its way to becoming a failed state. It’s best to move to other countries that still know that up is up and down is down, 2+2=4.
Motherfucker blew through nearly 3 trilly in a single year and 1 in 5 people in this dumbfuck country are like “doesn’t look like anything to me.”
“Nu uh DOGE saved us trillions from Biden’s corrupt government!”
They don’t know how bad it is because they get their news from megacorps who will NEVER tell them such facts.
Blame the people who have control. Not the people struggling to make sense of mountians of capitalist propaganda on a middleschooler’s education.
Eh.
I went to public school. I even have a MAGAt parent.
I didn’t end up MAGA stupid.
Yeah, the odds are stacked against the average American, but that doesn’t give them a pass to be stupid enough to vote for fascism.
A lot of them watch that corpo news because it reinforces what they already want to believe. Many of them are just fucking racists.
You’re on Lemmy. We’re already pre-selected to be not complete and utter dumbasses.
Reinforcement of belief is comfortable to all animals, let alone humans.
Sure, a TON of MAGAts are hateful, especially after ten years to wake the fuck up, but to pretend conservatives and fascists aren’t exploiting basic animal insecurity is to absolutely and completely fail to understand how this shit grabs people.
The high “better off” opinion of the conservatives is probably based on “it is fashionable again to be openly racist”, nothing more.
A big percentage of that is people believing Fox News telling them things are better.
My maga relatives have talked recently, again, about how much safer DC is and how the economy is “now going like gangbusters”. They really believe it.
Nahhhhhh, don’t forget the tax breaks going to rich fucks.
The NY Times is undoubtedly skewed towards sampling New Yorkers, who are all biased towards higher tax brackets by the way megalopolis economics work in the first place.
don’t forget the tax breaks going to rich fucks.
“This matters to me because I will be rich one day.”
— Delusional morons.
Especially to those so dangerously close to grabbing the purse strings of the likes of 90’s Trump.
Like I needed more stats proving America is the land of the stupid.
Pretty sure that 19% were actual bots. Ain’t no fucking way.
So, 51% of the Americans are utterly stupid.
I don’t know. Is this poll representative of the entire voting-eligible population of America? Is it just NYT readers who responded? How do we know the poll results aren’t just made the fuck up? This is far from believable, let alone conclusive.
A mix of “I drink the Kool Aid and it’s good stuff” and “shit sucked before and continues to suck with no change” explains it. There’s also the small psychopath percentage who actually like the cruelty. It’s clarified when looking at the causes and better explains what’s happening than lump it all together as “stupid”.
Probably a bit more than that I’d say.
I mean, over 20 years ago we had a popular tv show called “are you smarter than a 6th grader”.
They’d bring on adults, ask them questions from 6th grade level tests, and see if the contestants could pass. It was a game show.
In an actual educated society, that sounds like the worst idea for a game show. It wouldn’t be challenging, and everyone would win.
Everyone did NOT win.
56% of them are partially illiterate or worse.
Got word from an American teacher just the other day. ‘Some of these [high school] kids don’t seem to know how to spell their own name.’
Another from an American adult, ‘I learned more from Ms. Frizzle than my teachers.’ Ms. Frizzle is the teacher from an educational cartoon.
Yeah, I had some teachers when I was in school that would just hand you a paper, hand you a book, and that was it.
I legitimately asked why we couldn’t just do this from home if he was just going to put on earphones and watch a portable tv.
I was told “because then we wouldn’t know if you’re cheating”.
I said “cheating how?” (The internet wasn’t a thing yet)
And he said “by looking up the information in another book”
So I said “First of all, what even is the difference between looking it up in a different book as opposed to look it up in this book? And secondly, if you think I’m too lazy to study with THIS book, what makes you think I’d study with a different book??? It’s the same process!”
And thats how I got detention.
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I’m reading 32% as “Actually I’m loving this fascism, it’s great” and the remaining 19% as “When you’re at the bottom of the well it’s hard to go lower”.
Neither seem stupid.
I am reminded about many of the black folks around here and their reaction to Trump being reelected: nothing. “It was bad before and it’s gonna continue being bad.” When I was in a workshop with BIPOC folks last year, they were like “white folks are catching onto the reality we’ve been living in for decades.”
Fascism does seem kinda stupid though.
When you’re under the bootheel, sure. But when it’s your bootheel it seems so much better… at least until it’s your turn on the other side.
“The man on the tv told me it’s better so it must be better”
A broken watch is right twice a day. I think by now it’s fair to say that much more than just 51% of Americans are utterly stupid.
That’s true of all humanity. Stop being a divisive shit. Fascism can (and is) rising elsewhere, so to even imply it’s a uniquely US problem is all of ignorant, wrong, and ignoring the basic tendencies of humans to seek easy answers.
Which you are clearly also succeptible to, BTW.
Trumpers are fucking stupid, and their propaganda is really effective
It is easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.
Only prideful cunts. Interesting how people just accept the premise that all of humanity is prideful beyond logical … though to be fair, that does seem to be the truth of the matter!
Fucking brainless, prideful, shitstain humans. We deserve to go extinct.
Based on a New York Times/Siena poll of 1,625 registered voters nationwide conducted Jan. 12 to 17.
While an overwhelming sample size isn’t necessary to extrapolate results, this is poll only represents 0.00001% of voters. One voice in a hundred thousand isn’t enough to make any claim.
Cool ignorance of statistics, brah. Larger populations don’t necessarily require larger samples. They can determine the margin of error from the survey design.
The margin of sampling error among registered voters is about plus or minus 2.8 percentage points. In theory, this means that the results should reflect the views of the overall population most of the time, though many other challenges create additional sources of error.
500 is plenty as long as its random enough.
It is, though, when the selection is functionally binary.
Better / Worse / No Opinion isn’t going to get you a ton of extra information with more responses.
You might be inclined to interrogate individual responses and ask how things have improved / worsened / remained unchanged. And, at that point, a surveying a guy who became a Bitcoin millionaire against a guy who simply enjoys watching his browner neighbors get The Purge treatment matters more. But from the perspective of the “Are things better?” question, the answer is the same.
I’m going to go on a limb and say old conservatives are more likely to respond to a phone survey than Gen Z leftists.
Sure, but you can control for that in your sampling.
I’m not concerned about getting more information, I’m interested in getting more accurate information.
I recognize there isn’t room for diverse answers when the question is ‘choose 1, 2, or 3’. My thought is that turning up in Boulder, Colorado and asking the first person you see if they like chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry ice cream then claiming everyone in the city likes vanilla is misrepresentative.
My thought is that turning up in Boulder, Colorado and asking the first person you see if they like chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry ice cream then claiming everyone in the city likes vanilla is misrepresentative.
You don’t ask the first person you see. You ask fifty or sixty people, get their demographic data, and then feed that into a big pot. Then you pull some of them back out again based on the statistical norms across the whole country.
The principle being that you’re not trying to get the “average” person in Colorado. You’re trying to get the “average” person nationally, with a random sample of Colorado residents feeding that model.
On one hand, I mostly agree. On the other, if the sample is correctly created (aka: both “really random” and “really representative”) then it should be enough. The additional problem is that polls are known to be poorly representative, because a lot of people just troll their way through them, giving bullshit answers that are undetectable and pollute the end results. Finally, truly random and truly representative and really hard to achieve, so that’s an additional source of errors.
11% of republicans think he’s doing a bad job. Does the article give a breakout of republicans- ie: are they mostly maga, are they moderates, is it a mixed bag.
Probably a decent portion of that is farmers getting screwed.
There are no more moderate Republicans
There are moderate Republicans. Not in the sense that they’re moderates but in the sense that they’re moderate (compared to MAGA) within the Republican coalition. They’re the Republicans who don’t like MAGA but they’re devout Republicans and will never vote Democrat. That’s probably the 11% who is unhappy with Trump.
If they vote for ‘R’ regardless who is behind the letter, they’re functionally MAGAts all the same.
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Who conducts these polls? How many people were polled? 100? 1000? I always see “Americans say this” or “People believe that”, but I certainly never voted on any poll, no one I know has. It always makes me feel like the polling base is going to be biased or carefully selected in some way to achieve the desired percentages.
Who conducts these polls? How many people were polled? 100? 1000?
You can answer all these questions yourself by reading the linked article.
Based on a New York Times/Siena poll of 1,625 registered voters nationwide conducted Jan. 12 to 17.
The full results are also linked in the article: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/22/polls/times-siena-national-poll-crosstabs.html
Interestingly (or not, given the NYT refusal to say anything too negative about Trump), the headline numbers may be the most favorable to Trump. Other figures:
Country is on the Right/Wrong Track: 37/56
2026 Congressional Race Dem/Rep: 48/43
Trump Approval Strong Approve/Disapprove: 25/47 (40/56 with “somewhat” answers)
Party of respondent Dem/Rep: 26/29And the 19% who think the country is the same as a year ago is bad news for Trump. Incumbents (or close proxies, in this case) don’t get voted out when things are going well. People were generally unhappy in late 2024; 19% are still unhappy, and 49% think (recognize) it’s even worse.
This one was the NY Times.
The only shred of hope I have in this is that a lot less people identify as Republican. I’m really afraid to learn that’s not the case, though.
My hope is that their sample skews boomer and is not representative, but then again people who actually show up to vote also skews boomer.
These results should highlight how strong our own bubble is. Personally, it seems the US is metaphorically on fire, but that’s just one point of view. Recognizing the existence of the other point and accepting that our world view is also influenced by propaganda would be the first step towards a less poisoned discussion.
Stuff it, there’s no both sides here, authoritarian fascism has taken over
Yeah. Lemmy is kind of crazy. For all we complain about Reddit being filled with clickbait and echo chambers, we kind of replicated it here.
Like, I feel I’m pretty extreme/progressive, yet I don’t feel like I’m in the same reality as /c/politics.
